Arab People: 6 ex-circus Arabs to be auctioned at Cranbury Sales Stable tonight (Wed)

[QUOTE=red mares;8001328]
That was my thought to begin with. I know a guy who trains circus animals (horses, zebras, camels, whatever) - their prices reflect the amount of training. A group of 6 liberty horses seems an unlikely lot to be dumped.

If the OP hadn’t been from New Zealand, I would have flagged it as a blatant ad.[/QUOTE]

Indeed my post was genuine red mares. I am an Arab lover/owner and whilst I know of some of the various rescue factions within the NZ scene I’m not familiar with the politics in the US scene. My only purpose for posting was out of concern for the six mares. I stepped away from the thread as it seems to have taken on a life of its own :slight_smile:

Not sure of the whole story, but a rescue out bidding “good homes” on grey Arab horses sounds crazy. Especially if the rescue is not local and if horses need to be transported.

[QUOTE=Horse with No Name;8002181]
Indeed my post was genuine red mares. I am an Arab lover/owner and whilst I know of some of the various rescue factions within the NZ scene I’m not familiar with the politics in the US scene. My only purpose for posting was out of concern for the six mares. I stepped away from the thread as it seems to have taken on a life of its own :)[/QUOTE]

I can appreciate what you were trying to do, but your having genuine concern does not preclude it from being an advertisement.

“Hey, everybody these horses are for sale, go bid on them” is an advertisement for the sellers as far as I’m concerned. This isn’t the only case where I’ve felt that way.

[QUOTE=uphill;8002820]
Not sure of the whole story, but a rescue out bidding “good homes” on grey Arab horses sounds crazy. Especially if the rescue is not local and if horses need to be transported.[/QUOTE]

Apparently ARM is shipping these 6 mares to their KY farm.
I don’t know how far their NJ location is from Camelot, probably about 3 hours [that’s what it is from my house and I am minutes from ARM NJ].
Why they have to ship them to KY, and more importantly, how much that costs and where the money comes from is a head scratcher.

They’ve even had offers for adoptions, but insist FIRST the mares must go to KY.

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;8003206]
Apparently ARM is shipping these 6 mares to their KY farm.
I don’t know how far their NJ location is from Camelot, probably about 3 hours [that’s what it is from my house and I am minutes from ARM NJ].
Why they have to ship them to KY, and more importantly, how much that costs and where the money comes from is a head scratcher.

They’ve even had offers for adoptions, but insist FIRST the mares must go to KY.[/QUOTE]

This is sounding to be really an expensive endeavor. At what cost for other horses in need?

[QUOTE=ThisTooShallPass;8003958]
This is sounding to be really an expensive endeavor. At what cost for other horses in need?[/QUOTE]

Nothing has been posted regarding a request for donations for shipping yet.

They’ve had applications for adopting the 6 all together.
They insist they are a bonded herd that neeeeeeeeds to stay together.
I think a herdbound horse is just about my most favoritest thing ever, I bet 6 would be even funner!
Anyone else?

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;8003206]
Apparently ARM is shipping these 6 mares to their KY farm.
I don’t know how far their NJ location is from Camelot, probably about 3 hours [that’s what it is from my house and I am minutes from ARM NJ].
Why they have to ship them to KY, and more importantly, how much that costs and where the money comes from is a head scratcher.

They’ve even had offers for adoptions, but insist FIRST the mares must go to KY.[/QUOTE]

Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t you call ARM and ASK THEM.

[QUOTE=bettyk;8005029]
Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t you call ARM and ASK THEM.[/QUOTE]

We already know why they are insisting on doing all these silly things. “ARM” just got six brand new mares bought for them and the people that donated are too stupid to realize what’s really going on.

“They’re bonded, they have to stay together now!”

That means “We aren’t letting go of any of them.”

In other words: “MINE!”

[QUOTE=bettyk;8005029]
Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t you call ARM and ASK THEM.[/QUOTE]

People have asked them, on their Facebook page… they don’t answer. About any of the issues.

