Barisone assessment

[Seeker1]

not RG talking. Heyman said he said that. People in the court room gasped

[Seeker1]

give me an example please and back it or or kindly don’t say it.

[joliemom_again]

@Ghazzu

My search for the phrase brings up a short story by William S. Burroughs from 1972–“The End”–and the context is a cop beating up a drunk.

Should you ever decide to retire from your veterinarian gig, I would like to formally invite you to join the Professional Librarian ranks, because that there’s some darn good sleuthing!

[trubandloki]

@FitzE

For me, I struggled to think of a barn truck I’d ever seen without a shovel in it. I mean that sincerely. Every farm truck I’ve even been in had a random collection are normal farm implements rattling around in the back. Some in the US even had shotguns in a rack across the rear windscreen. But a shovel was standard barn vehicle equipment. I could never have twisted that into a bombshell piece of evidence to prove a murder plot. It would not have occurred to me in a million years.

I had a similar thought.
A shovel is used for so much on a farm.
I did use one to bury a body the other day.
It was a dead animal. I figured that was the easiest way to get rid of it.
After burying something that weighed just a couple of pounds I know for a fact that burying a human is outside my ability.

@hut-ho78

Very creative.

@hut-ho78

So that would be another topic I’ve wondered about. Fake juries are hired so defense and litigation attorneys can get a feel for what approaches work in court. Some of the posters came on after Bilinkas was hired and started feeding his defense to social media including this one. They have been relentless in this other story line.

How much is SM used in influencing the jury pool and a jury in session. How can the courts stop jury members and family members of the jury from looking at social media? Will juries need to be sequestered more often?

@EADoug

Interesting, I didn’t get that from your description. Happy to be corrected. I have, however, seen different things come up side by side when googling stuff with my husband, so I do know it happens.

I know this happens too.
I have said it lots of times on this very forum, google hates me. I can type the exact same thing in as the person next to me, they get results, I get nothing related to what I wanted.

@Seeker1

the police officer attending said Rob didn’t say that, I did.

@hut-ho78

I believe there was a 3 man team to go through the house and then the barn and the crime scene investigators outside and I think it started raining when they arrived…

@DownYonder

I dunno, maybe she has such a penchant for getting melodramatic that he doesn’t pay much attention to her anymore - thought she was just crying Wolf! again.

This is an interesting point I had not thought of. Good point. After you (general) have lived with someone who likes to make things up for dramatic purposes (admitted this on the stand) I can totally see not paying much attention to them in this type of situation.

@eggbutt

Made a fresh coconut cake

Oh yum!

@CurrentlyHorseless

Even if two people google the exact same words, google uses lot of information about person asking and will provide different answers to different people. It may well depend on the person’s search history, geographic location and who knows what else. Just because you got a different response does not mean that @hut-ho78 lied.

@hut-ho78

How would anyone tell? I don’t think the current and past Barisone threads have ever lacked for preposterous posts.

@hut-ho78

Because RG was not on the ground.

@Seeker1

RG did NOT say that. The police officer said that.

@Seeker1

but they should not be reporting false information here.

@Seeker1

not RG talking. Heyman said he said that. People in the court room gasped

@Seeker1

give me an example please and back it or or kindly don’t say it.

[Sdel]

I listened to the 911 call as have others. You aren’t fooling anyone by calling us liars.

[LilRanger]

[quote="hut-ho78, pFake juries are hired so defense and litigation attorneys can get a feel for what approaches work in court. Some of the posters came on after Bilinkas was hired and started feeding his defense to social media including this one. They have been relentless in this other story line.

How much is SM used in influencing the jury pool and a jury in session. How can the courts stop jury members and family members of the jury from looking at social media? Will juries need to be sequestered more often?post:2662, topic:773116"]
How
[/quote]
Social Media influence is first managed by the attorneys during voir dire. After that, the judge can order the jury to not look at social media, tv or newspapers about the trial. This has been an issue since forever, SM just added to an existing problem. Whether or not jurors can stay off of it is also an old problem. Some people can’t not do what they are prohibited from doing. That’s not new.

[Seeker1]

A “voice” could be heard saying that but the officer at the scene said that he said that and not Rob. Shall I get the clip?

[Seeker1]

Ok this may take awhile but I will try

[Sdel]

I’ve listened to it enough to know the real truth, thank you.

[Seeker1]

well… if I play it for you or send you the link will you apologize?

[Sdel]

No, because you aren’t correct.

[BrendaJane]

@trubandloki

After burying something that weighed just a couple of pounds I know for a fact that burying a human is outside my ability.

http://cwmi.css.cornell.edu/naturalrendering.htm

[hut-ho78]

@FitzE

@ekat

But remember, JH stole her phone and did tech like things to it to make it look like she did stuff?

That was such a weak excuse even LK looked like she wasn’t buying it.

@ekat

Also, the disclosures came from the phones in evidence. Not ones acquired after the shooting.

That’s correct. All the searches Bilinkas was discussing happened before the shooting, so she could not have been searching “because she wanted to understand the damage done to her” unless she’s a time traveller of some sort.

Also, were exploding bullets used in the shooting? Caveat: I know squat about guns and bullets.

Exploding bullets blow up in the firearm and hurt the shooter not the intended target.

Hollow points spread on impact and make a little hole in and a big hole out. They have maximum stopping power and are used by police and civilians for self protection.

