26 Welsh ponies in danger in Michigan

[QUOTE=Lori B;4243537]
Geez, people, if it’s a govt. seizure, who cares what the state of Michigan gets? Seriously? No owner is harmed by bidder collusion, which was proposed in the name of coordinating efforts to keep ponies out of the hands of kill buyers.[/QUOTE]

From earlier in the thread:This is NOT an ESTATE or SIEZURE Sale… It is a Divorce COURT ORDERED Disperal Sale.

You are giving it to the owners of the ponies. You harm the good guy to get the bad guy?

Hopefully it will be like the sale in Canada. The kill buyers wouldn’t have a shot. The best breeders and concerned people were packing the place. The only ones who didn’t fetch decent prices were crossbreds with absolutely no description, not even age. :slight_smile:

I added the 2 y/o brown mare to my list.

#12 & #13 are my top picks.

I fear I am the one who introduced the word “dibs” I just wanted to clarify that I meant it in a lighthearted manner, not as any kind of absolute.

I’m sorry if it came across that way.

After all, I’m only bidding as a proxy (not that I don’t have the preferences of my buyers in mind :))

I haven’t put my name on the poll yet, because it’s looking like there is interest in every pony !

Just curious

So, I would LIKE to know who said the pony was a crypt? a vet? and he is for sure and is there proof of this?? Gelding can mount as we all know…and I had one who used to do it often within the year he was gelded.

[QUOTE=SSFLandon;4244534]
So, I would LIKE to know who said the pony was a crypt? a vet? and he is for sure and is there proof of this?? Gelding can mount as we all know…and I had one who used to do it often within the year he was gelded.[/QUOTE]

I have one that will still do it…6 years after he was gelded :rolleyes:

I think it is great that all of you are trying to make sure each pony gets a home, as well as the sheep, and that none go to the kill buyers. Someone said one of the canadian ponies went for $100, and was worried about the final destination of that pony.

It is not illegal for all of you to agree to bid or not bid on certain ponies. At the high end tb auctions, some people do this, altho some do get into bidding wars for racing prospects. Your goal is to keep the ponies from going to the kill buyers, a good cause, so don’t let the people who complain bother you.

Good luck to all of you and to the ponies and 2 sheep, hopefully everyone of them will be bought for the lowest prices and go to good homes.

Saving Ponies

Were at a show tommrow but will try hard to get there can take 3=5 , Ponies are so much littler than horses what’s a few more. I know a couple kill guys that have a heart and will let me buy what i want, will try our very best to get there

Wildwind Michigan

I just ran across this and am amazed at the lack of factual information. Kill buyers or the slaughtering facilities do not want ponies. To put it bluntly there is not enough meat on them to mess with. When you see a kill buyer buying a pony it is for resale…All it will take from any of you is picking up the phone and calling a processing plant to find that out.

Second, why should people have to “check in” so rescues don’t bid against each other? What about all the other private buyers out there that don’t check into the internet to get permission from you guys?

Don’t most rescues run on donated money? Why in the heck would you bid against private buyers just because they don’t “check in”? Especially if they are not at risk?

This is why I have lost all respect for rescues that have to purchase animals…there are so many out there that are in real need of help.

OK, so not everyone is going to get a pony. Nobody yet knows who will get what, but we all hope and pray that someone gets the sweet one-eyed mare, or the one with the injured leg, because they are most at risk. Those people could have significant vet bills.

I’m sure there are COTH’ers who might be willing to help underwrite some of these expenses, regardless of their tax deductibility. How would we know how to contact them?

[QUOTE=bustedupcowgirl;4244596]
I just ran across this and am amazed at the lack of factual information. Kill buyers or the slaughtering facilities do not want ponies. To put it bluntly there is not enough meat on them to mess with. When you see a kill buyer buying a pony it is for resale…All it will take from any of you is picking up the phone and calling a processing plant to find that out.

Second, why should people have to “check in” so rescues don’t bid against each other? What about all the other private buyers out there that don’t check into the internet to get permission from you guys?

Don’t most rescues run on donated money? Why in the heck would you bid against private buyers just because they don’t “check in”? Especially if they are not at risk?

This is why I have lost all respect for rescues that have to purchase animals…there are so many out there that are in real need of help.[/QUOTE]

I realize this thread has gotten quite long, so perhaps you haven’t read through the entire thing. There have been posts that kill buyers do not buy ponies. Others have said that isn’t always necessarily so. I’d guess a chubby pony would generate about as much meat as a skinny small horse, so people don’t want to take the chance.

