X-treme winter trailering: Chains on trailer?

I have to haul a horse in some potentially gnarly conditions. I get putting snow chains on my truck, but a buddy of mine has chains for his horse trailer. And so my questions:

  1. If I’m using 4WD, I’d still put the chains on the front tires and make my truck into a front-wheel drive vehicle in terms of traction, right?

  2. Does it make any sense to put chains on the trailer where those wheels don’t have power and just need to follow?

Thank you! And my big goal is to be smart/work around the weather and roads so that I never have to lie on the nasty ground and chain up anything.

Relative to your tow vehicle, you need to check with your manufacturer whether or not chains are permitted on the front wheels. They are not permitted on mine as there is not enough clearance for them.

Relative to the trailer, I cannot fathom how chains on the trailer would provide any assistance at all, outside of, perhaps, emergency braking. It likely would make for an uncomfortable ride for the ponies when on solid pavement, too.

Do keep in mind that when running chains, you have to significantly limit your speed…

I have never heard of chains on a trailer of any type. Chains are illegal for ANY vehicle here in Ontario regardless so a mute point but I just don’t think trailer chains would help in any way whatsoever for a towed vehicle.

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Thank you all.

I drive an F-350… Any of y’all have definitive info on the wisdom or legality of chaining up in the front or rear wheels? I will look into this more, particularly at the good tire place where i’ll buy my chains.

The only way I think chains on a trailer could help is on very bad ice where you brake hard and the trailer might want to slide sideways after fish-tailing. This is a 2 horse BP with dressing room, so I think the tow vehicle is big enough to control it… so long as I don’t get into a braking hard on ice scenario.

If it’s bad enough that you need to put chains on your trailer my vote is to not trailer. I have been caught in snowstorms a couple of times while trailering and it is NO fun. Your truck should be plenty to tow that trailer and I would watch the weather and plan to trailer during good weather even if it means adjusting the scheduled activity.

I am not sure I would risk my truck/trailer/horse in a medical emergency. Something goes wrong and you don’t just have a colicking horse, you have a wrecked truck/trailer and colicking horse, in difficult/cold outdoor conditions.

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Snow chains on the trailer would just make it slide more when you put the brakes on and potentially jack knife.

100% with Hilary on this …is the risk worth it???

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I’m with y’all: If it’s so bad you’d consider chaining up a trailer, it’s too bad to be trailering.

Instead, I’ll figure out how to equip the truck and watch the weather on-line like a hawk.

Thanks again for your help.

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There was a thread on this very subject a year ago and much to my shock, horror, and surprise, several posters said it was very common in their area for hauling over mountain passes and they did it on a regular basis. I can’t for the life of me remember which axle they said to use.

Seems anywhere you check, there are conflicting opinions on tire chains.

If you have enough clearance up front and two sets of tire chains, you could chain both axles. It seems to be a more reasonable solution if you only have one set of chains or not enough clearance up front, to chain the rear axle in 4WD. Steering and braking may not be as good as if you were to chain the front, but there will be more lateral control in your rear end and it’ll reduce the possibility of fishtailing. I’d think if you’re hauling a trailer, too, that would be more important. Your rear end cutting loose on you seems like it would have more detrimental consequences. Personally, I’ve noticed in snow and ice, I’m more likely to have the back end of my truck fishtail before I ever lose my inability to steer. Generally, this is pretty easily corrected, but I’d think with a loaded trailer in inclement conditions, it could amplify quickly.

Good luck if you do end up trucking out in the snow!

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If weather requires chains, it’s bad enough to stay home. But when circumstances demand it …

Chain the rear drive wheels and alternate axle trailer wheels. Chaining the trailer wheels keeps the trailer from jack-knifing.

From : http://fastertruck.com/pages/How-To-Chain-Up-Big-Trucks-Tire-Chains-Instruction.html

…"When you have to chain-up going over Donner Pass: “MINIMUM Chains” (R1) means 2 sets of single chains, Put one set on your primary drive axle, outside tires.

The “Primary” drive axle is always the rear axle of a 3 axle tractor. The second set of chains go on your trailer axles, staggered. One chain on the front, left, outside tire and one on the right rear, outside tire."

I got caught in a pretty nasty snowstorm on the way back from picking up a horse in Buffalo. The last hour took about four hours and I was literally white knuckling it to the point my hands hurt the next day. I have 4wd on my tow vehicle and took it very slow and it was ok but definitely not something I would do on purpose. Once we unloaded the horse so there was no extra weight back there the trailer was virtually uncontrollable FYI. Thankfully I didnt have to go far empty to find a parking spot.

