350 days-no bag? UPDATE post 83

[bornfreenowexpensive]

@mpsbarnmanager;6254589

I’m so incredibly sad. Vet said she probably lost it between the 30 day check and 60 days. I never noticed anything amiss. He said past a certain point they produce a hormone and do not come back into heat for the season. I do have a LFG, but it is from a stallion owner that is unlikely to honor it, so I don’t know if I will try again, especially since I don’t know what caused her to loose this one. Not willing to flush a bunch more money and I am sure DH will not either. This so totally sucks. Time for miss fatty to start her diet. Halfway surprised she hasn’t foundered if she’s not in foal. Damn it.

A whole lot of things can cause them to lose it. I would try again if you can get the stallion owner to honor.

I lost my first foal. My mare carried basically full term and aborted on day 336. Pretty filly (what I wanted). Nothing seemed wrong with the foal, we did a necropsy and they could find nothing wrong. Basically crap happens.

I did breed her again and got a very pretty and fancy filly in 2010. That filly was champion of her inspection and is now a lovely 2 year old. I’m waiting for my mare’s next foal due end of May.

It is hard to lose them…but just because you don’t know why she lost it this time doesn’t mean she will lose the next one. Sorry you are going through this!

[Laurierace]

If they don’t honor their own contract sue the living crap out of them. We as mare owners must hold them accountable each and every time. So sorry for your loss, I am also sad you had to wait and watch so long not knowing there was nothing to see.

[Home_Again_Farm]

I am so sorry. Last year I had three mares lose their pregnancies sometime after 35 days. Unfortunately, it can happen and the mare can go on to have perfectly normal pregnancies later. I hope that you can get the stallion owner to do the right thing and honor the lfg.

[lyrical]

don’t give up, even though you feel discouraged right now. You have a very nice mare, and sometimes you just have to stick with your program and push forward. If you’re interested, I have a couple of suggestions that might help. Just PM me.

[StGermain]

My condolences.

What was the “heartbeat” the vet heard in March?

StG

[can_t_re]

I’m very sorry - I know this comes as a huge disappointment to you.
If you would like to breed your mare back, hold the stallion owner to the contract.

[Ambitious_Kate]

I’m sorry this happened, but why were you unaware that the mare was open? Don’t breeders conscientiously do palpations? How about ultrasounds? It seems incredulous to me that you would be unaware that the mare was not carrying for an entire year, wherein you thought she was in foal. How does that happen?

[Ambitious_Kate]

You are all up in arms about suing the stallion owner, what about the vet who said he heard a heartbeat? why is the stallion owner to blame? Why didn’t the vet to an ultrasound? Did you tell him not to? Why? No money? Why didn’t the vet palpate? This is not new science, there are ways to ensure you still have a foal all during the pregnancy, I don’t understand why the mare’s vet checks weren’t performed?

I have to say, I am not a breeder, and I look at that mare’s belly and it is not a pregnant mare. She’s obese and not carrying for a foal, why would you think she was pregnant?

[lyrical]

AK, I have to ask, are you trolling here?

Yes, I understand that you are not a breeder, that’s obvious by your questions. However, ignorance is not an excuse for the tone of your posts. Maybe someone else will have the patience to educate you, but I have to get out to the barn on this glorious spring morning because we have a mare to breed today and a new life to plan for!

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=Ambitious Kate;6255467]
You are all up in arms about suing the stallion owner, what about the vet who said he heard a heartbeat? why is the stallion owner to blame? Why didn’t the vet to an ultrasound? Did you tell him not to? Why? No money? Why didn’t the vet palpate? This is not new science, there are ways to ensure you still have a foal all during the pregnancy, I don’t understand why the mare’s vet checks weren’t performed?

I have to say, I am not a breeder, and I look at that mare’s belly and it is not a pregnant mare. She’s obese and not carrying for a foal, why would you think she was pregnant?[/QUOTE]

This issue is NOT the lost preg. this year. That happens…all the time. It isn’t the fault of the vet or stallion owner or anyone. There is no-one to sue over it.

The comments about the stallion owner come because the OP stated that they didn’t think they would honor their LFG (Live Foal Guarantee). This is what mare owners pay for. If your mare doesn’t catch…or, like this case, the mare loses the foal/pregn…you can try and bred again without paying the stud fee again (you do pay the collecting fees).

