Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Scribbler]

As far as the article, speaking from my long ago days as a journalist, if one side doesn’t want to speak to you it really limits what you can say. I think MB’s team probably have a clear plan of no comment until the trial. I expect they think no benefit will accrue to MB by participating in the media and social media speculation. And I expect they are right.

The quote from Girl Joey in the article does drive home that when “support” for one side starts to look craycray it can backfire.

As far as whether LK brought this on herself in some way, that’s actually irrelevant to the legal case.

The law says you can’t shoot a person unless you are in real fear of your life. It doesn’t matter what they are doing to you psychologically or emotionally. It’s against the law to shoot them.

[CanteringCarrot]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

But the thing is, that is normal to some people. Especially if there is a chance of a situation turning volatile. I’m not saying it’s right, but it must be acknowledged that some people believe this is completely normal. Something most of us cannot understand, and reasonably so.

Some people do not rely on the law if it has a) failed them in the past b) want immediate results c) are in fear of retaliation

Again, not normal, not something you or me may do, but just the thought process of someone else.

[Denali6298]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

It is not normal for anyone who carries to just shoot people. At least not normal people. That’s not limited to gang members or other criminals. One does not show up with a gun unless they actually think they will use it. It’s a foolish person to brandish such a weapon as a scare tactic.

I carry but not all the time. Depends on where I’m at. Really though, if one brings a gun to a conversation most people would interpret that as intending to fire.

Most gun classes will tell you not to own a gun unless you are willing to shoot it.

The only person I know who carries all the time is my step mom who is a cop in a bad city. Even then she will pull her badge before her gun if we are just out and about. I have only actually seen her shoot/hold a gun when we are target shooting. Out and about when someone harasses us or she runs into a family member of someone she arrested, she uses her words.

[RainWeasley]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

It is quite normal. My best friend owns a gun but doesn’t carry it on her, she had something happen to her the other day though that really scared her and she told me she really wished she had had it on her then.

Down here, it’s not uncommon to see people carrying handguns just daily. My ex boyfriend used to carry one all the time. The thinking is “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”. You not seeing it where you are doesn’t mean it isn’t normal.

Granted, probably not as normal up in NJ. And it does sound like the gun probably was “sent for”, if LK is to be believed. Whether it was premeditation or as a precaution, though, we don’t know. But regardless of whether you (general) agree with it or not, it is fairly normal to carry a gun for safety reasons. Not just hunting, gang related, or crime related.

And then of course you have the people down here that carry one all the time because it makes them feel cool (my ex). ::eyeroll::

[Denali6298]

@RainWeasley

It is quite normal. My best friend owns a gun but doesn’t carry it on her, she had something happen to her the other day though that really scared her and she told me she really wished she had had it on her then.

Down here, it’s not uncommon to see people carrying handguns just daily. My ex boyfriend used to carry one all the time. The thinking is “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”. You not seeing it where you are doesn’t mean it isn’t normal.

Granted, probably not as normal up in NJ. And it does sound like the gun probably was “sent for”, if LK is to be believed. Whether it was premeditation or as a precaution, though, we don’t know. But regardless of whether you (general) agree with it or not, it is fairly normal to carry a gun for safety reasons. Not just hunting, gang related, or crime related.

And then of course you have the people down here that carry one all the time because it makes them feel cool (my ex). ::eyeroll::

Your argument lost all its weight in your last paragraph. Just stop.

[Jealoushe]

@BigMama1

She wasn’t scared of George Morris! [lol]

Exactly…THAT is something to fear :lol:

[Jealoushe]

Let’s revisit his charges: https://www.insider.com/michael-bari…-charge-2019-8

Barisone, 54, has since been charged with two counts of first-degree attempted murder and two second-degree weapons possession charges.

He will have to also argue it was self defense to shoot TWO people, multiple rounds. And I am guessing he was doing something illegal with that gun to have the weapons charges.

It is really hard to argue self defense when there are multiple shots and victims.

I still think he will plead out. The 4 charges were laid with hopes they can nail him on 1-2 and throw the other 2 out in a plea. Just my personal speculation.

