Again, the reason has nothing to do with me.
It has to do with other people I’ve thoughtlessly pulled into this discussion who deserve better.
I’ll simply politely ask again. Since I’ve rehomed the horse and he safe and sound, this should not be a problem.
Since I’m old and my beloved husband will no longer permit the purchase or even the obtainment of another horse, ever, you don’t have to worry about me.
I’m glad to know the horse is safe, and also that the OP can admit she was wrong in using the forum in the way she did. Let’s hope there were good lessons learned and that Brownie thrives in his new environment.
[QUOTE=bathsheba8542;6299209]
I’m glad to know the horse is safe, and also that the OP can admit she was wrong in using the forum in the way she did. Let’s hope there were good lessons learned and that Brownie thrives in his new environment.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6299155]
On every level. This should have remained a private matter and I am sorry that I upset any one of you or disparaged anyone’s character. I love horses and hunting and did not begin this to sling mud at any of it.
Brownie is a sweet old guy that deserves an easy life, safely carrying hilltoppers in the hunt field. He will be valued highly and given the care fitting such a loyal horse. He truly, could not, be “in a better place” than he is.
Please allow this thread to quietly disapear so that no one else becomes drawn into it unneccessarily.[/QUOTE]
Sweet old guy…you mean the SOB? Didn’t mean to sling mud? You are just sorry you allowed your true colors to be seen. Ugly colors, those.
Quoted in case you decide to rewrite history.
You’re an embarrassment. You make me ashamed for our sport.
To publicly trash another hunt, then gloat about screwing with them, is absolutely appalling.
You’ve earned yourself quite the reputation. People aren’t going to forget.
Glad the horse is ok. I bet he will be a great addition to the club. Have a great season with Brownie!
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6298823]
And he was not in a dirt lot. I had an email from someone with the hunt who stated that they "didn’t think the chewing was a problem and we had grass so they did not think he’d continue.
They explained away a bad saddle gal as his “rider sat heavy and didn’t believe in a pad”
He is at the hunt kennels. I’m sure he’ll be fine.
I’m pissed, the horse was misrepresented. I gave him more than a week and he did extensive damage.
He’s also, according to my vet, likely at least a couple of years older than his brand new Coggins says he is.
Do I think he should be hound food just because he chews fences? No, or I would not have GIVEN a horse I just PAID for away.
Did I get pissed because once I said that the horse had a serious, destructive problem I got blown off?
You bet I did.
I gave him a chance to be somewhere else.He is at the hunt kennel barn, they have three strands of hot wire. If the people that had sold him to me cared about him at all, a beloved staff horse with decades of service, they would have come and gotten him back.
Anyone who knows me well knows that the level of destruction, regardless of the reason, and this horse did not seem the least bit mopey, would know that it had to be severe for me to send him on.
I’ve been around horses, including race horses for decades. I’ve never seen one that was so depressed that instead of munching on ankle deep grass and clover decided to not only chew, but break off, chew up and SWALLOW wood to the extent this horse did.
This habit did not just start all of a sudden people.
I’m pissed because I was lied to. I got a horse that is not what I was told, with an old injury and a bad habit. I spent money my husband and I work everyday for. Are my horses suposed to be perfect? Nope, but they aren’t supposed to be hell bent on destruction.
If I chose to send a horse on , “to a better place” meaning he’ll now be a guest horse, it’s my business.
If I choose to screw with his former connections the way they screwed with me to finally get a reaction, that’s my business to.
I’m good to my horses, all of them. I’ve spent thousands of dollars on a $50 pony to give him a good end of life.
My problem with this situation was that from the beginning I was buying "the worlds best, vice free horse. Who got off the trailer, older, shorter and with an injury that would prevent his wearing a saddle for at least a month or so that they never mentioned, though they knew he had it and knew why.
Maybe this post will make people who live “far enough away to sell a bad horse” who have no morals, think about selling a horse truthfully the next time.
Or you all can just think I’m wrong. Either way.[/QUOTE]
J Swan
My MFH feels exactly as you do and told me so. That prompted my public apology.
I don’t ask you to except it or pardon my behavior.
I do ask that you allow this to retire as others may still be affected by it.
I have always respected your opinions and your wisdom.
Please exercise that wisdom now.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6299282]
My MFH feels exactly as you do and told me so. That prompted my public apology.
I don’t ask you to except it or pardon my behavior.
I do ask that you allow this to retire as others may still be affected by it.
I have always respected your opinions and your wisdom.