Thanks for that. I never thought to stagger them on the trailer, but if you just want both sides of it to grip the road and try to stay behind the tow vehicle, this could work.

My deal is that I have to 1. Get from California to Bend, Oregon (sans horse and trailer… but most like with a CAT! (of course there’s a cat); and then 2. Get down the front of the Cascades to the Willamette Valley.

Buffalo snow and ice. Not good. I used to live in Central New York, so I understand (somewhat) the kind of snow and ice you could find around Buffalo. But I think the lake effect you guys had up there was worse than where I lived in the Finger Lakes.

It actually didn’t start snowing until almost out of PA and into MD but yeah, Buffalo can be brutal. We lived there for two years.

It’s kind of hard to see, but this is from the Ministry of transportation in British Colombia. Basically they recommend putting chains on one trailer tire to help reduce the chance of jackknifing when you’re slowly driving down a hill on a turn. Along with having chains on the power axle, which assuming your truck is rear wheel drive, would be your back tires.

In BC tires must have the mud and snow symbol with at least 3.5mm tread depth, and any commercial vehicle must carry chains between Oct 31 and March 31. Flashing lights on mountain passes mean the chains need to be put on. You’re not allowed to drive on bare roads with the chains on though.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/driving-and-transportation/driving/winter/pdfs/brochure_cv-030_chainup_suggestions.pdf

In northern Ontario studded tires are allowed, chains are prohibited though. Check the laws in each state that you’ll be driving through before you head out.

Update: I bought chains and learned to put 'em on, but slipped over the pass while it was legal (and pretty much OK) to avoid chains. But here’s what I learned:

  1. Driving in the snow is the ultimate tactful hunter ride. Do nothing fast so as to upset your hot, chestnut TB whom you are trying to make look slow and relaxed. It’s a bit of a kinesthetic skill and I was grateful to be able to call on my decade of driving around in the Northeast where, really, you didn’t chain up, but drove with the equipment you had… and, hopefully, some intelligence.

  2. The modern chains that have the stiff cable for the inside of your wheel truly look easier to put on than the old ones with pure, snakey- flexible, all-chain variety. I put those on a car once while I was in high school and that taught me to never want to chain-up again. But I would use the modern ones now if I had to.

  3. The whole deal with chaining up the trailer is, actually, about staying legal (at least in Oregon). Here, there are two situations for snow areas. If things aren’t too bad, all vehicles must carry chains or “traction devices” which mean tires that have been rated (for legal purposes) as such. But! When things are worse and all vehicles must use chains, the thing being towed must also have chains on an axle with brakes on it.

Not sure about this last part as most people I spoke with talked about putting just one set of chains on the trailer… maybe staggered as described above, or maybe just on the rear-most axle. The idea with the rear-most axle is to 1. Create the most drag at the back of the whole rig, and 2. to make sure you don’t have a problem with a chain that falls off the front axle and gets wound around the one just behind it.

I think the best choice for the tow vehicle is to put the chains on the rear axel. I drive a diesel, so I’d hope that the extra weight of that big engine would help me out up front. To me, the biggest concern is the jack-knife situation, so I think I’d like my traction to be at the mid-point of my rig. I do understand that people think front-wheel-drive creates better handling for cars.

In any case, that legal requirement why the PNW peeps talk about chaining up their trailers when no one else, anywhere else seems to do that by choice. I had never heard of that in the Northeast. But that’s the law here.

I think it’s weird how the laws for chains vary so much here too. I think it comes down to the fact that vehicles in California aren’t usually equipped with snow tires and that chains chew up the road something fierce… so in California/West Coast, they require chains because they don’t want to check every vehicle for the 1/1000 that actually has appropriate tires, and everywhere else, they prohibit them because they eat the roads.

Also, here, snow quantity is a function of elevation rather than month or latitude.

I suspect both plans are the right plan. Don’t haul over passes if you’re going to need chains, but knowing what to put on and having them is pretty smart if you’re hauling in winter, because surprises happen and getting stuck at the base of a snowy pass kind of sucks too. I never even thought about putting chains on a trailer.

I’m glad you made it OK.

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So glad you made it ok.

Also glad that you identified the chains on drive axle and trailer.

Mr. Fillabeana used to drive a semi with double hay trailers over the Mt Hood pass in the winter. He’s quite happy that is no longer part of our business plan. He had to chain up way more than he liked.

Another option if you don’t want to go over Mt Hood or Santiam is to go up the Columbia River to The Dalles or Biggs, then south through Shaniko and Madras. Takes longer, but there is rarely snowpack on that route.

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