ETA the actual chargs are listed here:

Prosecutor’s announced in the statement that Barisone was charged with two counts of attempted murder and two counts of possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose. The charges, in total, carry a maximum prison time of more than 40 years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/08/08/former-us-olympian-arrested-after-shooting-equestrian-facility/1957852001/

[tryintogethere]

@Brown Derby

LK’s age, and a few sloppy adjectives, have been removed from the article without comment. Never thought I’d see the day when it became necessary to take screen shots of NYT articles.

I felt the article, as it currently stands, implied some sort of landlord dispute, but La-LaPopRider, on this thread, repeatedly denied ever being asked to leave.

Unrelated to the article: LK has posted photos of Jay-T now with her in NC. Jay-T is owned by MB. Just what is needed, more cray.

LK was repeatedly asked to leave, and not due to the house flooding as the article said. The house flooded during the winter while everyone was in FL.

Jay-T was MB’s horse. LK bought him, but was too lazy to change the paperwork.

[ohmyheck]

@x-halt-salute

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What’s clear is that projecting an “agenda” or “gleeful handrubbing while trashing the victim” onto all who question whether the story has been pieced together accurately, or whether LK’s actions set in motion the sequence of events that culminated in this tragedy, is jumping to the same kind of assumptions and character judgments that you’re complaining that others are doing w.r.t. LK’s public behavior. And on the other hand, if you don’t come here looking for that malice “woven into the dialogue” it’s simply not there outside of a small set of outlandish posts.

It’s getting kind of comical to see people who are following a thread devoted to the discussion of a tragic situation protesting the fact that people are discussing a tragic situation.

Well, your response to my post would work if I had indeed projected that description onto all. But as I most assuredly didn’t, in fact going to some lengths not to, I’m left with ?? as to how to answer. If nothing else I assumed my sum up of ’ it’s as present as any other angle on this thread…’ made that clear.

My opinion, being as valid as anybody else’s I assume and formed while reading along, is that there definitely exists a not small and insignificant element of flippant mental illness diagnoses (which I thought Coth didn’t allow by the way) and inflated hyperbole employed by some to ‘sorta’ excuse the shooting, regardless of the qualifier provided ad nauseum.

For those who aren’t part of that element I’m not talking about them am I? Hey I wouldn’t want this person or her crew anywhere near my orbit. But like I said earlier, this place resembles Coth’s very own house of mirrors at times.

And as I already stated I’m not commenting on that nasty angle either way, other than finding that when identified by others, the responding pretence that it doesn’t exist or only by a couple of outliers is disingenuous at best.

I also was pretty clear that I appreciate the thoughtful posts here discussing this tragic situation. Hence more ?? for your last sentence.

The good news is the thread seems to have cleaned up since it reopened and the NYT article was posted and is back to good old detective work style discussions so there’s that.

PS My bold in your post.

[eggbutt]

A few random observations:

1 - we only have Rob’s version of events

2 - we have no idea if Barisone actually had the gun with him or who actually had it for that matter.

3 - the judge didn’t allow Barisone to be released based on his mental state when he repeatedly said, “I had a good life”.

4 - speculation is CPS stopped at the house first to interview Barisone and were told he was at the barn. If that is true, LK and RG knew the rage he would be in after hearing the unfounded claims against him and MH. Were they waiting for him? (I believe they were waiting and instigated the attack first for what it’s worth.)

5 - MH, with the help of friends, moved all of her and MB’s horses, without exception, within days of the shooting.

6 - MB’s original lawyer was incompetent at best in my opinion.

7 - Considering the many threats against MB LK had posted on social media, I suspect he knew he was confronting danger when he went to the house.

8 - have you ever had CPS called on you, a friend or family member before with utterly false accusations? I have and the possibility of any children being immediately removed and placed in foster care is REAL. Thankfully, MH’s children were not there when CPS came for the interview. Can you imagine your rage if someone tried to take your children from you based on false allegations.

9 - I personally don’t know anyone who condones LK being shot under any circumstances. I do wonder what she expected the outcome to be with her constant harassment, threats, false accusations and refusal to leave the property. She knew the situation was escalating and gleefully posted so on FB.

