sounds like OP’s financial picture was problematic with out adding horses to the mix.
OP- getting a good financial planner/adviser and therapist might be good ways to learn from this sad experience and find a way to not let this all happen again
you seem very very troubled over this and having a hard time letting go. no shame in getting help.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8749789]
I get that losing a “soul horse” hurts. I also get that if you can’t afford that soul horse you’ve got to move them on down the road. That’s just the way things are in a world where horses are a luxury. On that note, if you can’t afford $5000 for a horse you can’t afford a horse. That’s not a “stretch”; it’s reality.
Writing a blog and coming to the COTH Forum is not suffering in silence.
You sound clinically depressed; if that is true you need professional help to move past it. Get it.
G.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate vxf’s clarification on her point and, since the bolded seems to be directed at my comment even though you didn’t quote me, I will say that you must live in a very different “reality” than the rest of us. :lol: I love COTH for it’s wisdom and sense of community, but after 16 years I can’t help but chuckle a little when somebody trots out this line.
An emergency fund is a reasonable thing to have, sure, but I wouldn’t spend $5k on a horse whether we’re talking purchase price or emergency surgery or to “rescue”/save/buy back even my best horse of a lifetime. But I’ve been accused of being pragmatic before.
OP, you made the best decision you could at the time. I can understand you feeling a sense of loss over selling a horse that you loved. However, it seems that sense of loss is weighing on you in a way that is excessive. I think you should seek a counselor.
Your claims regarding the horse’s health issues come across as bizarre. I wouldn’t sell you a horse–you don’t seem to be thinking clearly. I don’t mean that in an unkind way. I get the impression that you need to take care of yourself and focus on getting yourself in a better place instead of blaming others for the way things worked out. I’m sorry, but the other people that you are blaming are NOT at fault from anything I can tell.
From what has been posted, your previously owned horse does not appear to be in any imminent danger, in fact she appears well cared for. While I’m sure your intentions were good when you created that gofundme page, it is offensive to ask strangers to help you buy back a $5000 luxury pet that requires very expensive upkeep that you couldn’t afford in the first place. Sorry, no.
I do not intend my comments unkindly. I intend them as a reality check. We’ve all done things we regret in our lives and many of us have at times found those regrets overwhelming. But in many cases, the best course of action is to move on as gracefully and responsibly as you can.
Horses that are actively selling for $5000 do not usually hit the slaughter pipeline. Sounds like an overreaction on the part of the OP.
It is quite possible that the horse has a better home now than before, since among other things she’s likely getting vaccinations and proper veterinary care. It may be that she is very well loved and will be there for her lifetime. Actually, in this price category that’s a way higher probability than ending up on a slaughter truck, which is at present only ± 1%.
Moral of this story is, if you want to keep control of a horse, keep control of the horse. Do not rely on magical thinking to suppose that a buyer cannot have their situation change, and wish to dispose of their property at a later date. The operative word here IS “property.” If you let it legally out of your hands, you have little or no influence down the road.
Fortunately, most respectable “animal people” tend to do the right thing.
[QUOTE=Heinz 57;8750362]
I appreciate vxf’s clarification on her point and, since the bolded seems to be directed at my comment even though you didn’t quote me, I will say that you must live in a very different “reality” than the rest of us. :lol: I love COTH for it’s wisdom and sense of community, but after 16 years I can’t help but chuckle a little when somebody trots out this line.
An emergency fund is a reasonable thing to have, sure, but I wouldn’t spend $5k on a horse whether we’re talking purchase price or emergency surgery or to “rescue”/save/buy back even my best horse of a lifetime. But I’ve been accused of being pragmatic before.[/QUOTE]
Count me in as another pragmatic one. It is somewhat elitist to insist that only people with massive amounts of spare money should have horses.
"Hello all,
This is a post concerning horse welfare. I am attempting to warn other horse buyers out there to prevent a horse from being “recycled”. This horse is going to be put up for sale without the fact announced that this 18 year old mare has health issues. She is a papered Hanoverian mare however papers don’t matter in this situation. What sites can I go to that can help me with this?
I have the original veterinarian work ups that prove the issues with this mare. she needs specialized care. I can’t get the mare back because I took a friend’s word and never wrote up papers that I would get her back if she did not work out. So now I am stuck as I was promised the horse back if it didn’t work out and now the price is jacked up the price so high I can’t buy her back. And fund raising on go f me is so slow it is too late.
UPDATE: 6/26
The horse is sold. I have uploaded weeks ago (as I felt I best do this) all veterinarian records to the AHS where the horse’s papers are.verysad They will disclose all veterinarian paperwork along with the diagnosis and care instructions along with the registration to any new owners. Of course this does not mean the new owners whoever they are will follow Dr. Whittaker’s care instructions which worked. Any how if the EIMMS (equine immune mediated myofascial syndrome) which is an auto immune problem, this causes the horse tremendous pain, and if anyone tries to ride she will be resistant and buck. The heart is also a muscle so if the auto immune is triggered by yearly vaccines, then the heart also gets attacked by the immune system. She needs integrated veterinary medicine or she will continue to go down hill. " (bold is mine)
OP and Hanosaurus (assuming an old COTH log in) are the same person.
:lol::lol::lol:
I am another who does not spend a lot on horses, but spend yes you do. They need to be fed (we make our own hay), to be wormed, to be vaccinated. They need water which we have to buy if we run out. I use debrisol and tru blue for wounds which still costs money. Our farrier is our neighbour who does it for free, but we do give them round bales and lend machinery for barter.