It is a contract dispute. The stud fees are generally higher because they include the LFG. So folks are commenting that the OP should re-bred the mare…and hold the stallion owner to the LFG and the OP should not have to pay the full stud fee again.

[Laurierace]

I have seen the contract, it has a very generous breed back policy for the live foal guarantee that is signed by both parties. It isn’t worth the paper it is written on if the stallion owner doesn’t honor that contract however. Hopefully that won’t be the case and everything will go fine the second time around. Bottom line, it is a legal document and the mare owner has every right to enforce that in court if necessary.

[Nojacketrequired]

I’ve got a bad feeling about who the stallion owner might be, that the OP would immediately assume they won’t honor the guarantee.

A little Red Wine, anyone?

NJR

[Laurierace]

Close.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

Honestly…if the OP wants to try again, they should. Until the stallion owner says they will not honor…I wouldn’t assume they will not honor it.

Typically the times you see issues with LFG when the SO has sold the stallion or the stallion has died.

[2WBs1TB]

I didn’t get the feeling that AKate was trolling. She asked some of the same questions as I was asking myself. Why wasn’t the mare palpated after 60 days to make sure she hadn’t resorbed the foetus and why wasn’t she ultrasounded at some point to make sure there were no anomalies, like twins? Had this been done, she would have known 300 days ago the mare was open.

I’m not even going into the whole fescue thing…

[Hilltopfarmva]

I have a mare that lost her first pregnancy after the 60 day check. I noticed by January she was not looking like the other mares, so I had her palpated. No baby. Last year I bred her to Figaro B, I wanted to make sure I did not lose this baby, so I had bloodwork done on the mare. Progestrone was low, so on with the regumate. Checked progestrone at 7th month and it was 8.1, vet suggested weaning her off Regumate. So I did. Though, having my suspicions I pulled the blood myself at 3 weeks off of Regumate, going into the mares 8th month, also did a total estrogen. can’t remember the estrogen, but the progestrone had dropped to 4.2, so back on regumate she went. I got a beautiful filly on day 338.
So, first timers need to be diligent and your vets need to be educated and offer suggestions. Most vets will not be trying to rip you off by suggesting bloodwork. If it is your first time or a new mare for you that you do not know the breeding history, then an extra $50 here or there for bloodwork can be the difference between a foal and no foal.
I did have one abort this year at day 317, but her pregnancy had been troubled since day 250. So sometimes you can do everything and spend tons of money, but nature says not this time.

[back_in_the_saddle]

Doesn’t matter if the horse was palpated or not. She could have lost it at 70 days, 100 days, and never known it.

[QUOTE=2WBs1TB;6255607]

I’m not even going into the whole fescue thing…[/QUOTE]

Fescue thing??? They only need to be pulled off the last 3 months or so. Does nothing to harm a pregnancy at the beginning.

[back_in_the_saddle]

It’s really great when the mare owner (who lost a foal) offers up their mare to help an orphan. Kudos to that owner!

[maybedog]

We had a mare checked in foal, good HB check and even fetal sexing (colt). By Oct she wasn’t looking so pregnant and sure enough no fetus found on ultrasound! So disappointed ! She was in foal to Romanov.Today we are at day 315 with a Benetton Dream foal. She’s starting to bag up nicely. Here she is with her 2010 Sir Donnerhall filly. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2806754132757&set=a.1322234660698.2041795.1375790007&type=3&theater Hope that worked. I always have trouble trying to post FB links! Or this one http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1322234660698.2041795.1375790007&type=3&l=6573e12443

[alliekat]

[QUOTE=maybedog;6255667]
We had a mare checked in foal, good HB check and even fetal sexing (colt). By Oct she wasn’t looking so pregnant and sure enough no fetus found on ultrasound! So disappointed ! She was in foal to Romanov.Today we are at day 315 with a Benetton Dream foal. She’s starting to bag up nicely. Here she is with her 2010 Sir Donnerhall filly. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2806754132757&set=a.1322234660698.2041795.1375790007&type=3&theater Hope that worked. I always have trouble trying to post FB links! Or this one http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1322234660698.2041795.1375790007&type=3&l=6573e12443[/QUOTE]

What a beautiful mare!!!