You know the horse market is crazy when

My IHSA coach had us sing “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” at canter if he thought we were rushing the horses. Loudly. If he couldn’t hear you, he would keep at you to up the volume until he could, so that you were taking big deep breaths. Eventually everyone kept breathing over fences. :slight_smile:

If this student is only up to the trot, a medium-pace 4/4 rhythm song would be a better fit. A teammate from the same IHSA team used “All I do is win, win, win no matter what” for this, slowed down. She was blue all season the year she started that.

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We always sang while galloping racehorses. My friend said that her horses breezed so well in order to get away from her singing. I sing to the bears on the trails now.

My best horse ever would only trail ride if the trail ride involved jumping. Otherwise, it was a spookfest.

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I’ve done this! Row row row your boat and twinkle twinkle little star are my go to lol. She has to be nagged to keep the volume up. When we first started she would start hyperventilating and the volume would go to a whisper, then nothing… we stop, gain composure, start singing, then try again.

Everyone has such good suggestions for my troubled gal, keep them coming!

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Back to the thread topic: here’s a good one.

"ISO:

A practice horse. I need something to jump on my good horses hack days. Don’t need it to show. Don’t need it to pass a ppe - idc about maintenance or chips as long as it’s sound! Just be upfront and don’t make me spend $3k on a ppe to find anything of significance. Don’t care if it’s old. It just needs to be able to hold up to being jumped 2-3 times a week. Will be in a program with a reputable trainer.
I take excellent care of my horses, and although not a show horse, it will still get the same ocd care of our show horses. I’m not looking for a babysitter - needing something that can jump at least 3”. No silly business, no stopping and absolutely no kissing spine."

You… you want a “practice horse”? You don’t need it to pass a PPE, but it needs to jump 3’ 3x a week? Presumably the fact that you’re making so many concessions for this no tricks 3’ horse that you’re expecting to get it cheap. Come on, lady…

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This is a really great thread and I’ve been enjoying going through it. Much of the conversation echoes what has been pinging among my own local circle. Ramble time:

I’m an adult re-rider, very much a novice but with over 15 years of experience owning and learning how to work and handle my family’s horses, as well as those for an arab show barn at one point (warm-up surcingle stuff, tacking, bandages etc I had a health condition preventing me from riding but still got my fix in). At my current barn we are seriously hurting for lesson horses. In fact, one of our VERY best once in a lifetime equine maetros was recently laid to rest, putting a strain on everyone else. From my chats with the trainers and management it has been HELL finding new schoolies (the kind that are gentle and can take a joke), and their budget is reasonable (mid-5 figures) and they have been looking literal states away. These lesson horses have it made, by the way — super nice place, horse is always first.

My usual schoolie is an amazing old gal. She has bolted under me twice, and once saved both our butts by swirling out of range of an angry mare who decided to try and kick her in the arena, but is indeed a reliable soul. However she is now doing double time to take on the kids who are without a horse now that we are missing one. I am on the cusp of riding more advanced horses and have, but still taking it slow and developing my foundation with as much time as it takes (currently this means a quiet canter seat and two point exercises to help my core strength in posting).

Via an ISO ad on fb, out of over 40 responses (mostly not matching my terms in any shape) I found a young OTTB whom I drove out a few hours to meet and try. Was quiet enough to be trusted by a pregnant rider for a hack after two weeks vacation. After a PPE she came home. Coming five, track trained but unraced, doing basic stuff under saddle and pretty dang quiet. She does have her moments and quirks but honestly, she was such a near-deadhead at first that it’s been nice to see this youngster open up and have an actual personality.

There was NO way I could afford a middle aged or older, made and Done It All type. Even this green TB with the basics was more expensive than she would’ve been five years ago. And, with my experience in horse ownership and the fact that our barn’s schoolies are stretched so thin, I decided to buy my own horse. After I recover from this surgery I will be riding her in private lessons while
my trainer continues to bring her along on other days, and touch wood I think in a few solid years she absolutely has the disposition to be a packer. I haven’t been out there to see her a ton lately thanks to job, surprise family obligations, my own health yadda yadda, but I do ensure she has top-notch farrier care, well-researched supplements and quality hay, piles of bedding, turnout, expensive blankets of various weights to get her short-haired California self through our harsh winter, bodywork, pro saddle fitter visits, the very best trainer to help us both on a full time basis, etc etc. (A big part of me is living out my horse-deprived but fervently horse-obsessed childhood dreams of pampering a glorious mount, I think).

With the prices the way they are I went and got a youthful green bean, yes — but was decidedly very picky about her basic mental traits and have plenty of professional assistance. The market is just so WEIRD…even with rising hay prices!

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Wait…your trainer can’t find a good school horse for $50,000?! Please tell me you meant something different. Where are you?

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More like 15,000 as upper end :sweat_smile: Low fives, not mid. Not sure why I wrote that.

This market is so crazy! I am hoping to be able to start shopping in a few months and I’m seriously considering getting a (very nicely jumper-bred) yearling/two year old and taking the gamble that it will end up being what I want instead of trying to find even a similar quality 3 year old that I can afford. When looking before my backup plan has always been unbroke/barely broke 3 year old, but I’d much rather have something going, for obvious reasons. I honestly don’t think I am going to find something I like in my budget even at 3!

