Interesting observation that just occurred to me based on the latest posts…with the exception of LK’s only husband (divorced in 2007), ALL of her victims that I am aware of are females. A psychiatrist would have a field day with her for a year or two.
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Hmmm… Interesting.
She was married more than once?
My apologies. I try to sit on my hands. Clearly I fail.
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No…I said first and should have said only. Thank you…I will edit it.
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I don’t know him personally at all, but many people I know and respect, know and respect him, and consider him a friend. They are all heartbroken that he made such tragic choices and effectively ruined his life and career, but of course none of them condone his actions. Though they were all shocked, they each have mentioned to me various issues including extreme arrogance, anger issues, mental health issues and alcohol issues. It’s possible to like and admire the man while acknowledging he is not perfect.
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Maybe that’s why the people I worked with ( all females) didn’t introduce me, a young 20 something? Who knows?
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@Anglea Freda I still what to know why you are playing devils advocate to defend this BNT?
You never went to these lengths in the CE forums when cops shot someone
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Maybe because she is older than you, has had more life experience than you, and understands there are three sides to every story!
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Is there a headdesk emoji? Anyone? Stick art maybe?
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Just to be clear, suggesting there are many narratives that could lead to the place these characters find themselves is not defending anyone, doesn’t indicate I’m a fan, … and has nothing to do with admiring anyone.
Again, if their names were Joe Trainer and Jill Client, the possibilities would still be myriad and interesting to mull over.
In fact, the only reason to mention that MB is a BNT is to tie it’s relevance to this forum, imo.
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Most very successful men have huge egos that come across as arrogance. I’ve never heard of mental health issues or alcohol issues. He is sarcastic and has a wicked sense of humor that people want to be around. He has charisma. He has talent. But he is NOT PERFECT and I don’t know anyone who has said he is.
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Or maybe that excellent attorney will cost a lot of money and the property needs to be sold to pay for it.
It sounds like NJ is picky about letting people out of jail for major crimes. His defense team may not have felt like it was worth it to go in public and do a limited defense if by and large they won’t win anyway. The prosecutors have 90 days to file. I am sure they are overworked and some horse person that shot somebody but didn’t actually kill them in a very limited personal altercation may not be their highest priority. The gangbanger or drug dealer, or multiple DUI person may have priority. They may as well take all the time they have.
As far as the jury I would bet some of the LK statements and actions prior to the shooting may be admissible as a rebuttal to what she was doing when she was shot- lured into the bushes, reading a book on the porch etc… Even if those details don’t get him acquitted it may reduce his sentence.
I don’t think this is cut and dried at all unless it is all on video and even then the lead up to the actual incidence may play into the sentencing phase.
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willing
[ˈwiliNG]
ADJECTIVE [LIST=1]
And from legal dictionary [h=2]Intent[/h]
A determination to perform a particular act or to act in a particular manner for a specific reason; an aim or design; a resolution to use a certain means to reach an end.
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This. Exactly this.
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Ooohhh… I am impressed your trainer couldn’t get you past virtually the lowest level- training level. (sarcasm font). No I don’t count intro unless it is for little tiny children or REALLY green equines.
Truth be told I likely won’t get past 1st level. I had an arab x and now have an OTTB and am more of an all around rider than a dressage rider. I don’t have the drive or dedication to show and advance up the dressage levels. I want to have some good safe fun doing a lot of different things- foxhunting, horse camping, trail riding, hunters, LL dressage, LL eventing, heck team penning would be fun.
Maybe your W/S employer was looking out for your best financial interest. MB isn’t cheap. There is no reason for most low level (me included) dressage/event riders to ride with a pretty expensive dressage clinician. It is frequently is our best interest to take 2 or 3 private lessons with a good local trainer rather than one expensive one off clinic/lesson with a really BNT.
I find your term “dragged” comment interesting in this conversation.
My trainer is amazing and has no drama either. She is not “dragging” me to clinics where I am not at the point in my riding that I will obtain enough bang for my buck. She isn’t "dragging’ my horse to those clinics with her riding either. She truly has my best interest at heart including my financial interest. That means she takes my goals, my riding ability and my horses’s ability into consideration when making suggestions on clinics, lessons with other trainers and competitions. She is not going to recommend someone that she thinks will not benefit me and my horse. She may decide to take a clinic with that person on another horse and may learn tons from it but that does not mean I am ready to absorb enough information for that person to make it worth my while. She has taken a lesson with my horse with a local BNT to help me help my horse. So she is not unwilling to to take clinic/lessons to help me out.
