Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[TMares]

@BigMama1

And THIS is how people get shot.

You really think people don’t get that?

[RainWeasley]

@Denali6298

My apologies for misunderstanding but I still think your ex has no business carrying let alone owning a gun.

I actually completely agree with you there :lol::lol: if it makes you feel any better, pretty sure his wife doesn’t let him do it anymore!

[Denali6298]

@RainWeasley

I actually completely agree with you there :lol::lol: if it makes you feel any better, pretty sure his wife doesn’t let him do it anymore!

Oh thank god!!! :lol::lol: We don’t need Canadians thinking he’s the norm.

[trubandloki]

@Denali6298

I guess I didn’t understand why you were telling people you don’t know who carries. Conceal carry pretty much sums that up.

I am trying to figure out if you are being argumentative for the fun of it, or if you just read all my posts wrong. I am leaning towards argumentative, but I most certainly could be wrong.

You and several other posters (I quoted you and one other poster) said/implied that people don’t just carry a gun.

I was making a rebuttal to the point that people do not carry guns unless they are wanting to shoot something, the rebuttal being that you (general population of humans) do not know what people around you at any given time actually are carrying so assuming that everyone who carries is planning to rob a bank or is part of a gang is a very inaccurate thing. Lots of very normal people carry concealed so you do not know they have a gun and you do not hear about them having a gun because their gun was not news worthy.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Denali6298

@Jealoushe there is no room for science here. Stop that!

Yeah but, I do think that most of us would actually be interested in the science here. It would at least provide some clarity and end some of the speculation. I think that there is plenty of room for science here. It’s what most of us who are interested in the matter are waiting for.

[Unfforgettable]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

I carry on my own property. Why? Wolves. Two of my dogs were attacked less than 100 yards from my front door this summer. If I’m outside…and especially in the woods and/or at night, I always carry. Coyotes can also be problematic, but wolves are my main reason.

[Denali6298]

@trubandloki

I am trying to figure out if you are being argumentative for the fun of it, or if you just read all my posts wrong. I am leaning towards argumentative, but I most certainly could be wrong.

You and several other posters (I quoted you and one other poster) said/implied that people don’t just carry a gun.

I was making a rebuttal to the point that people do not carry guns unless they are wanting to shoot something, the rebuttal being that you (general population of humans) do not know what people around you at any given time actually are carrying so assuming that everyone who carries is planning to rob a bank or is part of a gang is a very inaccurate thing. Lots of very normal people carry concealed so you do not know they have a gun and you do not hear about them having a gun because their gun was not news worthy.

I read your post wrong. My apologies.

[BunnyHugger]

@Denali6298

Well we can reasonably presume he didn’t wrestle the gun away do to the fact he was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. We can also reasonably presume that the gun was not his or that he didn’t comply with NJ state law to own said gun.

I say that assuming his first lawyer wasn’t a total schmuck and I am happy to read he has a much better one.

If one knows they are confronting danger a reasonable person would take other avenues other than carrying a gun. If one disagrees with that then one must also agree that either A) he’s not a reasonable person or B) he had full intention of discharging the weapon. Reasonable people do not own let alone carry a gun unless they are willing to shoot someone or something.

I feel like asking why with regards to LK’s actions is useless. She’s clearly off the charts wrt being a reasonable person.

Many, including you eggbutt because you quoted the post, agreed with the poster who said she deserved to get shot. So yes you are aware of someone who said that and you agreed with them. No you may not know them but we can split hairs if you wish.

Ugh, that would be me. Believe me, I am very ashamed of having posted that and thankful it all got deleted.

BUT… I do want to clarify something. I don’t remember the wording, something about getting what she deserved obviously. When I wrote that, I wasn’t thinking bullets at all. I meant she deserved the fallout - the now-widespread, tarnished reputation, the difficulty she’ll have finding a self-respecting professional or facility willing to take her as a client, the people calling her out on her lying/bullying/stealing, HER victims finding the courage to press charges for HER crimes. I feel she needs to suffer consequences for her actions, but no - bullets were not what I intended to imply.

I DO remember I said she got herself shot and I understand the perspectives of those saying no - MB pulled the trigger. But, I guess I have to confess that I view it as “she made her bed” sort of situation.
That’s just how my brain works, I own it when I screw up and more often than not, apologize for things I’m not really at fault for (e.g. “I’m sorry, I didn’t explain that very well”, “I’m sorry, I should have told you not to …”, etc)
In all honesty, in her shoes, I would absolutely be stating that I got myself shot.

[Denali6298]

@CanteringCarrot

Yeah but, I do think that most of us would actually be interested in the science here. It would at least provide some clarity and end some of the speculation. I think that there is plenty of room for science here. It’s what most of us who are interested in the matter are waiting for.

