Redfoxylady, thanks for brining us Brownie’s true story, and please do let us know if he is indeed, safe and sound. My most sincere condolences on the ending of your hunt, and my very best wishes to all involved. I do believe that you will be able to find, among the other posts here,an excellent home for Brownie, should he need one.
As difficult as this saga has been to read, I am cheered to see how many Coth people have come together for the horse.
Is there any way to find out what really happened to this horse?
Just in case you want to make sure you avoid the OP in the future:
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;5199944]
Informal Dressage Clinic at Summer Hill Training Center KY
This Saturday, November 6th. No charge for auditing, though PM me so we have enough food. Still a couple of spots available for riders, which comes with a free stall for the day! County Saddle rep will be doing their thing at 9am, rides start at 10. Indoors.[/QUOTE]
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279503#post5199944
I cannot tell you all how happy I was when I turned on my computer this morning and a member of the hunt said “their talking about Brownie on COTH”. Yesterday, I had recieved an e-mail from OP stating in a round about way , That she could not find anyone to take Brownie , they had to make a “hard decision” and he was “no longer with us” … to me that means “he is dead”… I am blown away that someone in a public forum would go on and on about “killing a horse” If you think OP is rough in here , you should read her private e-mails. I am not going to post about this subject any longer. We will be dealing with this through the proper channels. I can say OP had Brownie 1 week ,the hunt had him 9 years . The club is filled with Doctors and lawyers who do not need to "cheat’ someone on a $2,800 made, sound proven hunting horse. Again, I am so happy Brownie is alive .
Originally Posted by 2ndyrgal
Informal Dressage Clinic at Summer Hill Training Center KY
This Saturday, November 6th. No charge for auditing, though PM me so we have enough food. Still a couple of spots available for riders, which comes with a free stall for the day! County Saddle rep will be doing their thing at 9am, rides start at 10. Indoors.
Let’s hope none of them are chewers, shall we?
If indeed he has gone to the Camargo huntsman, he will be cared for in an appropriate way, by true horsemen. http://www.findawayfarm.org/index.html
I hope that’s where he is.
The behavior/attitude of the OP is horrid. I hope the MFH at Camargo, who frequents this BB will see that her membership is not renewed.
Redfoxyloxy, I am so sorry.
[QUOTE=SLR;6297537]
If indeed he has gone to the Camargo huntsman, he will be cared for in an appropriate way, by true horsemen. http://www.findawayfarm.org/index.html
I hope that’s where he is.
The behavior/attitude of the OP is horrid. I hope the MFH at Camargo, who frequents this BB will see that her membership is not renewed.
Redfoxylady, I am so sorry.[/QUOTE] Thank you so very much for this … I am in tears…
Guess the OP lied about his trying to bite her. Hoping she’s making up the fact that she hit him hard a couple of times.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6272471]
Thoroughbred grooms are the worst offenders, they figure if that lead chain occupies them, it’s all good.
I recently purchased a horse just like yours. Via internet, had NO idea he was a biter. Until he bit me, hard. He was in the cross ties and I was so stunned the first time, he didn’t get much but a holler and a smack.
The difference is, my horse is a huge draft cross field hunter. With a head like an anvil. A big anvil. He’s 8 years old and knows better.
The second time? I lit into him like the next thing he was going to see was God. Instantly and without one speck of guilt, I just about knocked him into his next birthday. I’m 5’4" this horse is 16.3 and probably weighs about 1500lbs.
He hasn’t done it since. He does open his mouth like Jaws, and act like he’s going to bite, and that is just bluff. He knows if he touches me again, that even Jesus won’t be able to save him.
I don’t give a damn how much money or how many ribbons a horse has won. That behavior is something that I refuse to tolerate, it’s dangerous for you and for other people.
I’ve seen someone’s lower lip get removed by a horse that everyone said was “just mouthy”. Several surgeries later, it’s still not pretty, and she was a very lovely girl.
Either discipline him, or get someone else to do it.[/QUOTE]
Redfoxloxy,
I sent you an email. Please know that we are so sorry that this happened.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6294553]
I would have thought that buying a made hunt horse who was “sound with no vices” would have been safe enough.
But nooooo, they neglected to mention that his Sire was a beaver and his dam was at least 90% woodchuck.