I hope that the BNT you rode with made those same decisions even if they did not articulate them to you. I also don’t get the feeling MB did a huge amount of clinics so maybe ones did not come up that were that local to you and your BNT trainer and fit into your trainer’s schedule. He did train somebody that got a bronze medal so he wasn’t just a flash in the pan.
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This is just a side note of a memory. I clearly remember MB riding the magnificent Safir at the CDI*** in Raleigh in 2003 (Lord, was it that long ago???) when he won the infamous tiara. He had the crowd on their feet with joy, happiness, and enthusiasm while watching excellent riding of an amazing horse.
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I’m a nobody and this is neither here nor there, but… I don’t know how I knew of MB, but I was familiar with his name. I remember quite a few years ago watching him at Devon and (I tend to have a negative impression of competition dressage trainers, which is a conversation that doesn’t belong here) I couldn’t take my eyes off his soft, elastic elbows. Is that goofy or what, lol? Seriously, at the time I was struggling with quiet hands and he just fascinated me. That’s the only exposure I’ve had to MB so no hero worship. Just appreciation of good hands.
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But you don’t know that is what happened. How do you know he wasn’t carrying for days, weeks, months prior to the altercation with LK? Did he happen to be carrying it because of a perceived recent threat and happened to have it on him when he ran into LK on the way out of the farm? We don’t know!!!****%%%%% You don’t know, I don’t know.
Some of you make it sound like you know that CPS left, MD went to the gun safe, grabbed the gun, drove down the driveway with the SOLE intent of confronting LK or worse yet shooting LK to kill her. There are a LOT of nuances to the situations that we may not know until a trial or may never know if there is a plea bargain.
Some people just see everything as black and white and only based on their personal experiences. They can’t seem to envision that other people had other life experiences and do not perceive and process things the exact same way they do. We all need to think outside our own personal experiences and backround to realize unless we have actually lived through all of that person’s experiences we cannot predict how they will react. Life is NOT black and white. We ALL carry baggage that changes how we view the exact same situation and how we react to that situation. Some of us are passive aggressive, some defensive, some aggressive all to the same exact stimuli. That is what makes us unique human beings.
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I was thinking about whether I could imagine a situation getting this out of hand with any of the barn crazies I’ve encountered over the years. I saw some crazy sh*t in the horse world before I moved into dressage and developed more discerning taste in barns (the dressage world definitely doesn’t corner the market for crazy!). It’s kind of a darkly humorous exercise to reflect on some of truly unwell people I’ve met through equestrian activities – the actual kleptomaniac, the insurance fraud arsonist barn owner, the probably schizophrenic lady who invented a false training resume and referred to herself with a bogus honorific title, the ostensible alien abductee who peddled get-rich-quick schemes, a few serious substance abusers, a couple eccentrics with tendencies toward disheveled dress and mumbled monologues, a pot-stirring barn manager who liked to pit boarders against one another and watch them squabble, plenty of garden variety gossips and jerks.
But I can’t imagine any of the general nutjobs or even the instigators I’ve encountered rising to the level of macchiavellian/psychopathic harassment campaigns or sparking gun violence. I doubt this level of dysfunction is lurking that near to most equestrians.
That reflection reminded me, though, that I had heard of one other attempted murder in the horse world before the Barisone case hit the news. It appeared to involve a dispute over barn names … on top of a bunch of family strife and possibly some mental issues. What that case suggests to me is that hiring a hit can be remarkably inexpensive, but the clear intent involved in doing so doesn’t make an attempted murder conviction a foregone conclusion. Same with invading someone’s home while they’re sleeping and beating them in the head dozens of times with a fireplace poker – the intent seems fairly clear with forty-odd blows ticking away the time you have to think about the murder you’ve been hired to commit, but still might not guarantee you’ll go away for attempted murder.
If the prosecutors were willing to plead that one out on lesser charges (even with confessions of hiring the hit and commencing the attack on record … and all that forensic evidence that supposedly creates ironclad cases) I’m even less convinced that the Barisone case a) is the open-and-shut attempted murder case Nancy Grace seems to think it is from a purely legal standpoint, and b) will have either side itching for a trial, rather than trying to work out a plea to lesser charges.
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