Rodeo = my new favorite poster when I want some drama!
Saw she had posted numerous times on here after reading her “here’s how I’ll afford my horse in college and everyone else eff off even though I asked your opinion” thread and whaddaya know?? More drama surrounding her
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Linked below is a blog with thousands of posts about a pig farmer in Vermont.
He names many of his pigs, including Sows and Boars, and meat pigs destined for early death.
He tells of their antics and personalities and lives.
And eats them or sells their meat.
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/2006/02/20/piglet-cuteness/
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/2006/01/20/little-pigs-winter-piglets/
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/2014/07/14/south-field-sow-labor-name-that-sow/
He has his own butcher facility on site and yet there is no picture of a pig being killed…
there are pictures of sides of a named pig 1/2 carcass being cut up and the resulting chops, trotters, etc.
Farmers do not have trouble with all phases of life, including death.
And he has declined to sell or give any of his pigs to ‘pet’ people.
His animals are a part of his life, as he is a part of theirs.
This is as it should be.
Disrespecting farmers for admitting to killing their livestock is a bizarre reflection of the rational and emotional disconnect between those people living apart from nature and those living in nature.
One might say nonsensical.
-If one knew what that meant, of course.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for that blog link! What an eloquent writer with super cute pictures to boot.
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Assumption, much? ‘a majority view?’
5% is not a majority, last time I checked.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/156215/consider-themselves-vegetarians.aspx
Okay, gallup polls are not the most accurate measure, but if you believe all vegetarians are aligned with the ‘you can’t eat meat, just like my choice, because I know best, rant, rant’ folks, you are unreasonably optimistic.
What if it were 10%?
-Still not a majority.
Well, well, well.
ETA -Nice touch the farm war zealots. Sticks and stones…[/QUOTE]
What on earth are you talking about? JoZ expressed astonishment that Rodeo and I might actually disagree with the majority on this thread - which, of course, we do.
And, yes, a fair number of the most vocal posters on these hot-button threads invariably are farm war zealots. I think this is actually quite obvious, and they rarely even try to conceal it.
So . . . ? What of it?
I finally went to the farm’s facebook page and did some casual perusing. Their timeline itself is pretty chill, but the vitriol starts when you click to read the reviews…specifically the 1 and 2 star reviews. Lots of nasty people with zero personal experience with the farm are acting as keyboard warriors and tearing the farm apart with their biased and judgmental commentary. It made me incredibly sad to read it, especially when you see that the farm has responded to all of these hateful people with nothing but class and dignity.
I wish I lived closer to the farm so I could lend some support.
Also, for what it’s worth, I’m a city girl through and through…I live in Chicago proper and have for years. I have no problem whatsoever with naming an animal then slaughtering it. Hell, I hope they name their next cow “Lovey McPetsALot” and then slaughter it for their own consumption when the time comes. Fine with me, as long as it is raised and slaughtered humanely.
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Honestly, though, I’m pretty sure half the people in this “majority” of yours are farm-war zealots in their own right
…
I mean, it’s not like this is my first foray into one these hand-wringing, hair tearing, hot-button topics,[/QUOTE]
Please define “farm-war zealots”… just so we’re all on the same page.
The closest definition I can find is describing groups against corporate farming, GMOS and a small contingent of anti-vaxers who wish pain and suffering on farms that use GMO. Since this group is by large horse people who hate seeing small agribusiness threatened by ignorance… relevance? I mean I’m sure you had a point? People who eat meat vaccinate their children against deadly childhood diseases?
Please clear up the point of that little slur.
Thanks.
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What on earth are you talking about? JoZ expressed astonishment that Rodeo and I might actually disagree with the majority on this thread - which, of course, we do.
And, yes, a fair number of the most vocal posters on these hot-button threads invariably are farm war zealots. I think this is actually quite obvious, and they rarely even try to conceal it.
So . . . ? What of it?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know what a farm war zealot is…
provide a link, perhaps?
I apologize for missing that your post was a reference to the majority on this thread and not a ‘majority of city/suburbanites’ or a majority of objectors to the naming of meat animals.
Since it was stated that ‘most others’ not in farming would be in agreement with your collective position regarding Minnie, I wanted to see if that was so.
I believe the 5% vegetarian tends to support that position as false.
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Please define “farm-war zealots”… just so we’re all on the same page.
The closest definition I can find is describing groups against corporate farming, GMOS and a small contingent of anti-vaxers who wish pain and suffering on farms that use GMO. Since this group is by large horse people who hate seeing small agribusiness threatened by ignorance… relevance? I mean I’m sure you had a point? People who eat meat vaccinate their children against deadly childhood diseases?
Please clear up the point of that little slur.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
psst
name calling
The logical fallacies throughout this thread are textbook
http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm
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I don’t know what a farm war zealot is…
provide a link, perhaps?
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Since it was stated that ‘most others’ not in farming would be in agreement with your collective position regarding Minnie, I wanted to see if that was so.