I think a few here would. Most? No. They are getting their information from anonymous sources, social media, and the few news articles to create their own narrative.

Most here are disappointed in the latest article because it has little facts about the case and they can’t seem to differentiate between a news article about the case vs an article in the local section of a major newspaper about why a shooting victim is getting pummeled online when every other shooting in the country is seen as a victim regardless of lifestyle.

[trubandloki]

@Denali6298

I think a few here would. Most? No. They are getting their information from anonymous sources, social media, and the few news articles to create their own narrative.

Most here are disappointed in the latest article because it has little facts about the case and they can’t seem to differentiate between a news article about the case vs an article in the local section of a major newspaper about why a shooting victim is getting pummeled online when every other shooting in the country is seen as a victim regardless of lifestyle.

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who gets so upset about others and insists they prove anything they say to be a fact.

I would love to see the science.

I also find that article to be clearly not news, which would be fine if it was made clear it was not news but a fluff piece.

[Denali6298]

@BunnyHugger

Ugh, that would be me. Believe me, I am very ashamed of having posted that and thankful it all got deleted.

BUT… I do want to clarify something. I don’t remember the wording, something about getting what she deserved obviously. When I wrote that, I wasn’t thinking bullets at all. I meant she deserved the fallout - the now-widespread, tarnished reputation, the difficulty she’ll have finding a self-respecting professional or facility willing to take her as a client, the people calling her out on her lying/bullying/stealing, HER victims finding the courage to press charges for HER crimes. I feel she needs to suffer consequences for her actions, but no - bullets were not what I intended to imply.

I DO remember I said she got herself shot and I understand the perspectives of those saying no - MB pulled the trigger. But, I guess I have to confess that I view it as “she made her bed” sort of situation.
That’s just how my brain works, I own it when I screw up and more often than not, apologize for things I’m not really at fault for (e.g. “I’m sorry, I didn’t explain that very well”, “I’m sorry, I should have told you not to …”, etc)
In all honesty, in her shoes, I would absolutely be stating that I got myself shot.

All good. Look I firmly believe we die how we live. If we live a life full of violence or chaos then chances are we will die under the same circumstances. I just find it funny how in this one scenario people are willing to see that. Any other person that gets shot in this country (like police shootings) and people are straight up siding with the victim. The cop should have more self control blah blah blah. Here we have an instance where people are making her behavior an issue. Gang banger gets shot by a cop and it makes the news? Down with that police officer. The victims lifestyle never matters.

That is my issue with this. All of a sudden the victims behavior matters. That’s what the article was about. All of a sudden the victims behavior matters. Cop shoots a drug dealer and it makes national news because it was a simple traffic stop? That doesn’t happen. Because we see the mother on TV crying about how they “shot my son.” Never mind the son lived a life of violence and sold drugs.

[MHM]

@Brown Derby

LK’s age, and a few sloppy adjectives, have been removed from the article without comment. Never thought I’d see the day when it became necessary to take screen shots of NYT articles.

I felt the article, as it currently stands, implied some sort of landlord dispute, but La-LaPopRider, on this thread, repeatedly denied ever being asked to leave.

Unrelated to the article: LK has posted photos of Jay-T now with her in NC. Jay-T is owned by MB. Just what is needed, more cray.

I also noticed the Times article had been corrected, but the only mention I saw in an update was that they had clarified MB’s Olympic record. That was after that discrepancy was mentioned here on this thread. Are we influencing the New York Times?? :lol:

They seem to have just removed LK’s age rather than correcting it, at least last time I looked. I, too, had never dreamed of the need to screenshot that particular newspaper.

Also, has the owner of the gun ever actually been established? By, you know, any sort of reliable source?

[Denali6298]

@trubandloki

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who gets so upset about others and insists they prove anything they say to be a fact.

I would love to see the science.

I also find that article to be clearly not news, which would be fine if it was made clear it was not news but a fluff piece.

Sorry you put yourself in my ‘most’ category but honestly you didn’t come to mind when I wrote that. But keep thinking I’m a jerk. You have company there.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

I also find that article to be clearly not news, which would be fine if it was made clear it was not news but a fluff piece.

News or fluff, the factual statements in it (MB’s Olympic record, LK’s age) should still be correct. Especially in the Times.

[SonnysMom]

@Denali6298

All good. Look I firmly believe we die how we live. If we live a life full of violence or chaos then chances are we will die under the same circumstances. I just find it funny how in this one scenario people are willing to see that. Any other person that gets shot in this country (like police shootings) and people are straight up siding with the victim. The cop should have more self control blah blah blah. Here we have an instance where people are making her behavior an issue. Gang banger gets shot by a cop and it makes the news? Down with that police officer. The victims lifestyle never matters.

