Wood chewing S.O.B. wish they'd told me..

[Somermist]

[QUOTE=MaybeMorgan;6298789]
Just for the sake of argument, you have independent confirmation that the second anonymous poster was truthful?[/QUOTE]

No, but if you read the entire thread, it is clear the OP was not. LauraKY was not the untruthful person, the OP came on here and did that.

Again, the uproar here is about the fate of this horse. There was clearly many options. OP started this thread asking for opinions, options, etc. The second anonymous poster was also concerned for the fate of this horse.

[2ndyrgal]

Brownie is fine

And he was not in a dirt lot. I had an email from someone with the hunt who stated that they "didn’t think the chewing was a problem and we had grass so they did not think he’d continue.

They explained away a bad saddle gal as his “rider sat heavy and didn’t believe in a pad”

He is at the hunt kennels. I’m sure he’ll be fine.

I’m pissed, the horse was misrepresented. I gave him more than a week and he did extensive damage.

He’s also, according to my vet, likely at least a couple of years older than his brand new Coggins says he is.

Do I think he should be hound food just because he chews fences? No, or I would not have GIVEN a horse I just PAID for away.

Did I get pissed because once I said that the horse had a serious, destructive problem I got blown off?

You bet I did.

I gave him a chance to be somewhere else.He is at the hunt kennel barn, they have three strands of hot wire. If the people that had sold him to me cared about him at all, a beloved staff horse with decades of service, they would have come and gotten him back.

Anyone who knows me well knows that the level of destruction, regardless of the reason, and this horse did not seem the least bit mopey, would know that it had to be severe for me to send him on.

I’ve been around horses, including race horses for decades. I’ve never seen one that was so depressed that instead of munching on ankle deep grass and clover decided to not only chew, but break off, chew up and SWALLOW wood to the extent this horse did.

This habit did not just start all of a sudden people.

I’m pissed because I was lied to. I got a horse that is not what I was told, with an old injury and a bad habit. I spent money my husband and I work everyday for. Are my horses suposed to be perfect? Nope, but they aren’t supposed to be hell bent on destruction.

If I chose to send a horse on , “to a better place” meaning he’ll now be a guest horse, it’s my business.

If I choose to screw with his former connections the way they screwed with me to finally get a reaction, that’s my business to.

I’m good to my horses, all of them. I’ve spent thousands of dollars on a $50 pony to give him a good end of life.

My problem with this situation was that from the beginning I was buying "the worlds best, vice free horse. Who got off the trailer, older, shorter and with an injury that would prevent his wearing a saddle for at least a month or so that they never mentioned, though they knew he had it and knew why.

Maybe this post will make people who live “far enough away to sell a bad horse” who have no morals, think about selling a horse truthfully the next time.

Or you all can just think I’m wrong. Either way.

[Hinderella]

I’m glad to know he’s alive and has another chance. I see no reason to address anything else here, anymore.

[Mudroom]

Speaking on behalf of Camargo Hunt: The horse is now with our huntsman who is a very experienced, knowledgeable barn manager and trainer. Over the course of the summer and fall he plans to work with the horse and see if he is suitable for his field hunter day-lease program. If that doesn’t work out he has lots of connections and will find the horse a suitable home. He does not feed horse flesh to his hounds.

The OP was obviously very frustrated with the sequence of events. I feel her choice of words were an expression of that frustration and not a reflection of her real intent. She and her husband keep a pristine farm and she did not expect this damage to happen. If I were a horse, their farm would be the most stress free environment I could think of, but we all know horses that can get stressed for reasons we don’t understand.

The facility where he is at now is more utilitarian and has hot wires on top of most of the board fences. There should not be a problem keeping him there. The horses at both facilities are well cared for. In the past, I have boarded a horse with this huntsman and many of our members do currently. I appreciate everyone’s concern.

[vineyridge]

Thanks, Morley, for the post.

I realize that hyperbole is a Southern trait, and certainly both this and the previous post on Brownie http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350634 show signs of exaggeration.