And I’m not aware of anyone posting here who is operating a rescue and planning to attend this particular auction to buy a pony with rescue funds. These are private people spending their own money to buy ponies that they feel are at risk.

And finally, if you peruse threads here, you’ll see plenty of these people stepping up to help horses in real need - the Leo thread is one heart-wrenching current example. There have been many, many more.

IMHO

[QUOTE=bustedupcowgirl;4244596]
I just ran across this and am amazed at the lack of factual information. Kill buyers or the slaughtering facilities do not want ponies. To put it bluntly there is not enough meat on them to mess with. When you see a kill buyer buying a pony it is for resale…All it will take from any of you is picking up the phone and calling a processing plant to find that out. Don’t know anything about this so can’t comment.

Second, why should people have to “check in” so rescues don’t bid against each other? What about all the other private buyers out there that don’t check into the internet to get permission from you guys? I still don’t get why people are so unclear about this. I don’t believe anyone buying is an official “rescue” operation. Rather somewhere it was stated that people wanted to rescue the ponies from possible bad ends. And no one is trying to stop private buyers who don’t participate in the COTH forum from bidding. The goal from post one was to help these ponies find safe, appropriate homes. Maybe due to the good will this thread has seemed to generate people just want to check in and actually meet each other f2f. Having looked at the poll indicating interest in certain ponies, I’m betting there will be some bidding battles among the COTHers. Have fun! :smiley:

Don’t most rescues run on donated money? Why in the heck would you bid against private buyers just because they don’t “check in”? Especially if they are not at risk?Again, no one is trying to bid against private buyers, only to make sure there are appropriate buyers there.

This is why I have lost all respect for rescues that have to purchase animals…there are so many out there that are in real need of help.[/QUOTE]
I agree there are many horses and ponies in need of help, especially in these economic times. How nice that because of this thread there are a few private buyers stepping forward to do so when many legitimate rescue operations are filled to overflowing with needy animals.

[QUOTE=stryder;4244621]
I realize this thread has gotten quite long, so perhaps you haven’t read through the entire thing. There have been posts that kill buyers do not buy ponies. Others have said that isn’t always necessarily so. I’d guess a chubby pony would generate about as much meat as a skinny small horse, so people don’t want to take the chance.

And I’m not aware of anyone posting here who is operating a rescue and planning to attend this particular auction to buy a pony with rescue funds. These are private people spending their own money to buy ponies that they feel are at risk.

And finally, if you peruse threads here, you’ll see plenty of these people stepping up to help horses in real need - the Leo thread is one heart-wrenching current example. There have been many, many more.

IMHO[/QUOTE]

:yes::yes::yes:

[QUOTE=stryder;4244621]
I realize this thread has gotten quite long, so perhaps you haven’t read through the entire thing. There have been posts that kill buyers do not buy ponies. Others have said that isn’t always necessarily so. I’d guess a chubby pony would generate about as much meat as a skinny small horse, so people don’t want to take the chance.

IMHO[/QUOTE]

They do NOT want skinny horses either. They turn them down. So what about what people have said here? Call the processing plants yourself…they will laugh at you if you ask them to take a pony or skinny horse.

I think it’s great if this thread brings in more private buyers…but that does not change the fact that the cross posts that are going out are screaming “kill buyer” when in fact that is not true. Also bidding against someone because they do not check in and seek permission is BS.

No, I did not read the entire thread but there are also rescue groups on other forums that are planning on buying…whoops, “saving” some of these ponies…that’s what led me to this thread.

If people would get the word out about these sales without all the false hysteria everyone would be better off.

anyone???

still want to know why the one pony is deemed a crypt? ANYONE?? what proof is there???

I would consider this auction just like any other. People will go, bid, buy, pay and move on…if they are true to what they say. As others have pointed out there are TONS of people out there that we don’t even know about who could be in attendance…

although it’s nice to have some idea of what ponies are not wanted I think it’s unrealistic to make polls and find then accurate though it was fun to fill out…

it’s going to be just a wait and see…

[QUOTE=bustedupcowgirl;4244653]
They do NOT want skinny horses either. They turn them down. So what about what people have said here? Call the processing plants yourself…they will laugh at you if you ask them to take a pony or skinny horse.

I think it’s great if this thread brings in more private buyers…but that does not change the fact that the cross posts that are going out are screaming “kill buyer” when in fact that is not true. Also bidding against someone because they do not check in and seek permission is BS.

No, I did not read the entire thread but there are also rescue groups on other forums that are planning on buying…whoops, “saving” some of these ponies…that’s what led me to this thread.