Here’s an interesting idea for a business… predict what the questions and concerns the public will have [because if you are in the business, it must be because you have great insight into the ‘industry’, right?] and address them publicly for all to see!
That’s another novel idea. :wink:

When my friend (who was at the auction that night) asked them specifically why they outbid private buyers this was their response:

We had no idea who was bidding on what. However, the donors and supporters here wanted them to stay as a group and that is what our goal was. Since no one bid on the group but us, we got them together. Yes we are hoping to adopt them out as a group, but if for some reason we can’t we will either try to adopt bonded pairs or keep them together at our rescue. While I agree none were at risk at a starting bid of $500 each, I was doing what I was asked to do, as always. Keeping our donors and supporters happy is how we get those at higher risk saved. Without them we are nothing.

The horses also started at $500/a piece. which is way over any sort of kill buyer, as well as they are grey. There was no way they were going to slaughter.

Especially because NJ has a ban in place on the direct shipping of horses to slaughter. They’d have had to be run through New Holland again, first.

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8005393]
Especially because NJ has a ban in place on the direct shipping of horses to slaughter. They’d have had to be run through New Holland again, first.[/QUOTE]

Or Undadilla. Or the killbuyers take them to their own farms and ship a full load out from there.

Killbuyers did/do buy from Camelot on sale night. There was a whole kerfuffle a couple years ago when it was learned that several had sold to one either on sale night or after they were languishing in the #10 pen. I forget the details now.
But that is when it was learned that the horses in the #10 pen are not the only ones ‘at risk’, and perhaps actually the opposite.

ow come every time a horse is rescued, half the posts go into slamming the rescue? Unless a rescue is a fraud, if they commingled funds or took a mare into their breeding program etc, why make such a big deal about it. Co mingling funds can be bad bookeeping, not fraud Overall they are doing good work and saving horses.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8005402]
ow come every time a horse is rescued, half the posts go into slamming the rescue? Unless a rescue is a fraud, if they commingled funds or took a mare into their breeding program etc, why make such a big deal about it. Co mingling funds can be bad bookeeping, not fraud Overall they are doing good work and saving horses.[/QUOTE]

So, where DO you draw the line then, and scrutinize them more closely?

FYI

Arabian Rescue Mission is asking for funds for THESE six circus horses on their facebook page called “ARM and SSHS in MS,” which they used to raise funds for the mess they created in Mississippi regarding the Copiah County horses.

ChevalBleu, you mean they have another Facebook page, I’ve found 2, and they are still collecting funds on it for the 6 arab circus horses?

I did see where they collected $42,000 to buy some slaughterbound horses from MS but when the Coggins were viewed they were from TX…I think that was affiliated with SHS [whatever that is].

Yes, Terry F. And Renee were the people who got gullible people to donate $42,000 to buy 65 horses from Mitch Stanley, at least half of which were never in Copiah County, Mississippi.

SSHS is Stop Selling Horses to Slaughter. It is a supposed non-profit in Florida run by Renee Paxton who does not even own or rent a farm.

For this “big save” ARM and SSHS teamed up, and Renee supposedly made the deal with Stanley for ARM to buy the horses. Supposedly yet two other women named Jan Santini and Amy White were helping screen the potential “adoptors.”

Those wanting to “adopt” had to pay a $25 non-refundable application fee for each horse they wanted. If approved, they paid more. Some people said they paid $50 per horse and a few others said it was $100.

ARM claimed the horses were all from the Copiah situation until people started calling her on it. Later she claimed at least half were from Copiah. Some of the horses that arrived in Glen had rump tags that proved they had been rejected for slaughter.

Anyway anyone looks at this, Stanley got paid $42,000 for horses that were worth a fraction of that and some that were slaughter rejects.

Also, some of the horses in that original herd wee recovering from or suffering active cases of Strangles. Some of the horses that arrived in Glen, MS were from the original Copiah group including a splash back Appy, who later died after being “adopted.”

None of the hroses ARM received were quarantined and ARM began allowing people to pick them up and haul them off a week after they had arrived.

What happens to a horse rejected for slaughter?

[QUOTE=CaitlinandTheBay;8005955]
What happens to a horse rejected for slaughter?[/QUOTE]

The person who owns it, presumably whomever presented it at the plant, is responsible for it.

In this case it appears he sold it to this rescue effort for $700, which is about double or double and then some over meat price.

There is some serious chicanery in play here . . . :no: