Barisone assessment

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

I have posted that video here twice now!!

Please don’t do it again.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

Some men think women are superwomen. He testified he didn’t realize until he saw blood on her back.

Who cares what he testified to. All evidence points to the fact they were believed to be lying on the stand. A liar can say anything, it doesn’t make the statements true or believable. And swearing to tell the truth doesn’t usually mean anything to a liar either.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

Some men think women are superwomen. He testified he didn’t realize until he saw blood on her back.

Who cares what he testified to. All evidence points to the fact they were believed to be lying on the stand. A liar can say anything, it doesn’t make the statements true or believable. And swearing to tell the truth doesn’t usually mean anything to a liar either.

And their testimony differed from one sworn testimony to another on different dates.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Who cares what he testified to. All evidence points to the fact they were believed to be lying on the stand. A liar can say anything, it doesn’t make the statements true or believable. And swearing to tell the truth doesn’t usually mean anything to a liar either.

Especially when it contradicts the police statement given, and, well, a bunch of written versions out in the ether that prove the liar is lying in at least one version.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

And their testimony differed from one sworn testimony to another on different dates

In some cases, before and after the morning recess.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

And their testimony differed from one sworn testimony to another on different dates

In some cases, before and after the morning recess.

Indeed.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

Indeed.

When you can’t remember your script, er, testimony, just blurt out something about the shooter shooting at us.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a shame self defense was not allowed. Would have been interesting. The verdict was a win in so many ways regardless.

No basis for it, no evidence.

Because of a lack of an actual investigation and shoddy forensics.

They had enough. When the police questioned everyone and searched then they learned a timeline of MB asking the DCCP person and MHG to leave the office. They are told he walked off with RC’s Ruger a few days earlier to put it in the safe in the office. The safe in the office is left open after MB left but was closed prior to his leaving.

Hearsay, but he did tell the mental health experts he got the gun out of the safe.

Apparently they didn’t have enough as no one was convicted.

Because the jury believed he was delusional so he was NGRI

NOt Guilty by Reason of Insanity - he did the deed but he was delusional and unable to have a criminal intent. (Delusion being LK was threat his life. This isi what the defense mental health experts said and the jury believed them)

Guilty. He did it and he meant to do it. (This is what the prosecutor’s mental health expert said)

Not Guilty by Self Defense - there was evidence showing he was attacked.

Not Guilty - he didn’t do it. (RG)

He was not convicted. He is NOT GUILTY. This has been explained ad nauseum. It’s been explained so often every reader understands it by now.

Not Guilty.

It is not a verdict of Guilty - but insane.

Not Guilty. There was no attempt at murder because he was unable to form intent.

He has no criminal liability.

There are civil restrictions because of public safety issues due to committing a violent act and being known as a danger to himself and others. He may eventually be released to various amounts of supervised care or even unsupervised care should he be recognized as no longer being a danger to himself or others. He will probably never be allowed to own a firearm of any sort.

However, it is also the verdict that provides protection for his victim until he is deemed no longer a threat and allows him to rebuild his life with no criminal penalties.

I believe it was a good verdict and a fair one. I hope he gets the right care and can work his way back to working in the horse industry in whatever capacity he feels most productive.

I hope LK continues riding and enjoying her horses. I hope they settle and there is not a civil trial. If there is, I hope it is not televised.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

Indeed.

When you can’t remember your script, er, testimony, just blurt out something about the shooter shooting at us.

[ekat]

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a shame self defense was not allowed. Would have been interesting. The verdict was a win in so many ways regardless.

Y’all were laughing at him when he testified in the trial for running and ducking back into the house with MB shooting and LK bleeding out. There were scurrilous things said about his courage. So if he dove back into the house and then ran back out of the house to tackle MB when he wasn’t shooting, how would the dog have stayed in?

Then maybe LK shouldn’t have mischaracterized his heroics for two years. The prosecutor is the one who portrayed him as fleeing into the house for all the world to hear in both his opening and closing statements.

ETA: fleeing into the house like the prosecution described is the expected response. Dodging bullets like LK suggests is the unrealistic one.

RG may well be the man of the hour, hero of the day. He kept himself safe, he kept his gf from additional injury and death, he showed appropriate restraint when subduing a shooter. He may have kept MHG and her dad safe along with others.

[3PonyFarm]

It is my understanding that Marines are trained in first aid in bootcamp and later on as well in treating gunshot wounds. While he couldn’t subdue someone and offer first aid I would think he would recognize a serious GS wound.
I suppose with a tense situation going on he could have told her to put the dog away but I would think that would endanger her more by moving.