Please exercise that wisdom now.[/QUOTE]
In other words, your apology is insincere and was forced by the MFH. Karma baby, karma.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6299155]
Brownie is a sweet old guy that deserves an easy life, safely carrying hilltoppers in the hunt field. He will be valued highly and given the care fitting such a loyal horse. .[/QUOTE]
let this thread quietly go! sure when you explain why brownie was going to be made into hound food??? appalling!
You kept me up half the night worrying about this horse. I was ready to raid my savings account to pay for transport and whatever price the new owner wanted to charge. I was ready to drive down there and get him if needed.
I don’t jump on “save the horsie” bandwagons. I’m not sentimental. And yet… I was looking at my bank statement and calculating gas costs.
It’s a tragedy when a hunt folds. There are few to no jobs for staff. Often staff horses are sold off. The club has to find homes or new club for hounds. Our community grows smaller. It is a death and we should all mourn.
A good field hunter is worth his weight in gold. They are wonderful, wonderful horses and I’m sorry you don’t appreciate them, or this horse, the way they deserve.
There were a lot of people on this BB, and many more lurking, who were very distressed and worried about this horse.
I appreciate, and understand, that we are all fallible human beings and can say things that we don’t really mean. Or vent or get irritated, and post things we shouldn’t, or perhaps could phrase things a better way. I’m guilty of it as much as anyone.
But this incident actually affected and impacted many people directly, and in a deeply personal way.
Your Master is a class act. Truly. And I wish your club success and a wonderful season.
You can’t dam the river of contempt, ma’am.
You don’t have that authority, any more than you have the power in your own life to tell your beloved husband to take a flying leap when it comes to horses you own, acquire, or otherwise take possession of. I have a feeling you wanted to keep the horse, but your owner I mean your husband dictated- literally dictated- otherwise.
I can’t believe I am going to say this but your life on Summer Hill Farm sounds like the seventh layer of Hell. I actually feel a little bit sorry for you. You can’t lash out at the beloved bankroll, so you lashed out at Brownie. Eegads what a bad deal.
So rare to find a dramatic trainwreck in the Hunting Forum. :eek:
But that’s what I like about hunting. The authority of the MFH still holds a heck of a lot of weight when exerting appropriate social pressure to behave properly.
Not that it can do a thing for sincerity…
[QUOTE=katarine;6299328]
…any more than you have the power in your own life to tell your beloved husband to take a flying leap when it comes to horses you own, acquire, or otherwise take possession of. I have a feeling you wanted to keep the horse, but your owner I mean your husband dictated- literally dictated- otherwise. [/QUOTE]
Ditto this, and if that’s the case, I could also feel some empathy for the OP’s reaction.
2ndyrgal,
It is too late to think that this appalling dangerous behavior of yours will be swept under the rug. CotH goes around the world.
That your Master had to pressure you into writing such an unapologetic, form only, apology is even worse. There is no point in an apology of this sort. You just don’t understand or care about integrity.
Actually, Katarine, I have a feeling that the “husband won’t let me buy another horse” is a lame attempt to garner sympathy. I think the OP is very, very, very fond of her possessions and their pristine condition and her money. From a previous post:
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;5356589]
I’ll be more specific about my very brief encounter with Mr. Morris.
I was a patron in the hospitality tent at the WEG for almost two weeks. The tickets were quite dear and my sister and I were having a wonderful time. As the competition hadn’t yet started and it was prior to lunch, it was very quiet and not very crowded. I don’t walk about dripping in jewels and furs, it was cold that day and I was appropriately dressed.
About 5 minutes prior Mr. Lyons, (Altech) made eye contact with me, smiled and took a couple of minutes of his time to ask me if I was enjoying myself, were the games everything I’d hoped for so far and to thank me for supporting it. My support of the WEG (though we did host a driving team at our farm) was FAR less than his and he took his time to be polite and gracious and I appreciated it.
Minutes after that as I was on my way back to one of the little shops in the hospitality tent, I noticed Mr. Morris sitting in a chair, facing the aisle, alone. Not speaking to anyone. Not next to anyone, not talking on his phone. As I came nearer and noticed that it was Mr. Morris and he had turned his head, I simply said “excuse me, Mr. Morris”. I had simply intended to wish him good luck. He said nothing, instead simply gave me a be-gone with you dismissive wave of his hand, and I quickly turned away and went on about my business.
For all he knew, I could have had a fat checkbook and been in the mood to write one.