That is my issue with this. All of a sudden the victims behavior matters. That’s what the article was about. All of a sudden the victims behavior matters. Cop shoots a drug dealer and it makes national news because it was a simple traffic stop? That doesn’t happen. Because we see the mother on TV crying about how they “shot my son.” Never mind the son lived a life of violence and sold drugs.

Victim blaming happens all the time. More often with sexual assault or sexual harassment of women. Well she shouldn’t have been drinking, look at what she was wearing, she shouldn’t have gone to his house, she should have closed her knees, she shouldn’t have been out at that time of night.
On many of the shootings they still blame the victim. He should have obeyed the cop, he should have just shut up and not argued with the cop, he should have kept his hands on the wheel and not reached for his wallet. He shouldn’t have been playing with that toy gun in public,

For a long time the cops were 100% believed. Even when they shouldn’t have been and were making decisions to arrest or harass somebody because of their race, shaking down a gang member for money or drugs, falsifying reports or obtaining false confessions. For a long time people would believe a cop just because he was the cop. And yes I am showing my white priviledge here. I know that blindly believing a cop has not been the norm for POC.

I think what you are seeing lately is a backlash on victim blaming in general. MeToo movement is part of that. Questioning police shooting is another part of that.

I think the difference in this case is from the moment of the shooting there were the reports about the multiple police calls to the property, there was LKs own social media posts that to some came off as unhinged. I think she presented herself in a way that made people uncomfortable and therefore it was hard for people to feel sympathy for her. There were quickly reports that she had a habit of harassment. Much of this played out on social media rather than in on the news. I think that provides a different dynamic. For many shooting victims especially those that die you have sympathy even if it is only for the grieving mother left behind.

[catzndogz22]

@x-halt-salute

And although the NYT seems to think that folks on this forum largely aren’t rallying around LK because we’re all MB fangirls, in reality I don’t think the range of sentiments here is all that different from what you’d find in a general population in reaction to what has been said publicly about the whole situation.

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I read the comments to the NYT article and yes, the sentiments of those people reading about the story for the first time very much reflected the range of sentiments here. Some point out that she clearly provoked him past his breaking point and then others chime in that it’s victim-blaming. Similarly, of those that think she provoked him, almost all agree that he shouldn’t have shot her.

[Denali6298]

@SonnysMom

Victim blaming happens all the time. More often with sexual assault or sexual harassment of women. Well she shouldn’t have been drinking, look at what she was wearing, she shouldn’t have gone to his house, she should have closed her knees, she shouldn’t have been out at that time of night.
On many of the shootings they still blame the victim. He should have obeyed the cop, he should have just shut up and not argued with the cop, he should have kept his hands on the wheel and not reached for his wallet. He shouldn’t have been playing with that toy gun in public,

For a long time the cops were 100% believed. Even when they shouldn’t have been and were making decisions to arrest or harass somebody because of their race, shaking down a gang member for money or drugs, falsifying reports or obtaining false confessions. For a long time people would believe a cop just because he was the cop. And yes I am showing my white priviledge here. I know that blindly believing a cop has not been the norm for POC.

I think what you are seeing lately is a backlash on victim blaming in general. MeToo movement is part of that. Questioning police shooting is another part of that.

I think the difference in this case is from the moment of the shooting there were the reports about the multiple police calls to the property, there was LKs own social media posts that to some came off as unhinged. I think she presented herself in a way that made people uncomfortable and therefore it was hard for people to feel sympathy for her. There were quickly reports that she had a habit of harassment. Much of this played out on social media rather than in on the news. I think that provides a different dynamic. For many shooting victims especially those that die you have sympathy even if it is only for the grieving mother left behind.

My entire point is, if your going to consider someone’s actions when a crime has been committed against them do the same for everyone. Don’t be a hypocrite about it.

[SonnysMom]

@Denali6298

My entire point is, if your going to consider someone’s actions when a crime has been committed against them do the same for everyone. Don’t be a hypocrite about it.

I am reminded why I rarely respond to your posts. You can’t have a conversation. You just bludgeon people until they give up.

[eggbutt]

@SonnysMom

I am reminded why I rarely respond to your posts. You can’t have a conversation. You just bludgeon people until they give up.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::encouragement:

[Denali6298]

@SonnysMom

I am reminded why I rarely respond to your posts. You can’t have a conversation. You just bludgeon people until they give up.

What do you want me to converse about? You explained everything I know. It seemed you missed my point. I made a statement about how I felt. That statement was not inviting nor was it discouraging conversation. It was just a statement that reflected my opinion that was intended to be limited to shooting victims.

In the future I will be more clear to explicitly put my comments into context. Clearly reading between the lines is not something we do anymore on CoTH.