10 - LK’s timeline of events does not add up in my opinion. How can you be on a porch reading, lured into bushes, be shot point blank several times, call 911 yourself, attack your attacker beating him with your phone, while your dog and bf were also attacking?

11 - why wire the entire barn with recording devices if you feared for your life? Why not leave? You’ve got plenty of money and friends, right?

So much does not compute in my mind. Was MB supposed to pack up, move his horses and business and abandon his farm and livelihood?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[TMares]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

I’ve had a weapon drawn on me on my family’s lake property. The jackass holding it was our (now deceased) neighbor. He did not recognize my vehicle in the driveway and came down in the dark to investigate. He approached me in the dark w/o a word while I was unloading my stuff. I was alone, and he scared the crap out of me when his voice and flashlight startled me and he started interrogating me about who I was and what I was doing there. I recognized his voice and finally convinced him through my answers that I was who I said I was. Only then did he get friendly…and tell me he had a gun on me. He tried to shake my hand, I told him you don’t get to trespass AND pull a weapon AND get a handshake. Go HOME, Bill, you are NOT supposed to be here (my Dad had previously expressly banned him from setting foot on the property. IOW, Dad said “You are not welcome on this property ever. Do not set foot on this property whether we’re here or not. I’ll shoot your ass if I catch you down here.”

Your normal isn’t everyone’s normal.

[Brown_Derby]

@tryintogethere

LK was repeatedly asked to leave, and not due to the house flooding as the article said. The house flooded during the winter while everyone was in FL.

Jay-T was MB’s horse. LK bought him, but was too lazy to change the paperwork.

Thank you. Good to see the horse well-cared for. I strongly suggest LK complete the transfer of ownership, like yesterday.

I found it curious that the author was eager to cite accusations and opinions from utter strangers on-line, but was negligent in questioning LK’s own posts regarding relocation, accurate or not. Instead readers got yet another version of that sorry old flood story.

[x-halt-salute]

@ohmyheck

Well, your response to my post would work if I had indeed projected that description onto all. But as I most assuredly didn’t, in fact going to some lengths not to, I’m left with ?? as to how to answer. If nothing else I assumed my sum up of ’ it’s as present as any other angle on this thread…’ made that clear.

My opinion, being as valid as anybody else’s I assume and formed while reading along, is that there definitely exists a not small and insignificant element of flippant mental illness diagnoses (which I thought Coth didn’t allow by the way) and inflated hyperbole employed by some to ‘sorta’ excuse the shooting, regardless of the qualifier provided ad nauseum.

For those who aren’t part of that element I’m not talking about them am I? Hey I wouldn’t want this person or her crew anywhere near my orbit. But like I said earlier, this place resembles Coth’s very own house of mirrors at times.

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Not sure why you responded to my post about unfounded generalizations about other posters’ motives to talk about sentiments “woven into the dialogue” if you weren’t trying to generalize, but knock yourself out explaining in detail what you were on about. Yawn. Your opinions are valid, of course, but man are they boring.

[Angela_Freda]

@BigMama1

Not buying it. Being physically attacked (let alone shot) is not a reasonable nor a predictable outcome of LK’s harassment. It just isn’t. That’s the difference between humans and the wild animals in your example. Humans have the knowledge, ability, and obligation to overcome those primal reactions.

Huh, but isn’t that exactly what LK suggested in her posts in Facebook, that she was being bullied, threatened by a 6’3" guy?
Didn’t she suggest in those posts she was fearful for her safety?
To me it’s her own words, which she posted on her Facebook that suggest she knew she’d pushed too far, that she predicted harm.
Yet she stayed, and called CPS.

[tryintogethere]

@Brown Derby

Thank you. Good to see the horse well-cared for. I strongly suggest LK complete the transfer of ownership, like yesterday.

I found it curious that the author was eager to cite accusations and opinions from utter strangers on-line, but was negligent in questioning LK’s own posts regarding relocation, accurate or not. Instead readers got yet another version of that sorry old flood story.

The horse would have been well cared for no matter who owned him. I cannot speak for the care he is currenly getting as I don’t know or care where LK’s horses are. The stories of the horses not being cared for was complete bs.