I won’t even mention that I’m pretty damn sure he’s at least 2 years older than his brand new shiny Coggins says he is and he’s got a silver dollar sized saddle gall right in the center of his back where the saddle rests, I guess they didn’t believe in pads either.
I’m trying to give him away with full disclosure, no takers so far.
We’re pretty near the zoo though…
I would have thought a hunt would be more reputable than that.
Good job they folded up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6294701]And he doesn’t crib, he just chews.
And you can’t put a grazing muzzle on them 24/7. I had it tight enough to make his eyes pop and he got it off two days in a row.
Of course, he can’t wear it and actually eat hay in his stall. I’m at my wit’s end.
Of course, he rides like a dreamboat and is sweet as can be.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6294707]He is fat as a tick and healthy as can be. I’d have to put 7000 feet of electric fence far enough away from any wood so he couldn’t reach it.
I’d have to cover his entire stall with sheet metal.
Not going to happen.
I wish I could find anything else to hate about him, but he’s about as perfect as you can get.
Except for the destructive force of a chain saw.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6294755]But as the hunt he was with has folded, and no one has responded to calls or emails, I think I’m out of luck there.
I really wanted this horse to have a good lifetime home with me. My husband works his butt off so we can have a nice place.
Horse has a big honking Redmond Rock salt block in his stall. Ignores it and chews the posts.
This is not something that just started, I walked out the other day to see him destroying a top fence board. It’s like he was trying to escape. Just grabbed ahold of the top rail, bit down as hard as he could and twisted til he got a big hunk off, which he proceeded to chew up like a bunny with a carrot stick. I slung my hat at him, which backed him off for a second, then he was right back at it. And the field he is in has the yummy orchard grass/white clover stuff. My other horse almost never lifts his head!
I’ve never seen anything like it. I hate putting down a sweet, useful horse, but once I reveal his dirty little secret, no one seems to want him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6295735]The huntsman will use him as a guest horse if the hot wire works and he doesn’t tear the barn down.
If not, he’ll be hound food.
It’s really a shame, otherwise, he couldn’t be a nicer horse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6295754]The people I got him from admitted that he is a confirmed wood chewer and has done so for over a decade. He will not keep a muzzle on, he will injure himself in order to remove it. It is not nerves, a calmer horse I’ve never seen. He got along instantly with the other horse. He just simply, apparently, enjoys a habit he’s had for years, at the expense of my woodwork.
He will either respect the hot wire and leave the side of the barn alone, or he’ll benefit the hunt/hounds in some other fashion.
I didn’t “give up”, I cut my losses. I’m not sure how much it would cost to replace a SUPPORT beam in the barn that is chewed, in ten days, not in half, but a third of a 6"x6" beam looks like someone tried to file it in half.
It’s set in cement, as are the other four upright posts and some cross beams that he would have had to stretch his head up to an uncomfortable level to chew.
He pissed on a half bale of green, fragrant hay and destroyed a stall with 50 year old oak beams.
I won’t even appologize for giving him away. He will either have a useful purpose under saddle or he’ll meet a merciful end.
I would not have purchased a horse willingly with this habit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6295842]A senior hunt member of our hunt emailed me an ad for two horses, both staff horses with a recognized hunt that was folding. After extensive calls and emails, I purchased the horse, from photos taken in the hunt field last season. He was inexpensive and sold as a 14 yr old made hunt horse, proven, with NO vices, who would hunt quietly in the field. At the price I paid, even, if he had only turned out to be a pasture pet, I probably still would have kept him.
He’s done nearly $2000 of damage to my fences and stable. No, peeing on hay is not a capital offense, just annoying as hell when the same horse chews 3 inches off a 18 inch section of six by six in ten days.
I’ll add that while the horse’s new Coggins says he’s 14, the vet must never have opened his mouth. I doubt that a 14 year old that chews like he does would be that “long in the tooth”.
I have children, I do not expect them to be destructive to my property or anyone elses.
I suppose I could have sent him along to the next “oh I’ll love him more and he’ll stop” Pollyanna, but he’d have just been returned with an “I had NO IDEA it could be that bad”.
Why isn’t anyone angered at the people who just cared about getting rid of him before May 1st?
He needed to be in a concrete barn with metal fencing, posts and all (I have to replace 4 in the field). I do not have either of those.
There is nothing wrong with humanely disposing of a horse with abborant behavior issues. What happens to the body after shouldn’t be an issue.