My point was, it is easy and accepted for someone to say "I’m sorry, I’m waiting for someone, not now, or at least do any of the accepted little gestures that indicate that you’d prefer not to be disturbed, without being rude to someone. That he chose not to do that spoke more to me about the man’s character than any of his other accomplishments.
Often people, rightly or wrongly, are judged by one seemingly insignificant act, or a bad decision and are then linked much more closely with that one little blot than anything, or legions of good things they’ve done in the past. Happens all the time to sports figures, politicians, etc.[/QUOTE]
and
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;5356830]I also voluteered, because it is something I believe in.
And for the record, showjumping had not happened yet.
And like it or not, he isn’t a just “private” riding instructor, he’s the coach of the everloving USA Equestrian TEAM! If he hasn’t, at the age he is, and the level he’s achieved, perceptive enough to realize he may just be insulting a person that is in, or could be in, a position to influence donations for the team (which he solicits via my mailbox on a regular basis) then he has no right to call anyone else that he perceives to have a lack of cognitive abilities a dumbell.
My suspension of donations has less to do with Mr. Morris himself than a lack of a response to a very respectfully worded letter to the USET Foundation. Had they at least acknowledged (noticed I have never said I required an apology) my communication, I would still be happily writing checks in exchange for whatever little merchandise perk they’re sending out this year.[/QUOTE]
Didn’t get the proper apology due a horsewoman of your stature OP? Or is it a woman with your checkbook balance?
[QUOTE=JSwan;6299319]
There were a lot of people on this BB, and many more lurking, who were very distressed and worried about this horse.
I appreciate, and understand, that we are all fallible human beings and can say things that we don’t really mean. Or vent or get irritated, and post things we shouldn’t, or perhaps could phrase things a better way. I’m guilty of it as much as anyone.
But this incident actually affected and impacted many people directly, and in a deeply personal way. [/QUOTE]
I agree with JSwan on this 100 percent.
I’ve made both an apology and a request.
Please feel free to PM me with any further vitreol you feel is necessary. I asked that this thread be closed to avoid any further distress, embarrassment or most importantly public scrutiny by those who do not hunt and who disagree with fox hunting. I had not considered those consequences in the midst of my anger.
If this thread stays alive and brings any more shame and embarrassment to the hunting community than I’ve already managed to do, it won’t be because I respond any longer.
When a person I respect highly points out the unitended consequences of my actions, I did what I felt was right, not out of fear or intimidation or because a request was made, but because someone wiser than I, who knows me well, pointed out something that I had failed, unwisely, to consider before whining about a horse deal.
Anyone who wants to PM feel free.
Consider this matter publicly closed for the benefit of others.
I feel for you OP…
I would only ask that you re-read all of your posts and not only on this thread.
You have a bad-ass, disrespectful tone for horses that doesn’t take a professional to analyze. You clearly don’t respect this forum either.
I do wish you the best. You probably truly don’t realize how you come across.
I stayed up most the night looking for this horse too. And I’m not a member of any hunt. I admire they’ve reached out to this animal.
ETA: and I support the sport fully.
So again, you do not want to talk about it any longer because someone else is telling you that you should apologize and not talk about it, not because you are truly sorry for going off, several posts worth, not just one ranting post.
Sigh!
Referencing the comment I made earlier wrt maybe the horse was starving (and whoever else suggested stress related ulcers could have been correct too), see post number six of http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350634
that references how he was in a field with very short grass…"As usual, Brook Ledge was right on time. “Brownie” is exactly as promised, walked off the big steep ramp like a good horse and settled right in his stall.
He hasn’t missed a meal, so he’ll go in the small field (which isn’t, the grass is just pretty short) til he slims down a bit and the grass isn’t so lush. He’s not quite as big as my other horse, but the “sofa on legs” description I got was spot on.
Already got a email from the whip’s wife asking how he was. Turns out her brother’s wife’s sister hunts with us. "
Anyone deserving of the term horseman or horsewoman knows that horses need to be munching something, hay or grass, as close to 24/7x365 days in order to avoid ulcers and/or keep them happy. I rest my case; a stressed horse was put onto starvation diet on grazed down pasture, so of course he started chewing wood from stress and hunger…DUH!
Post 11 of that thread is why I also referenced possible polysaccharide storage myopathy, “He’s a seal brown draft cross. Probably BelgianxQH.”
Drafties are prone to it, and they need special attention to their diets, not put into starvation mode. I feel sorry for any horses that are under OP’s care, as I doubt any of them get proper attention to their health and wellbeing, based upon this example anyway.
So pleased to hear Brownie is doing well with another hunt.
Hope he was a wonderful summer and a great coming season.
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