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a shame self defense was not allowed. Would have been interesting. The verdict was a win in so many ways regardless.

Y’all were laughing at him when he testified in the trial for running and ducking back into the house with MB shooting and LK bleeding out. There were scurrilous things said about his courage. So if he dove back into the house and then ran back out of the house to tackle MB when he wasn’t shooting, how would the dog have stayed in?

Then maybe LK shouldn’t have mischaracterized his heroics for two years. The prosecutor is the one who portrayed him as fleeing into the house for all the world to hear in both his opening and closing statements.

ETA: fleeing into the house like the prosecution described is the expected response. Dodging bullets like LK suggests is the unrealistic one.

RG may well be the man of the hour, hero of the day. He kept himself safe, he kept his gf from additional injury and death, he showed appropriate restraint when subduing a shooter. He may have kept MHG and her dad safe along with others.

Look, if you want to die on a hill defending these type of people, sobeit. Just keep in mind a lot of this is your opinion or view and not proven fact.

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@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

Sort of like Finish the Bastard?

Maybe it just means finish the details on moving out

I’ve read some dopey nonsense on this board over the years, but this tops everything.

You’ve been reading your own comments likely. I just paid attention to how she likes to quote and started googling. It was simple.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

You’ve been reading your own comments likely. I just paid attention to how she likes to quote and started googling. It was simple.

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[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

Maybe it just means finish the details on moving out

Holy stretch Armstrong Batman.

These people can do or say nothing wrong in your eyes, eh?

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

Sort of like Finish the Bastard?

Maybe it just means finish the details on moving out

I’ve read some dopey nonsense on this board over the years, but this tops everything.

You’ve been reading your own comments likely. I just paid attention to how she likes to quote and started googling. It was simple.

Also mean.

[hut-ho78]

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a shame self defense was not allowed. Would have been interesting. The verdict was a win in so many ways regardless.

Y’all were laughing at him when he testified in the trial for running and ducking back into the house with MB shooting and LK bleeding out. There were scurrilous things said about his courage. So if he dove back into the house and then ran back out of the house to tackle MB when he wasn’t shooting, how would the dog have stayed in?

Then maybe LK shouldn’t have mischaracterized his heroics for two years. The prosecutor is the one who portrayed him as fleeing into the house for all the world to hear in both his opening and closing statements.

ETA: fleeing into the house like the prosecution described is the expected response. Dodging bullets like LK suggests is the unrealistic one.

RG may well be the man of the hour, hero of the day. He kept himself safe, he kept his gf from additional injury and death, he showed appropriate restraint when subduing a shooter. He may have kept MHG and her dad safe along with others.

Look, if you want to die on a hill defending these type of people, sobeit. Just keep in mind a lot of this is your opinion or view and not proven fact.

Just pointing out there are different ways to look at some of this.

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

What a shame self defense was not allowed. Would have been interesting. The verdict was a win in so many ways regardless.

Y’all were laughing at him when he testified in the trial for running and ducking back into the house with MB shooting and LK bleeding out. There were scurrilous things said about his courage. So if he dove back into the house and then ran back out of the house to tackle MB when he wasn’t shooting, how would the dog have stayed in?

Then maybe LK shouldn’t have mischaracterized his heroics for two years. The prosecutor is the one who portrayed him as fleeing into the house for all the world to hear in both his opening and closing statements.

ETA: fleeing into the house like the prosecution described is the expected response. Dodging bullets like LK suggests is the unrealistic one.

RG may well be the man of the hour, hero of the day. He kept himself safe, he kept his gf from additional injury and death, he showed appropriate restraint when subduing a shooter. He may have kept MHG and her dad safe along with others.

Look, if you want to die on a hill defending these type of people, sobeit. Just keep in mind a lot of this is your opinion or view and not proven fact.

Just pointing out there are different ways to look at some of this.

Which I can respect, it’s just sometimes you state it as if it were fact. Or incorrectly relay what was said at the trial. I can’t tell if you’re being willfully obtuse at times or just genuinely misunderstanding details. I get wanting to offer different view points, but some are quite unrealistic or easily contradicted. I also cannot believe how much “faith” you have in people like LK & Co. Maybe I’ve seen too much sh*t in my life, Idk.

[hut-ho78]

Yeah. Not an inspiring court appearance. I kept wanting to give him an old fashioned motivational speech about his demeanor (which I’ve now learned from SafeSport that old fashioned motivational speeches are no longer acceptable).