If people would get the word out about these sales without all the false hysteria everyone would be better off.[/QUOTE]

In four days, this sale has gone from an unadvertised, local event to one that has been brought to the attention of pony lovers across the country, and some from other countries. Many people have stepped forward to make sure that every pony gets a good home, even those with health issues. All of that is good.

There have been posters who wanted to warn off other bidders, and they have been rebuked. It’s commonly acknowledged that it’s a public sale, and those from the COTH community will be bidding against others who are willing and able to give the ponies good, safe homes.

Two things I’ve learned in my relatively short time with COTH: not everyone reads with the same level of comprehension, and some are more prone to hysteria than others. But all deeply love their horses (or ponies) and will do almost anything to help them. No one wants to be the one who complacently thought, “Oh, the kill buyers don’t want ponies,” and did nothing, only to later find out that someone threw a couple into a load.

:yes::yes::yes:Excellent post, Stryder.

bustedupcowgirl

I am a legitmate rescue who does not buy horses at auction. Not that I dont want to but I cant afford it and I know myself well enough to know, I will buy the three legged horse that will never be adopted. Not conducive to continue operations but that is where my heart lies. I have bought several horses for peanuts from auctions but only because I was told ahead of time of there being there and they were beyond help. eg, a foal with a broken leg. Not old enough to be weaned but when he broke his leg, they took him to an auction. There he was thrown in with the slaughter bound herd, trying to nurse on mares and geldings alike as he starved to death slowly, dragging along a broken leg. Yes, I bought him and had him euthanized immediately.

But, here is my point. I am a Canadian, I am an animal inspections officer and I worked at auctions and slaughter yards. IF these ponies are bought by Canadian killbuyers, believe me, they will and do go to slaughter. They are paid by the pound no matter what. Yes, if they get a good saddle horse or a desirable, they sell them instead of slaughter them as there is more money in that. Every meat dealer I ever met, had a field of horses for sale, not slaughter. But…unbroke ponies unless they are really fancy, they are meatbound.

Another thing with Canadian kill buyers. They do so buy skinny horses. They put them on pasture and fatten them up. Again, they are paid by the pound. For a lot of the horses, this was the most humane treatment they had received in a long time. Food and lots of it. You see, when the horses are bought in the US, the price is by the pound at time of pickup. So, shippers dont give a hoot how much weight they lose after that. But, in Canada, they are paid by the weight when they get to the plant. Makes a huge difference.

There are a lot of ponies going to an auction where easily a kill buyer could purchase them. They are close enough to the border to make it worth there while. Here in GA, the dealer wouldnt bother coming here which is why most of our auctions are closed. Up north, a different story.

These ponies are at risk and the cothers are simply trying to ensure that they all get a good home instead of taking the wrong road. No harm done. And even if it were rescues attending, often, the Cothers raise the funds for a rescue to go and purchase. Believe it or not, we have a bit more clout. The meat dealers will often give us a break.

I applaud all efforts at the attempt to ensure the end for these ponies is a good one. Be they a rescue who purchases them or a private individual. Some people support rescues who will buy from the auctions and some wont. Its a personal thing. But, I dont know many people who will support a rescue who buys the horses and then sells them for a profit instead of adopting them. Saving horses or ponies always comes with a price be it before hand or after. None of them are free.

I just got Leo for free. hahahahhahah I could not have done half as much for him as has been done without this group of people. And he got a home and a few behind that one. People helped Little Leo as well as his new mommy. He cost every bit as much as these ponies will go for and likely more.

This is simply a good gesture, no harm is meant to anyone, nor is it a bid to keep others from getting the pony of there dreams. This is meant to keep the more undesirables from going the wrong way.

AMEN!

[QUOTE=bustedupcowgirl;4244653]
They do NOT want skinny horses either. They turn them down. So what about what people have said here? Call the processing plants yourself…they will laugh at you if you ask them to take a pony or skinny horse.

I think it’s great if this thread brings in more private buyers…but that does not change the fact that the cross posts that are going out are screaming “kill buyer” when in fact that is not true. Also bidding against someone because they do not check in and seek permission is BS.

No, I did not read the entire thread but there are also rescue groups on other forums that are planning on buying…whoops, “saving” some of these ponies…that’s what led me to this thread.

If people would get the word out about these sales without all the false hysteria everyone would be better off.[/QUOTE] Wow, you’re such a peach. For one, how are you qualified to speak for every kill buyer or slaughter house on earth? Your logic is flawed and you’re quite frankly uninformed about what the purpose of people discussing which ponies they want is. Is your only point on this forum to advertise this other forum in your signature? Looks like it to me and it’s extremely tacky.