Except it may be.
We know she was shot “in the chest”, we know MB is in jail accused of having done so, awaiting trial to prove the reality of the situation.
I mean, if her being shot was as cut and dried, un-nuanced or black/white, then shooting someone would always result in charges, and serving time in jail, right? But it doesn’t. The circumstances of the altercation do matter.
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It wasn’t meant in a condescending way, but I get that tone can be hard to read. It was me responding to yet another suggestion that people who think LK is a genuinely awful person or who speculate about MB’s actions (e.g., self defense) are pro-MB. Why is there a need to go on ad nauseam for any points here, including your own? It’s just a discussion.
FWIW, I’m not pro-MB. Sounds like the guy had a lot of issues even before this. He’s going to go to prison and that’s sad for all that he lost, but you just can’t shoot people. That’s all on him.
I don’t know about cut and dried, but I don’t think it is as complicated and mysterious as some do.
My thinking is this. He is in jail without bond and he has been in jail for around 76 days. We’re told he has a new, excellent attorney. Yet, he isn’t getting him out on bond. The other thing is that the property is now up for sale. That says to me that the LLC (whomever is in charge of it) doesn’t think he is getting out any time soon. Therefore, I believe that whatever evidence the prosecution believes is more in line with the LK statements (even if they vary) than some of these self defense scenarios some of you guys have thought up. I wonder what everyone would think if they didn’t know anything about LK except for the interaction with MB during the month prior to the shooting. This is all a jury will know, assuming it comes to a trial.
Umm I feel like she said that cuz y’all are on here painting LK like anyone here could be victimized by her. So yeah. If she’s that bad lay low. If she’s not, rethink your posts that say as much.
If it were cut and dry, the arraignment would have already taken place, not pushing the 90 day limit. That fact alone shows that there are many questions that have not been answered, despite what certain people on CoTH seem to think.
I am unclear as to why you are defending a BNT when you have no skin in the game? I personally didn’t know about him until his reserve spot in the Olympics despite working and riding for BNTs in the North East. So I’m curious why you insist upon defending this person. I think it speaks volumes that who I rode and worked for didn’t really mention him.
Why are you defending a [her] if YOU have no skin in the game?
I was under the impression that in NJ, Bond isnt a thing.
Selling property suggests he needs $for a defense, or they would never want to be back there after this anyway.
I’m not defending anyone. Takes two to tango. And I’ve never denied that she’s not all there. Why didn’t YOU let your friends know taking her on was a bad idea?
And I wasn’t asking you.
Lol… sure.
Maybe it says more about the people you refer to as BNTs?
Or your listening skills, maybe they did mention him and you missed it?
Maybe your days in the big time were before his rise to the UL? Because wether you heard of him or not, it’s a fact he has had some success. Check with USDF/Centerline if you don’t think so.
By the way, I’m not defending him. I’m suggesting alternative circumstances that could have as easily led to this injury, regardless of who either party was.
The real question is why some seem to think discussing this, on a Dressage forum, means its an indication of being his fan… if it was Joe Instructor, and Jill Training-Client the discussion of the potential sequence if events would still be interesting to most of us.
So you constantly play devils advocate. Got it. And no didn’t miss it. Just speaks to the quality of the programs that never involved drama.
Let’s just be clear. Most people with legal knowledge don’t think he’s getting out without some jail time. MB doesn’t think so himself as of the moment he did it, given his statement at the time.
That said, we can still think LK is mentally unstable and provoked the attack. Of course she did. Was his action just and fair? Of course not. Was it the act of a sociopath? I don’t think so.
Emotions run high in the circumstances, and things get “out of hand.” that is NORMAL. EXPECTED. But not FORGIVEN BY THE LAW.
I have always thought Descartes was wrong. People are fundamentally irrational, not rational.
I wish that I could have let them know what she was like. The hope now is that others will see her for what she is and not take her on!
There was no way for anyone to know things would have blown up like they did, LK’s level of crazy amped up beyond anything she had done in the past.
Interesting that you say it takes two to tango, would you say that to a woman that was being harrassed? I would say no!!
But I did ask you!
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You can’t write a post without a swipe can you?
Lots of no drama barns in the North East heard of MB.
Why didn’t you? You seem to be close to those involved. I’m not trying to be an ass with that question. I’m just saying the horse world is small and for so many people in NC to know she’s bat shit, plus MH is from NC, how the heck/ why the heck did MB not know and/or still take her as a client?
Yes I would say that about a woman too. I’ve been that woman and I got the hell away. It’s not easy. It sucks. My safety is priority number one.
No swipe. The BNTs I worked for had no drama. In fact they were the best people I ever worked for. The BNTs I rode with that helped me and my draftx were amazing and no drama as well. They cared about helping me make my horse the best horse she could be. Didn’t matter she wouldn’t get beyond training level. Of all the clinics and shows I attended, sorry not one of them dragged me to see MB teach or ride. I’m sure they knew of him. They just didn’t care enough about about him to think he would help my education to make me take a clinic with him or watch him, which happened with many others while I was a W/S
Cant help you because you go all fan girl over BNR/BNTs
There it is, the unnecessary swipe.
I’ve met many, many BNTs in my day, fan of many, fan girl… no. But nice try.
But what the heck does drama have to do with it?
You’re suggesting only those known to follow drama would know of this rider, why? Because he must also be a drama llama? That his entire career must be chock full of drama?
And now you switched it from heard of him to dragged you to see him teach or ride. No one dragged me to see him0, or anyone, either, but when you’re at the big shows, you see the up and coming riders. 
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Balderdash. I know MANY normal people who carry as often as possible within the law. These “normal people” are attorneys, physicians, dentists, chiropractors, nurses, veterinarians, pharmacists, engineers of all sorts, insurance agents, real estate agents, bankers, stock traders, securities representatives, staffers and managers and executives in corporate America, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, restaurant and bar workers, chefs, professional pilots, truckers, delivery drivers, etc., etc. We see them regularly at shooting ranges and matches. (Most people have no idea they are eating in a restaurant or shopping in a store with an armed citizen–and hopefully will never find out.)
These folks have no intention of using their firearm. In fact, they hope and pray they will never have to use it (except for target practice). But they are WILLING to use it if necessary to defend themselves and others if faced with the prospect of “grave bodily harm” (a key consideration when deciding whether to shoot).
But yes, people should not carry a firearm unless they are WILLING to use it, and they should be adequately trained to know how to SAFELY carry and under what circumstances they can LEGALLY shoot.
If I had known her prior to her arriving at MB’s I certainly would have warned everyone!!!
As stated earlier, her level of crazy blew up more than it ever had before. No one could have predicted that LK would do the things that she did, they are not things that a sane, reasonable and rational person would ever do!
The people I worked for, man I couldn’t imagine them in this sort or drama. In fact when drama kicked up at a barn I was working for because the BO went crazy, two BNTs left because I left. That’s how I know.
All I know is my employers would take me to watch people warm up while I had down time at shows. They’d ask my opinion about horses they had in training to teach me. I literally had no clue who MB was until he went reserve. Not gonna lie that makes me reflect back on who my employers and trainers wanted me to watch.
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