E.H. Buddenbrock is arguably the top breeding Trakehner alive in the world today. Do your homework… Only his sire, E.H. Sixtus, or his son, E.H. Connery and the stallion Van Dyke come close. He has produced numerous inspection champions, not to mention the sheer number of sons and grandsons selected for Neumunster. He improves the mares he is bred to in every category in the breeding index, and now has over 200 offspring that have been money earners in competition. You can see him on the facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/aquafarms.sporthorses
He has been booked the past 2 season, so I do not really advertize. He has more offspring born in one season than most others do in their entire lives. I am not here to put anyone’s stallion down, but there is really no comparison.
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E.H. Buddenbrock is arguably the top breeding Trakehner alive in the world today. Do your homework… Only his sire, E.H. Sixtus, or his son, E.H. Connery and the stallion Van Dyke come close. He has produced numerous inspection champions, not to mention the sheer number of sons and grandsons selected for Neumunster. He improves the mares he is bred to in every category in the breeding index, and now has over 200 offspring that have been money earners in competition. You can see him on the facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/aquafarms.sporthorses
He has been booked the past 2 season, so I do not really advertize. He has more offspring born in one season than most others do in their entire lives. I am not here to put anyone’s stallion down, but there is really no comparison.[/QUOTE]
:lol: Well, La-di-fricken-da!
I am amused at the wording of your response. :lol:
Nice horse, by the way! 
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If you were willing to consider Trakehner, you might go with Buddenbrock. Not homozygous but certainly PROVEN in terms of producing top level offspring in dressage and eventing.
Considering the enormous numbers of mares Buddi has bred, vs. Windfall, the production record of Windfall for upper level EVENTING is better. Just fyi.
Saying nothing about the stallion himself, but when I clicked on the link give by ATA for his website he is not even mentioned in the stallion line-up. Under ATA’s “performance of get” column there are only 2 mentioned. So for someone not intimately familiar with Trakes or eventing sires in general (and I’m not…I usually breed for dressage), his wonderful-ness does not leap forth.
One can only go by the information given…
So, he has produced more foals than Caprimond and Hohenstein? Really?
I’m not here to defend Buddenbrock, he really doesn’t need it, but possibly you’re not looking at the right link? http://americantrakehner.com/stallions/Buddenbrock.asp
he is listed under active stallions as EH Buddenbrock, so not under B, but E 
The list of performing offspring is labelled ATA Registered offspring - so yes, only 2 or 3 are listed. Buddenbrock stood in Germany until late (?) 2012, so it is not surprising he has few offspring in NA. It’s a sad fact that only a small proportion of Trakehner owners (many of whom import) register their Trakehners with the ATA 
And most Trakehners born in US aren’t registered either. But that’s a rant for another day…
Not sure why you introduced Caprimond and Hohenstein into the discussion, but they are, sadly, dead. Buddenbrock isn’t, so E.H. Buddenbrock is arguably the top breeding Trakehner alive in the world today" is a valid statement.
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Considering the enormous numbers of mares Buddi has bred, vs. Windfall, the production record of Windfall for upper level EVENTING is better. Just fyi.[/QUOTE]
I am fine with percentages. Buddenbrock’s oldest American born offspring are coming yearlings, so looking through the ATA website he has 11 imported offspring registered with the ATA. Two of those have done well in eventing, “Inamorado” and “Masterpiece 54”, making this about 20%. As for Europe, there are a few that have done well and are doing well in eventing. Of course dressage is where the bulk are pointed toward. Windfall has 78 offspring registered with the ATA. Many under saddle. I think people have named 4 or 5 that are upper level, or about 6%. Even with the young ones, this percentage doubled would still be lower than Buddenbrock’s. I am happy to post any of Buddenbrock’s indexes, including his offspring performance index which is 124 with 100 being the average. Buddenbrock’s accuracy is at 97% based on the large number of offspring for which the Verband has been able to collect data. I will not list any other stallion’s indexes, but you are certainly welcome to if you wish.
Don’t agree with the premise.