Full metal jackets are good for hunting and used by dedicated hunters who hunt for sport and eat what they kill because they do not destroy the meat. They can have a lead tip. Some are called “cop killers” but that term is generally misused by the public and have a full steel jacket and enough load to penetrate body armor.

Rounds for the M16A1 (and AR15) are full metal jackets made to tumble and travel up or down bone causing an evacuation injury more often than death in order to to tie up more manpower (the one shot and the ones assisting). They are more effective for battle. Some say they use the AR15 for hunting but other than hunting feral hogs for sport not meat, I never quite understood that. Some use them for sport shooting.

There are probably some dedicated target shooters and hunters who can elaborate more.

[hut-ho78]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@eggbutt

The photo of all the phones on the table showed zero blood on any of them. Just sayin’.

Hmmmm. I missed that detail as well. Thanks for pointing that out.

If they were safeguarding them for future forensic evaluation, I would expect them to be moved out of the rain.

[Sparky]

A photo of them in the position they were found before they were moved out of the rain might have been a good idea. Alas, not to this bumbling crew.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@eggbutt

The photo of all the phones on the table showed zero blood on any of them. Just sayin’.

Hmmmm. I missed that detail as well. Thanks for pointing that out.

If they were safeguarding them for future forensic evaluation, I would expect them to be moved out of the rain.

Then why didn’t the prosecution present the photo of the phones where they lay before they were moved. I recall (could be wrong) that Bilinkas asked several times if the photos were exactly as the scene was after the three subjects were removed and the response was yes. So, I can’t speak to your suggestion other than proof of what you suggest was not presented.

[eggbutt]

@Sparky

A photo of them in the position they were found before they were moved out of the rain might have been a good idea. Alas, not to this bumbling crew.

Then once again, the crime scene was tainted and so were the photos. Do I recall a photo with a cup or something on the ground and the witness was asked what the cup was for? The response was to protect the item (shell casing) from washing away. The same thing could have been done for the phones. It’s crucial evidence yet this bumbling PD blew so much evidence.

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

A “voice” could be heard saying that but the officer at the scene said that he said that and not Rob. Shall I get the clip?

@Seeker1

Ok this may take awhile but I will try

@Seeker1

well… if I play it for you or send you the link will you apologize?

@BrendaJane

http://cwmi.css.cornell.edu/naturalrendering.htm

I love that brochure. The artwork is so fun. (I guess I am weird, but yes, I truly think the artwork on a brochure about composting bodies is creative.)

I also think that is the perfect way to get rid of a large animal. Not sure if one human will make enough heat for it to work. Do you think two humans will work?

@hut-ho78

Exploding bullets blow up in the firearm and hurt the shooter not the intended target.

Hollow points spread on impact and make a little hole in and a big hole out. They have maximum stopping power and are used by police and civilians for self protection.

Full metal jackets are good for hunting and used by dedicated hunters who hunt for sport and eat what they kill because they do not destroy the meat. They can have a lead tip. Some are called “cop killers” but that term is generally misused by the public and have a full steel jacket and enough load to penetrate body armor.

Rounds for the M16A1 (and AR15) are full metal jackets made to tumble and travel up or down bone causing an evacuation injury more often than death in order to to tie up more manpower (the one shot and the ones assisting). They are more effective for battle. Some say they use the AR15 for hunting but other than hunting feral hogs for sport not meat, I never quite understood that. Some use them for sport shooting.

There are probably some dedicated target shooters and hunters who can elaborate more.

@hut-ho78

If they were safeguarding them for future forensic evaluation, I would expect them to be moved out of the rain.

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Then once again, the crime scene was tainted and so were the photos. Do I recall a photo with a cup or something on the ground and the witness was asked what the cup was for? The response was to protect the item (shell casing) from washing away. The same thing could have been done for the phones. It’s crucial evidence yet this bumbling PD blew so much evidence.

Yes! They did, in fact, put things over some of the items on the ground. How they decided what to protect and what to just go ahead and move before it’s photographed, I dunno.

[hut-ho78]

@Warmblood1

@hut-ho78

I googled it to find out how it is often used. Comes right up in Hunter S Thompson articles. Not one reference to Jimmy Cagney movies, The Godfather, Scarface, Ozark, Zero Zero Zero…

Why lie? That is not what google results in. When searching the exact terms on google, 39 results occur. Only one of those results have anything to do with Hunter. S. Thompson. That is not even what he says. When searching google for the exact term “Finish the Bastard,” the most results pulled are from an Israeli situation where Israel accuses China of anti-semitism. The reporting agency says “Bring it on. Just finish the bastard.” All of the comments and information are in Israeli. The single result to Hunter S. Thompson regarding a letter containing the quote somewhat close to “Finish the Bastard” is actually - “ Just to finish the Bastard is enough.” However, the letter has so many serious racial slurs that I can not post the letter to the forum. Why any Hunter S. Thompson fan would idealize this letter is beyond me. It is not a well known letter but part of a series of letters that were sold. Who wants to immortalize such a racist letter? The Rum Diaries also had extremely strong racial undertones (references to Nazism and is probably his most racist work). Why Rum Diaries and this letter would be significant or a favorite piece to any Thompson fan is beyond me. It makes the quote “Finish the Bastard” even more disturbing if it is actually pulled from this letter because the letter is so profoundly racist.

You can accuse me of being wrong but I’m not lying. My guess is algorithms brought up various search results for different people. Nice mine brought up literature.