If he doesn’t work out, I’m old and fat and need a kind and bombproof horse to get my nerve back on. Please put me on a list if he doesn’t work out for y’all.

[LauraKY]

Mudroom, thank you for assuring us he will be well cared for. I’m very sorry, but the OP brought all this upon herself. I understand she was angry, perhaps in the future, she will be more careful about what she posts on a public forum, particularly one where she has identified herself in the past. She came across as vindictive and callous.

[2ndyrgal]

Thank you,.

I meant no disrepect to our huntsman or our hunt. My reluctance to pass him on to someone I didn’t know was that the level of this horses “anxiety” is truely at a level where he’d just have ended being passed around.

Our huntsman is a wonderful horseman and I’m sure will have no difficulty coping with a behavior problem. I’m also sure he’ll never end up as hound food.

I’m saddened and frustrated beyond belief at the entire situation.

[2ndyrgal]

And that original post is why…

I posted it within an hour of his arrival. I was thrilled to have found a horse for my husband.

I seldom get this frustrated. It took me 9 years to sell the last horse I had. I’ve had horses forever. Some work, some don’t , but I’ve never had one that didn’t work so badly.

I’m sure there will be a line to hunt him this season once his back heals.

[redfoxyloxy]

Just confirmed w/the MFH that Brownie is with the Camargo Hunt in Ky . He is turned out in lush grass with other happy hunting horses enjoying his life. Not chewing anything anymore either… Lovely horse , a made hunter and completely the horse he was said to be ! To OP: Before you attack a long time hunt club in an open forum and accuse them of fraud , you may want to know whom you are attacking … PHC is a long time hunt in good standing with the MFHA, the Master of Foxhounds has been so for 32 years , The professional whipper-in for 30 years and The professional huntsman has hunted hounds for 38 years for PHC . How dare you attack their charater ,not only by e-mail ,but on this forum. These are outstanding people that our community and the hunting community holds them in the highest regard. The staff had no reason in the world to lie about a horse that worked hard for the club for 9 years . Why? I cannot tell you how upset everyone has been worrying over the fate of our beloved staff horse “Brownie” and your evil postings about his demise. Thank you to everyone who reached out and was concerned only about the really victim in all of this “The Horse”…

[redfoxyloxy]

[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6298881]
I posted it within an hour of his arrival. I was thrilled to have found a horse for my husband.

I seldom get this frustrated. It took me 9 years to sell the last horse I had. I’ve had horses forever. Some work, some don’t , but I’ve never had one that didn’t work so badly.

I’m sure there will be a line to hunt him this season once his back heals.[/QUOTE] TO QUOTE YOU: He rides like a dreamboat… Your words…

[Somermist]

Thank you so much for posting that update. Very happy that Brownie is safe.

[Windsor1]

[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6298823]
If I chose to send a horse on , “to a better place” meaning he’ll now be a guest horse, it’s my business.

If I choose to screw with his former connections the way they screwed with me to finally get a reaction, that’s my business to.[/QUOTE]

It was, anyway, right up until you decided to share “your business” with the world on the Internet.

[2ndyrgal]

I rode him bareback

His sore was to severe for a saddle.

[trubandloki]

@wateryglen;6298782

7. Some horses are part beaver; deal with it.

:yes:
So freaking true!

I never imagined the really fancy places stayed so fancy because they lost their marbles when a less than perfect horse managed to find their way to the facility. Who knew.

I will be sure to keep my seasonal beavers far away from a place like that.

@2ndyrgal;6298823

I’m pissed, the horse was misrepresented. I gave him more than a week and he did extensive damage.

In that week did you bother to buy any chew stop or try putting his hay in a hay net or moving him to a different stall or trying different hay or …
Or was it easier to just get mad and stomp your feet when he did not properly appreciate how fancy your place is?

@2ndyrgal;6298823

He’s also, according to my vet, likely at least a couple of years older than his brand new Coggins says he is.