[Denali6298]

Well we can reasonably presume he didn’t wrestle the gun away do to the fact he was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. We can also reasonably presume that the gun was not his or that he didn’t comply with NJ state law to own said gun.

I say that assuming his first lawyer wasn’t a total schmuck and I am happy to read he has a much better one.

If one knows they are confronting danger a reasonable person would take other avenues other than carrying a gun. If one disagrees with that then one must also agree that either A) he’s not a reasonable person or B) he had full intention of discharging the weapon. Reasonable people do not own let alone carry a gun unless they are willing to shoot someone or something.

I feel like asking why with regards to LK’s actions is useless. She’s clearly off the charts wrt being a reasonable person.

Many, including you eggbutt because you quoted the post, agreed with the poster who said she deserved to get shot. So yes you are aware of someone who said that and you agreed with them. No you may not know them but we can split hairs if you wish.

[Angela_Freda]

@TMares

I’ve had a weapon drawn on me on my family’s lake property. The jackass holding it was our (now deceased) neighbor. He did not recognize my vehicle in the driveway and came down in the dark to investigate. He approached me in the dark w/o a word while I was unloading my stuff. I was alone, and he scared the crap out of me when his voice and flashlight startled me and he started interrogating me about who I was and what I was doing there. I recognized his voice and finally convinced him through my answers that I was who I said I was. Only then did he get friendly…and tell me he had a gun on me. He tried to shake my hand, I told him you don’t get to trespass AND pull a weapon AND get a handshake. Go HOME, Bill, you are NOT supposed to be here (my Dad had previously expressly banned him from setting foot on the property. IOW, Dad said “You are not welcome on this property ever. Do not set foot on this property whether we’re here or not. I’ll shoot your ass if I catch you down here.”

Your normal isn’t everyone’s normal.

Yup, something similar happened about 2 weeks ago, at a teammates home during a pasta party (they do these the night before a meet)
Neighbor heard voices, went onto the families property with a weapon… good times.

Nope, that’s not normal, or what I would do, but … some people… (shaking my head)

[SonnysMom]

@Brown Derby

LK’s age, and a few sloppy adjectives, have been removed from the article without comment. Never thought I’d see the day when it became necessary to take screen shots of NYT articles.

I felt the article, as it currently stands, implied some sort of landlord dispute, but La-LaPopRider, on this thread, repeatedly denied ever being asked to leave.

Unrelated to the article: LK has posted photos of Jay-T now with her in NC. Jay-T is owned by MB. Just what is needed, more cray.

Prior to the shooting I was told that things were really tense at the farm, that LK had been asked to vacate the farm and that MB was in the process of filing the eviction paperwork. I had seen the FB posts by LK so being told that things at the farm were uncomfortable was not a total surprise. Therefore I find her claims that she was not asked to leave not credible. And yes I had this discussion before the shooting.

Since then I have been told that the eviction paperwork were in fact filed. In some of the early articles on the shooting a neighbor mentions the eviction notice on the front door. That would appear to confirm that they were in fact filed and that they were asked to leave. Even if he never asked them to leave before the eviction paperwork was filed I consider having an eviction noticed posted on the door as being asked to leave.

Personally anything that comes out of the LK camp I would take with a Himalayan Salt block.

[trubandloki]

@Denali6298

It’s a foolish person to brandish such a weapon as a scare tactic.

This I 100% agree with. Do not brandish a weapon unless you plan to use it.

@Denali6298

One does not show up with a gun unless they actually think they will use it.

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

These two posts I do not agree with.
Lots of people carry guns all the time, or close to all the time. People you do not know are carrying a gun.
No plans to go hunting. No plans to join a gang or deal with gang members and certainly no plans to commit an armed robbery.
Having a gun does not mean you plan to use a gun.

You make it sound like if you have a gun on your person you are just waiting to pull it out and use it. Most people I know that conceal carry (legally) hope to never ever have to use that gun.

[Brown_Derby]

I hear ya, @SonnysMom. Just more confirmation of lazy, slanted reporting. (IMO!)