I believe the 5% vegetarian tends to support that position as false.[/QUOTE]
I believe most in the state of Texas, even with its copious suburbs would be OK with a named production cow, just based on the lack of outrage at three ‘farm experiences’ in my local area. Never heard an ounce of outrage… or from the citizens who spent upwards of 200’ at the high school ffa auction… where all of the animals are introduced by name.
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I don’t know what a farm war zealot is…
provide a link, perhaps?
I apologize for missing that your post was a reference to the majority on this thread and not a ‘majority of city/suburbanites’ or a majority of objectors to the naming of meat animals.
Since it was stated that ‘most others’ not in farming would be in agreement with your collective position regarding Minnie, I wanted to see if that was so.
I believe the 5% vegetarian tends to support that position as false.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what “most others not in farming” think about the Minnie Debacle. I suspect they couldn’t care less.
Are you perhaps confusing me with Rodeo?
As for “farm warrior”, I bet you can figure that out for yourself.
These are the people who relentlessly campaign against the infernal machinations of the Humane Society, regularly refer to anybody who disapproves of CAFOs as a “Terrorist”, and just generally go ballistic over anything even vaguely related to “Animal Rights”.
I’ve always been surprised by the number of CotHers who hold such views, but, as I say, I really do enjoy the debating opportunities.
Since when does a genuine debate include ad hominem attacks?
I don’t believe you can call something an “ad hominem attack” if no specific person is mentioned.
Red Barn, since the only source I found alluding to farm wars was explicitly anti-montisano, anti-GMO, anti-factory farm and anti-vaxers… Obviously you will have to define your version of farm war zealot.
And really, anyone with any animal husbandry standards is probably honestly going to support ‘locally sourced’ over “factory farmed”.
The anti-PETA, anti-HSUS and ANTI-NYCLASS tendencies of horse and farm owners is a whole different topic (though it should be fairly obvious that there are irreconcilable beliefs there)
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The anti-PETA, anti-HSUS and ANTI-NYCLASS tendencies of horse and farm owners is a whole different topic . . . [/QUOTE]
Okay, yes - these are the people I’m talking about.
I just made up the “zealot” thing on the spur of the moment, and if it’s wrong I’m sorry. Do you have a better one?
When they slaughter Minnie, they should do it in front of a school bus full of children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJYE0HuKNfI
After all, they should be willing to show the whole process if they really want to educate visitors and not pass themselves off as some kind of glorified petting zoo. To do it “behind closed doors” would be fraud.
While they’re at it, they should be sure to show the children what a chicken looks like after it’s attacked by a possum or what a still-born calf looks like.
The anti-animal-rights on this bb (and in the majority of gatherings of people with actual animal experience) is because we really do genuinely adore animals.
And a big chunk of the people on here do hands on animal rescue, rehab and conservation as opposed to being keyboard clicker heros. ???
As for farm wars/whatever…the brain-children on the Save Minnie pages are congratulating themselves for “scaring off” counter protestors, have started a thread specifically to have all of the violent comments against them saved in one place WHILE they continue to post violent wishes against the owners of the farm AND all meat eaters and have now taken to calling the Benner Farm a small factory farm.
Seriously. According to the majority of them, factory farm means kills animals.
Theyre telling people the owners only own a farm so they don’t have to pay ANY taxes because all farms are 100% tax free. And because they just wanted an excuse to indulge in their murderous serial killing needs in a legal way because it’s illegal to kill humans.
Oh and that the benners are lying because Americans do NOT get their beef from small farms so killin their own pet is not being honest in teaching. That if they really meant to teach, they’d take children to a large slaughter house and make them watch.
they now want ideas on ways to tell the authorities that they’re operating an illegal slaughter house on farm to get them shut down because they can’t get enough followers any more.
So it seems the two dissenters for right in with the other protestors.
Perfectly fine to dislike the process the benners use.
Absolutely nuts to think that’s a valid reason to shut them down.
Slightly unhinged to tell everyone who knows about farming first hand that your feels are the only thing right.
It’s wrong.
zeal·ot
?zel?t
noun
a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
synonyms: fanatic, enthusiast, extremist, radical, young Turk, diehard, true believer, activist, militant;
I think most on this forum would fall under the heading “farm owner” or possible “equestrian”.
Of course if you truly support those groups, I do hope that you are running your farm with no living animals or against exemptions… just to avoid hypocrisy.
Anyway, if you are going to call names, at least have the curtesy to use words that you can define. It really undercuts the message to use slurs the author doesn’t even really know.
Baldstockings, loved that link. Someone could write a paper on this thread!
The people I’m talking about are zealots, most definitely. And they certainly are involved in the “farm wars” - they’re simply on the other side of the fence from the Pro-HSUS/Anti-CAFO people.
So what do you call this group? Do they even have a collective name?
I wouldn’t know. I’m not name-calling.
Militant/radical/extremist COTHers… what should Red Barn call you guys?
Anyone?
Realists?
Experienced?
Not gullible?
Anti-keyboard-activist?
Hands-on?
Has reading comprehension skills?
Doesn’t get info from blogs?
Okay, that’s RENAHHD. Doesn’t exactly trip off the tongue.
Perhaps something a bit catchier?