I have looked at all the information about yourself you listed and I think that breeding for a not chestnut sale foal is not your farms problem. You could have a clearer cleaner presence on the web and Facebook. Better pictures presenting what you have as mares and foals for sale and what you have already produced. You need to be sure of the market you want to produce horses for and clearly go after breeding and presenting your horses to that market. If you find a helpful society that serves your area that is where I would focus…it may be Canadian Hanoverians but you want to use them because they have a successful sale page and close inspections and I would be inclined to use find a local stallion owner who is enthusiastic and helpful about marketing the youngstock of their stallions. You have nice stock, a great TB mare, but they are not necessarily presented in a flattering way for your farm. You produced a super chestnut colt and he would be front and center with great pictures and video. You can be a success but by doing all the details better not necessarily selecting a single stallion. I don’t mean to pick on you…I am as guilty of this as anyone. Know your market, present well to your market, use good photos and videos, and be a very good cheerful presence for your business. it is what we all need to be be for success. An pick the stallion that gives you that excited feeling because he makes the kind of horse that gets you up for facing the challenges that are ahead. PatO
You’ve gotten a LOT of excellent recommendations for stallions… But echoing some of the others, I think that ESPECIALLY for Eventing (it is a niche market), you REALLY need to focus on something proven for Eventing to sell as a young horse. Color is much less important IMO. Thankfully, your mare is pretty proven so you can think outside of the box more than, per say, a maiden mare.
Didn’t Hanoverian open up their registry as far as outside stallions go? I’m not too Hanov savvy, but what’s their policy about out of registry stallions? That may really open you up. I would really look into that and then go from there. What is the reason for staying Hanov? Her approvals?
I’m sorry to bring this back up. But I cannot let this stand.
Quote Aquafarms: He has more offspring born in one season than most others do in their entire lives.
EXACTLY. Thanks for making my point
You have to understand what the German indices actually say, and how they are formulated, to draw any conclusions from them. For eventing, they mean nothing. They don’t even take into account eventing as a discipline.
I love Buddenbrock and Joe knows I have been super supportive of this horse, always. HOWEVER. It is really leaning out the window to call a horse with a gigantic mare book for a decade “the best stallion out there” when others - Waitaki for example - have had to struggle with a fraction of those breeding numbers, and have DONE BETTER in a particular discipline. Simple as that. I am very familiar with the breeding and foaling numbers of these stallions, both in Europe and the US. Hence I don’t limit my opinion based on just the few ATA foals born so far, especially since the OP is asking for AHS.
Buddenbrock is a great sire, but not for every mare, and upper level eventing, really, is not his strength. That is mostly due to the fact that breeders chose him primarily for dressage bred mares. That factors in here.
Now, just so we you realize I’m not making this up:
Buddenbrock has around 700 offspring in Germany (all breeds).
310 were registered as sport horses in early 2013 with the German Equestrian Federation (FN)
201 of them (64,84%) had placings at all different levels in three disciplines, from novice to advanced.
The percentage of upper level horses (S level in Germany) in this group is 6,97 %. Not a single advanced level eventer is in this group (S level).
Based on his bloodlines, Buddenbrock on top of a good TB or AA mare for example could be the perfect recipie for a great event horse (the geling Chant Noir is a good example of this, he is ridden by a Junior and has done well at the CIC** level). And you may prove that down the line, Joe, you have the horses to do this. However, the OP is looking NOW, and that just puts things into perspective. That is all I am saying. None of this takes away from the great sire that he is.
(BTW, before adding Van Deyk to your list of great stallion, try Kostolany ;-))
If you want upper level potential, and homozygeous is important to you, I would strongly suggest to look at the TBs in that field, or a stallion like Fleetwater Opposition, and yes, Windfall. Since you search for AHS, I cannot suggest Titulus, he is Oldenburg approved. Yet - every single adult offspring I had the opportunity to watch go cross country was simply above average in all regards. The style and technique over jumps that this particular stallion puts on his get, no matter which mare, is really quite impressive. There are quite a number of us breeders over here in the old country that really would like to get that stallion back
OP: Have you checked the line-up of Chatworth Stud in Georgia, and I don’t mean the Trakehners there? Michael Pollard presented an freakishly amazing (bay) young eventer with a world class jump, homebred, at the USEA Seminar in Ocala two weeks ago, bred from his stock. You may want to look there.
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EXACTLY. Thanks for making my point
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Buddenbrock and Tizgane both though are not homozygous although most of Buddi’s offspring are dark he does have the occassional chestnut.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Taz is not homozygous, nor approved HAN. Buddenbrock is Hano approved. As is the TB Sea Accounts xx (not sure about homozygous status but majority of foals are dark IIRC).
Maren, I thought for a minute that you had lost your touch, as you have always had the last word in these forums. Glad to see that your predictability is as high as a leading Elite Hengst.