I hope he lives a long and productive life as a guest horse. I hope he’s hunted and loved forever.
I’ll get back with you.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for the long post. But since people have been known to get the editing urge when backed into a corner, I thought they’d be best saved.
Good move, Long Spot. I can’t remember when a thread on COTH (and subsequent OP) made me feel so sick.
So Redfoxyloxy, when OP says that the hunt confirms he was a chewer, would not keep a muzzle on etc, is any of that true? The posts jump all over, on a dry lot, all kinds of grass, gave him to hunt, put him down…
Seems like such a shame for this poor horse. Who gets a new horse in and have it all settled in instantly?
I’m so thankful that Brownie has been located!
I too am shocked by the attitude and behaviour of the OP.
On the hunting forum on COTH? Say it isn’t so… though,I suppose it was a good thing the OP did post here and thus the word got out to Brownie’s owners and friends.
Not what I would have expected from a foxhunter, whom have (mostly) in my experience been excellent and decent horseman/women.
You read my mind, Skydy.
I was just thinking that with the exception of one other thread, this is about the only super unpleasant thing I’ve seen happen in the Hunting forum. I consider the Hunting section to be sort of the last bastion of horseman sanity.
It’s can be kind of shocking when someone shows you who they really are and it’s ugly.
No true foxhunter would. And I am so very sorry to see that happen to the club. I hope everyone is going to be ok. Must be a terrible time for everyone.
I’m glad Brownie is going to a good horseman. I’ll bet he is right as rain in no time and will be kicking a** in the field this season.
We’ve had some little spats in this forum over the years, but I don’t recall being truly disturbed by any of them. Until now. I hate to see a bad apple among us.:no:
Perhaps the OP should stick to Breyer Horses.
I believe I remember the original ad for this guy that went out on FOL. He sounded wonderful and I wished I had been closer as he sounds perfect for my family.
I’m so happy to know he is safe.
If the OP was feeling pressure from her husband to get rid of him because of the damage I can understand that, I’ve been there, but in no way do I understand her crass responses and irresponsible behavior when it comes to this horse. Especially after only a week! I’m going on a year and a half with a “free”, yet very expensive to keep, pony, but I promised that pony a forever home and made that same promise to her former people. I am not going to give up on her or the promise that I made. My husband knows not to even question it anymore, even to the point of happily purchasing new food for her yesterday at $15 more a bag then the old brand!
I guess my only advice now to the OP is once you’ve dug a deep hole, STOP DIGGING! You have made a lot of enemies on Coth now because of this behavior.
I wish the best to Brownie, and I am another one who would give him a home in a heartbeat! In an electrified paddock with a non-wood shed and a lots of love, understanding and patience.
[QUOTE=Carolinadreamin’;6297563]
Guess the OP lied about his trying to bite her. Hoping she’s making up the fact that she hit him hard a couple of times.[/QUOTE] This is another horse OP is talking about …Brownie is 16 Hands 14/15 yrs old …I guess that horse was horrible too then…
[QUOTE=Somermist;6297600]
So Redfoxyloxy, when OP says that the hunt confirms he was a chewer, would not keep a muzzle on etc, is any of that true? The posts jump all over, on a dry lot, all kinds of grass, gave him to hunt, put him down…
Seems like such a shame for this poor horse. Who gets a new horse in and have it all settled in instantly? No one EVER confirmed this. In fact, all the staff was completely puzzled by this claim…
[QUOTE=Long Spot;6297580]
Sorry for the long post. But since people have been known to get the editing urge when backed into a corner, I thought they’d be best saved.[/QUOTE]
Well done. She’s busted. Completely 100% busted.
[QUOTE=redfoxyloxy;6297871]
[QUOTE=Somermist;6297600]So Redfoxyloxy, when OP says that the hunt confirms he was a chewer, would not keep a muzzle on etc, is any of that true? The posts jump all over, on a dry lot, all kinds of grass, gave him to hunt, put him down…
Seems like such a shame for this poor horse. Who gets a new horse in and have it all settled in instantly? [/QUOTE] No this is completely untrue ! No one ever confirmed that he chewed wood ,because he never did at the hunt kennels in 9 years . The staff were completely perplexed by her claims and sicken to think she killed a part of the hunt family. Everyone in our community knows Brownie! This whole thing is making me sicker by the moment !
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