Where did you get the impression that a good moving TB is a leg flinger? Or did you just mean that some of these modern horses (in part due to the riding) aren’t using their back legs properly?
IMO elasticity comes from self-carriage which starts with a pushing and carrying hind leg.
A good TB may not best for sitting down and carrying at the trot (although I have seen a few – meaning I can think of 5 off the top of my head that I knew of IRL), but they always bring the push.
When I say leg flingers, I am talking about a horse that does not move with the roundness to the steps. A god moving TB will be flatter like this, and this type will develop into leg flingers when asked to sit and extend. They don’t use all of their joints, but swing the leg, fling it up and out, and kind of smack the ground. The gait issues of not being true are because the horse gets broken in the back, with the front end over reaching, and the hind end trailing. I hate to see that it has become so much about the frond end of the horse impressing.
I want to see the “airtime”, and the soft landing to the steps, not quick and punchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScwvP5TcN0g
This is one of my youngsters. He has tons of bone but very light and forward.
And elastic!!
He is only recently under saddle and in English tack. Had a couple months with a cowboy previously.
I saw this ad, and thought of this thread. (Not my ad, so I think “legal” to post):
http://www.warmbloods-for-sale.com/HorseDetail.asp?HorseID=23308&UserID=6400
If I had the $ at the moment, I’d be there checking this girl out yesterday!
Home Again, just wanted to say your mare Rohanna is to die for!
Many thanks!! She is the sort of mare that makes one feel so very grateful to have. She has produced wonderful foal after wonderful foal and is the sweetest. most delightful mare to live with as well. I am so lucky to have her, and also two of her best daughters. :D:D:D
Exactly What isn’t true?
Tim
25 years ago, when I fell in love with Hanoverians, they were not short legged. They were tall with incredible substance and bone, huge muscles, wide chests, wide loins and big feet. They were proportional and often much bigger close up then one might think looking at them from far away.
I’ve always considered that “old style”.
I have a 20 month old and a 8.5 month old that are both like that and I purposefully bred for it.
I think there is some desire out there for the old style WB, however, I think that demand comes from a certain segment of the amateur market. They want something solid feeling and maybe not so reactive.
A friend of mine recently imported a Hanoverian that, had I been asked out of the blue to I.D., I would have guessed was an Australian Tb or maybe F1 WB/TB. But he was full Hanoverian, by Drosselklang of all things. He had relatively little blood close up, how he came to look like that I have no idea.
However, I don’t think that top riders are going to be looking for old style horses again any time soon. I would not be surprised if we start seeing two “strains” of WB’s, modern ones aimed at the highest level of sport and older style horses, substantial and not hugely reactive, for the amateur market.
[QUOTE=Stacie;4592525]
25 years ago, when I fell in love with Hanoverians, they were not short legged. They were tall with incredible substance and bone, huge muscles, wide chests, wide loins and big feet. They were proportional and often much bigger close up then one might think looking at them from far away.
I’ve always considered that “old style”.
I have a 20 month old and a 8.5 month old that are both like that and I purposefully bred for it.[/QUOTE]
That is a wonderful description of “old style” One that I agree with. I don’t like slab-sided, narrow-chested, rafter-hipped, small-footed types 
(noone probably does - but I like them a little more tank-y)
Well to each there own and that is why there are many flavors of icecream, lol. I love the old style but “athletic” type. We do breed both, some heavier types and some more modern types because everyone has their druthers. I thought I’d post though when I saw another poster stating that the “heavier” type does not work well at the upper levels (forget the actual verbage and I don’t want to stir a pot) and wanted to give an example of a “planned” breeding we did in 2009 that was sold in-utero before we even knew the mare was safely infoal. See pic of her below.
Said mare also has her 2010 breeding sold in-utero yet these two stallions are very different. Both buyers seeking an upper level horse. The mare competed through 4th level and is KWPN reg and approved for breeding, she is a keur mare by Democraat and has her sport predicaat. Here is a video of her http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KI1yZXaxhk at 2nd level frame. This mare is very heavy but light on her feet. Since she is a Democraat mare, the first in-utero (baby she’s carrying now) is by Contango who also is a very heavy type but definitely light on his feet and said offspring will be a 3/4 sibling to the Horse of the Year candidate, “Ravel”. This baby will be very big bodied and heavy, but that is what they wanted.
Mare’s 2010 breeding will be to Rousseau. This buyer who purchased it in-utero even though not yet even bred, actually use to own this mare and competed her. She wants a more “modern” version of her but wanted to keep or improve on her already spectacular movement. Both of these purchasers hope to compete at the upper levels yet wanted very different types. I am sure both offspring will undoubtedly move very nice.
[QUOTE=Stacie;4592525]
25 years ago, when I fell in love with Hanoverians, they were not short legged. They were tall with incredible substance and bone, huge muscles, wide chests, wide loins and big feet. They were proportional and often much bigger close up then one might think looking at them from far away.
I’ve always considered that “old style”.
I have a 20 month old and a 8.5 month old that are both like that and I purposefully bred for it.[/QUOTE]
That is a perfect description!!! I want one of those. I was pleasanly surprised when I went to the AHHA site and saw some stallions on their roster with long legs and9+ inches of bone. :yes:
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Cobs are notoriously hard to purpose breed. Many if not most British Show Cobs are Irish Draught or Irish Draught crosses that just didn’t grow tall enough. That said, there are lines of smaller Irish Draughts in the USA. If you hogged their manes you’d be hard pressed to differentiate them from a show cob in the UK.
ETA: didn’t finish reading before replying - looks like Adablurr covered this.[/QUOTE]
GRIN! no problems, Liz - it’s just great minds working in the same circles again
Looking forward to a better year for all things Irish!
KAte
Well, I have an “old style” Hanoverian mare who had a lovely Quaterback colt last year…
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn273/SpruceViewFarms/DSC_0260.jpg
What an artistic photo Donella! Love it!
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Well, I have an “old style” Hanoverian mare who had a lovely Quaterback colt last year…
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn273/SpruceViewFarms/DSC_0260.jpg[/QUOTE]
Very exciting! I can’t wait to see how he develops!
Lovely mare ljs – exactly the type of ‘old-style’ mare I adore: substantial yet light on her feet. 
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Lovely mare ljs – exactly the type of ‘old-style’ mare I adore: substantial yet light on her feet. :D[/QUOTE]
Me too…I love it. I really love the Gelder blood. All of my Dutch mares have some of that “old style” blood in them and all have super gaits and jump. Truly versatility in this type horse.
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The mare competed through 4th level and is KWPN reg and approved for breeding, she is a keur mare by Democraat and has her sport predicaat. Here is a video of her http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KI1yZXaxhk [/QUOTE]
She is lovely. Do you know what % Gelderlander she is?
Not intended to hijack, but is Gelderlander blood indicated by the designation “SGLDT” on Dutch papers? If so, my mare is 25% Gelderlander. :winkgrin:
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