I’m not talking about specialists like Waitaki, who produces almost exclusively jumpers. I think instead of capitalizing done better in you paragragh you should have capitalized PARTICULAR DISIPLINE as it would have been more fitting. If Waitaki would have been a better producer overall he certainly would have bred more mares. I thought of breeding to him myself but after seeing some offspring and talking to some breeder decided against it. mainly because many were really small.
(BTW, I only listed living stallions and as far as I know E.H. Van Dyke is alive. Kostolany is not, heck neither is Waitaki)
As far as I’m concerned E.H. Buddenbrock has the best overall breeding record of any living Trakehner stallion today. I,m talking about all catagories combined (Inspections, champion sons and daughters, all disiplines such as
Dressage,Eventing,Jumping)
His sire and dam lines are impecable, Burnus AA/ Habicht/ E.H.Sixtus/ E.H. Buddebrock/ E.H. Connery/ Imperio. His Mother is the third in a line consecutive Elite and state premium mares. E.H Buddenbrock earned becoming Elite and the honor of Stallion of the year all based on his production record. He was in such high demand because of this record, three approved son from his first foal crop including Champion E.H. King Arthur and Premium E.H.Connery. I,m not trying to bash any other stallions, or garner more breedings, as I’ve never recommended him on any tread but he’s an amazing stallion and a joy to be around every single day, I’ve never even once seen him angry or sulky, he loves people and other horses even the other stallions. I don’t understand why anyone would want to take away from his accoplishments, Trakehner breeders all claim to love the Trakehner yet they can’t even give a stallion like Buddi his due credit.
Sorry, double posted.
Mods have been alerted to this thread, as aquafarms has obviously been self-advertising, which is against the rules.
Deuceswild 11,
Try reading for comprehension !!
What part of I’ve never recommended my stallion on a tread don’t you understand ?
My stallions production record is being questioned and I’m responding, plain and simple.
Edit: to say, one poster questioned if Buddi was even standing at stud because he wasn’t listed on my web site,(that’s why the link to facebook) the same poster stated that he only had two offspring competing. when someone goes onto a stallion’s page and notices on the top left of the page the web address then scroles to the bottom of the page and notices 2 american offspring competing but doen’t see everything in between, one does sometimes have a knee jerk reaction.
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Vandiver (Werner Given) is running at Advanced and Lickety Split (Barb Crabo) and Komik (Alexandra Knowles) have come out at Intermediate so far this year. Jon Holling’s Kompass is by Windfall, was out at Intermediate last year, hasn’t come out yet this year.
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Vandiver is doing the 3* and Komik the 2* this weekend at Red Hills.
What about EH sixtus himself? He is the sire of buddenbrock and half brother to windfall. He was a successful eventer himself and has sired upper level horses in eventing and dressage ( his stallion son axis is fab). He is black and not so tall though won’t necessarily produce very small, he shouldn’t produce giants. He is a proven sire and will reliably improve athleticism and movement. I used him on my trak x tb mare to improve athleticism and he did just that. I don’t know if you are only wanting to use US based stallions or are ok with frozen. I believe sixtus is still alive, though close to 30 and is approveded han. Maren will know about the details and ins and ours of using him and if he would suit your mare.
I sometimes think the old boys get forgotten in preference to sons through to greatgrand sons when they still have a lot to offer the right mare. Good luck with your breeding
Had a quick Google of EH Sixtus - he does not appear to be approved hanovarian. Sorry for misinformation. Also he was a successful show jumper himself, not an eventer ( I was thinking of sixtus sire habicht I think). He DOES have outstanding offspring in upper levels if dressage, show jumping and eventing though as well as being a great sire of premium offspring. He is one of my favourite sites
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Mods have been alerted to this thread, as aquafarms has obviously been self-advertising, which is against the rules.[/QUOTE]
Actually…what he posted is permitted.
OP has gotten some good choices.
I will say…if resale is the goal, then breeding for eventing–regardless of the color—is difficlut. Most eventers just do not buy that young so you will have that offspring until they are at least 3 or older…and most eventer buyers will not care at all about the brand on the butt of the offspring. EVERY once in a while, there are a few people who buy young but a more dressage bred or jumper bred foal will have an easier time selling, especially out of a TB mare.
But if the OP is like me…I prefer to bred what I want to ride. So that I’m not unhappy to have them around for a while. While I do event…and will bred for eventing…I do not limit my self to a registry. With a good TB mare…I pick the stallion that I want…then get the mare approved where I can to have the foal registered. And while I do try to keep them marketable…I focus more on producing something that I will want to keep. With the view that if it is something that I want to keep and ride…chances are very good that someone else will also want to buy them!