If you don’t want something that needs time and money spent on it, buy a push bike. But you will still be up for brake pads, tubes and tyres! As well as a repair kit and pump.
So…is this a real thing? Does the heart muscle really get “attacked” by vaccines? What does that even mean (“attacked?”)
Just to comment about the “if you can’t afford $5K for the horse” comments…I don’t think you have to be rich to own a horse, or necessarily buy a $5K horse…but really; that’s not expensive in terms of buying price for a mature horse with decent training (and no show record.)
You could get one for less, sure, but not a lot less. And I agree that if you can’t afford $5K…what will you do if the horse has a medical emergency? Maybe you have a kindly aunt or grandmother that will lend you the money…but that’s not a smart plan. A fracture, colic, or ligament rehab might easily cost $5K in a matter of hours/weeks.
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This must be a very rare condition, since a Google search turns up nothing. It’s odd that it is exacerbated by vaccination and the side effects present as abscesses.
I believe in holistic treatment for animals and humans, but this sounds a bit “out there” even for me.[/QUOTE]
I know nothing about that disease (that the OP is talking about) or how it works but I do own a horse that vaccines cause an allergic reaction that leads to laminitis which can lead to abscesses so maybe that is part of what the OP is trying to say?
The whole situation is strange.
Not being able to afford the horse when the horse is offered back does not mean the person you sold the horse to is not following the contract.
And re: the free-lease vs. sale issue… If I had a horse who was truly my “soul horse,” I’m pretty sure I’d want to get them back whether sound OR lame, but that’s just me…
Two different (although possibly related, I guess) diagnoses.
Now that the acronym has been expanded, one knows what to search for.
Dr. Alan Shoen likens it to fibromyalgia in humans. and proposes that it is very often linked to Lyme disease. No mention of foot abscesses.
I would hazard a guess that the part about vaccines potentially “attacking” cardiac muscle is a poorly worded interpretation of what might occur in an immune-mediated inflammatory response, but I’d like to see some documentation rather than speculation that occurs.
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;8752252]
Two different (although possibly related, I guess) diagnoses.
Now that the acronym has been expanded, one knows what to search for.
Dr. Alan Shoen likens it to fibromyalgia in humans. and proposes that it is very often linked to Lyme disease. No mention of foot abscesses.
I would hazard a guess that the part about vaccines potentially “attacking” cardiac muscle is a poorly worded interpretation of what might occur in an immune-mediated inflammatory response, but I’d like to see some documentation rather than speculation that occurs.[/QUOTE]
It would seem that since the horse is thriving under her more recent management, which does not necessarily subscribe to this “Dx,” the “woo” here is a lot more relevant to the OP than to her former horse. Tends to follow words like “organic,” and “but only for the eggs, you understand.”
ONLY the OP can possibly take proper care of the horse, do the math.
Fibromyalgia (and chronic Lyme) are still controversial in human medicine, thought to be tied in to a strong mental component related to clinical depression. Not sure how you’d conjure that up in a horse, but we know the pathways for “woo” are infinite as long as someone’s writing checks.:winkgrin:
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8752279]
we know the pathways for “woo” are infinite as long as someone’s writing checks.:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Love it
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8752279]
ONLY the OP can possibly take proper care of the horse, do the math. [/QUOTE]
Agreed with this.
And to echo someone else upthread - vets (and human docs) disagreeing with each other (especially when dealing with a poorly understood diagnosis/clinical picture) is NOT negligence. Negligence occurs, for ex, when the doc fails to follow the accepted standard of care for x condition, but for that standard to exist and be widely accepted, the condition would no longer be controversial and the standard would be in the literature and taught in schools as the standard.
http://drschoen.com/article/AJTCVMarticle.pdf
The point of the thread was to alert those who are prey to being taken advantage of and getting shit in writing before one is robbed of something precious to them…
[QUOTE=jetsmom;8749738]
Its a special holistic chain that has magnetic effects that keep the horse’s aura in line with true North. Prevents a special medical condition called “HYABTD” (Having your aura bite the dust). Only special holistic medical supply houses carry them. But you get a free carrot stick with every purchase.
OP…I’m actually sorry you are hurting. But it’s late at night, I’m tired of reading about so much strife in the world, and I needed a little humor. I’m not actually mocking your feeling badly. Regardless of mistakes made that doesn’t remove the hurt and uncertainty of where your old horse is. The best thing you can do is get yourself on firm financial footing, send a note to the new owners to contact you if they ever need to sell her.[/QUOTE]
Done that already thanks for the kind advice.
[QUOTE=Gestalt;8749923]
OP I feel sorry for you, I think you need the horse more than it needs you. Your emotional state seems precarious.
I believe abcesses can be a result of toxicity. If the horse is intolerant of certain meds it could lead to founder, colic, or hoof abscesses.[/QUOTE]
I know.
I have two top notch holistic veterinarians which whom I learned a lot from and who have helped me with my critters when the conventional veterinarians COULD NOT.
[QUOTE=Gestalt;8749923]
OP I feel sorry for you, I think you need the horse more than it needs you. Your emotional state seems precarious.
I believe abcesses can be a result of toxicity. If the horse is intolerant of certain meds it could lead to founder, colic, or hoof abscesses.[/QUOTE]
BTW my emotional state is fine. Try having someone trick and manipulate you out of something precious and see how you feel…
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