And yes, teeth reading is such an exact science… Sigh.

@2ndyrgal;6298823

This habit did not just start all of a sudden people.

I can and it does.

@2ndyrgal;6298823

I’m pissed because I was lied to. I got a horse that is not what I was told, with an old injury and a bad habit. I spent money my husband and I work everyday for. Are my horses suposed to be perfect? Nope, but they aren’t supposed to be hell bent on destruction.

I thought hell bent on destruction was pretty much how every horse was. Some only destroy themself, others destroy things, etc.

@2ndyrgal;6298823

If I choose to screw with his former connections the way they screwed with me to finally get a reaction, that’s my business to.

This right here says a ton about you. And it is not a good ton.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6298823]

I got a horse that is not what I was told, with an old injury and a bad habit. I spent money my husband and I work everyday for. Are my horses suposed to be perfect? Nope, but they aren’t supposed to be hell bent on destruction. [/QUOTE]

That’s really what this is all about, isn’t it? Money. And how you feel about money and possessions.

[katarine]

I sent a happy 4YO Appy out on a two week trial. He came home a cribber. Two weeks.

Summer Hill, Summer Hell. It’s all in your perspective.

[Carolinadreamin]

Thank you for the update. Very glad to hear that Brownie is safe and with an experienced horse person.

Anyone who has been involved in the horse world for even a very short time knows what happens when you buy a horse sight unseen. Sorry, no pass or sympathy from me for the OP.

[2ndyrgal]

I was wrong.

On every level. This should have remained a private matter and I am sorry that I upset any one of you or disparaged anyone’s character. I love horses and hunting and did not begin this to sling mud at any of it.

Brownie is a sweet old guy that deserves an easy life, safely carrying hilltoppers in the hunt field. He will be valued highly and given the care fitting such a loyal horse. He truly, could not, be “in a better place” than he is.

Please allow this thread to quietly disapear so that no one else becomes drawn into it unneccessarily.

[Claddagh]

Sorry, but to just let this thread and all of it’s implications just fade away would be an injustice to some future horse (or horses) who might find themselves is a similar unfortunate circumstance.

Anyone who purports to be a horseman/woman, horse lover, or whatever you would have us believe, had better be able to back that statement up with some proof. The only proof we have seen from you tells us who you really are, not who you say you are. And it’s a crying shame that a horse could have easily lost his life to your idea of justified retribution for the damage he did to your barn (and some $ it might have cost you to repair).

Did you try anything at all (besides having a hissy fit over your 6X6 post and some fence rails) to try to get to the bottom of Brownie’s problem? NO

Did you even once consider that Brownie just might have developed an ulcer due to stress (his leaving his long time home, being transported, a reaction to YOUR attitude towards him?) NO - If you had you would have known that a horse under stress can develop an ulcer in a matter of hours. You would have known that a horse in pain from ulcers can display behaviors not formerly displayed - and one of them is WOOD CHEWING! And with the amount of gusto that Brownie was going about his “destruction” of your property, you can bet the bank that he was in pain.

Did you even consider, much less actually DO anything to seek answers for Brownie’s behavior? NO. If you had you would have had your vet out to test for ulcers. And if you were half the horseperson that you would have us believe you are, you would have known that you didn’t need the vet at that point. You could have run a test of your own - simply by giving Brownie the appropriate amount of Ranitadine for a few days to see if the wood chewing stopped or eased up at all. Then you would have gone to GastroGard to heal the ulcers. My bet is that your problem would have been solved.

I am glad that Brownie is safe now. That he is in a place where he will be well taken care of and loved (as he obviously had been in his previous home). And if ulcers did develop from his stress at shipping to and living at your place, his new home sounds perfect - lots of lush grass which is the perfect way to feed an ulcer-prone horse.

[oliverreed]

Amen, Claddagh. Brownie dodged a bullet. OP can’t just say oh I’m sorry I was wrong, let’s just fugeddaboudit. Nah.