Also, the perfect practice horse ad is nuts. The person is basically looking for the horse the majority of the market wants, but because it’s not going to be a show horse she wants it to be cheap. “Well, you plebes might think this 100% sound/jumps 3’/has no vices horse is worth a lot, but compared to my show horse it’s garbage, so I shouldn’t have to shell out much of anything, right?”

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Yes, the idea of a “practice horse” sounds like using a living creature much like getting a pair of tall boots to get scuffed up while schooling, versus your show boots.

The ad that took me aback recently was a free lease (which usually means paying all expenses like board, vet bills, farrier, and such, just no monthly fee) on a horse with kissing spine, sound for light flatting at the w/t/c, for an experienced rider only looking to get more saddle time as the horse was described as quite spooky. It really sounded like, “hey, would you pay to rehab and retrain my horse.” I’m going to hope the person writing the ad really didn’t understand what a free lease means.

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Could you DM me the name too please? I’m on the hunt for help as I also have started having panic attacks when riding. My gelding has a random stop and spin that has unnerved me (but not unseated me as it is slow but it feels HUGE because he is huge). I know what to do when it happens but I now freeze and go fetal and it’s messing with me big time.

Sorry to continue on the wrong rail OP. :blush:

Several people asked and I think the world of her so I’ll just post it publicly…

I have used Nancy Bloom for sports psychology. She combines a Ph.D. Psychologist background/education with being a hunter/jumper trainer so to me she combines the best of both worlds. She really knows horses and she really knows people. And she has been in the hunter/jumper world more than long enough to know the difference between show nerves someone can work through and a real psychological issue that needs more than just sensitive coaching. She’s well know in my general area and sees people individually as well as done clinics.

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:rofl:

Ah, hope springs eternal.

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It’s a real oldie, but “Darling Clementine” has the perfect rhythm to sing while trotting. I had to go online to look up all the lyrics (so morbid, I love it!), but once I taught it to a beginner that I was working with, we both fell in love with the song. And it really does release tension.

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After I posted I decided to calculate the interest-only payment on a loan like this, and it came out to a very reasonable $167/mo. Obviously it doesn’t take into consideration all of the expenses associated with maintaining and developing said horse, but as far as borrowing costs go, it’s not crazy. I just know I’d be too worried something would go wrong, and I’d be stuck with an injured/underperforming horse while repaying that significant sum of money. But I’m a natural worrier and rather risk-averse, so :woman_shrugging:

Well this just goes to show how out of the loop I am when it comes to owning or competing at that level (or any level, actually). My horses have cost $500 and $400, respectively :rofl: So what do I know!

Regardless, I’m so fascinated by this concept of flipping horses (spoken by someone who used to be obsessed with those house-flipping shows, and sees many similarities between the two situations) and hope it works out for them :slight_smile:

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Thanks so much. :grinning:

Gosh, I see these two investments as being incredibly different. When it comes to house flipping, there is nothing that can’t be fixed with the right expertise and money. But horses? No way. There are about a thousand things that could go insurmountably wrong. It’s so much riskier.

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I have been teaching for years and years and years. These students are extremely frustrating if you are coming from the “I teach riding” angle, because they have such opposing forces going on within themselves. They Are attracted to horses, they want to be around horses, and riding scares the beJesus out of them and triggers a tremendous amount of crippling anxiety. Yet they keep coming back because they don’t know how else to connect.

At some point, I realized that I was a riding teacher and these people did not really need a riding teacher… This could be some sort of therapeutic endeavor for them…however, intense Anxiety is not therapeutic. It is a completely different thing than somebody choosing to jump out of an airplane because they enjoy the rush. These people are not enjoying the rush…apples and oranges.

So change gear. I had to… What they’re really looking for is connection to the horse. If all they are being offered is riding, they think that’s all they should/can do. That really might be too big a step.
Teach her about horse body language.
Teach her how to lunge correctly.
Teach her how to do clicker training! R positive training a super fun for everybody, and the horses love it.
Teach her how to clip, pull manes, braid.
Take pictures of the horse (with her) when he’s all cleaned up.
Teach her how to set fences and distances.
Maybe ad some walking riding. If she asked for it.
Start a conversation about what she likes about horses. It will give you important information.

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Really really really good point. I will have a good conversation with her on the next lesson.

I suspect her guardians will be upset if she doesn’t ride. I’ll cross that bridge when I get there.

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Good Luck! it is a real learning experience for us as Horse-guides also. It forces us to stretch out of our own version of “how to be with a horse”.
I think that my normal teaching as much improved because I chose to step away from my typical path to try to help some of these conflicted people.
Your girl might really love being a sort of a working student in training. It could make her feel important. That worked for one of my kids.

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Why do you think this is unreasonable? If it is a little older, and needs a lot of maintenance to jump 3’6, for example, and will get excellent care to jump 3’ a couple times a week, this would be a great way to keep one in work and useful. This is the very definition of a good, useful school horse
A junior horse that needs to step down, a 1.20m horse that needs to jump lower; giving these horses good jobs with good care could possibly extend their lives

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