Barisone assessment

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

But seriously, it is a stretch to believe her daddy made all these arrangements for another barn and then just dumped it on her the day she was supposed to move.

Unless Daddy knows she can be difficult and didn’t want to deal with her until he absolutely had to.

Many families with addicts in their lives deal with the walking on eggshells about when to do or say something, and how, while bracing for impact of what they know will be unpopular with this person.
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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Angela_Freda

Unless Daddy knows she can be difficult and didn’t want to deal with her until he absolutely had to.

Many families with addicts in their lives deal with the walking on eggshells about when to do or say something, and how, while bracing for impact of what they know will be unpopular with this person.
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BINGO

[Angela_Freda]

@eggbutt

Looking back I recall things beginning to go way south around March 2019 with the departure of LK’s buddies, the sisters from NC who were working students.

Oh. Interesting.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you really doubt that the mental and emotional pain being inflicted intentionally through your(g) SM campaign is less harmful to LK than the bullet wounds?

Yes. Yes… I do doubt this.

LK was on social media and the forums posting about her situation in September of 2019. She was routinely engaging with everyone on these forums right up until she was banned. Her social media went private and quiet during the actual criminal trial, but she got on YouTube almost immediately afterwards… engaging with anyone and everyone. I’m not friends with her on social media, and have no idea what she is saying on her now private accounts…

Anyway… I agree that the ongoing discussion across social media must be agitating and upsetting her. But it’s complicated. She is objectively and obviously an attention seeking person, and even negative attention compels her.

I do not suspect she has any wish to EVER experience a gun shot again. She did go through a horrible physical trauma. My guess is she will avoid conflict in the future that could conceivably get that volatile, and lead to that sort of horror. But battling it out with words on keyboards in a public way? Yeah… she’s not particularly averse to that, from what I can tell, regardless of how harsh the discussion and debate gets.

Frankly, the more combative the discussion on social media is… the more it seems she wants to engage in it… either personally, or via alleged proxies from her personal inner circle.

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

It’s chilling. If she had died, would the haters have refrained from the posthumous assault? I doubt it.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think it’s unfair to disparage someone for what, in your imagination, they “might have done”.

What was suggested were criminal acts. Your continued defense of someone’s willingness to consider engaging in criminal acts against another person is very telling. Especially considering the already lengthy list of charges that have been filed against not just LK and RG, but against mom and dad as well.

I wonder if the civil trial will be revealing actual criminal acts committed against Barisone.

We don’t need criminals, or anyone willing to engage in criminal behavior, in equestrian sports.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But the fact that she was pressuring MB to get LK out

Maybe MHG was aware or noticed more than MB, wrt the toll the toxic two/threesome was having on the tenor of the farm and business.
Maybe she saw that the well oiled business MB had worked so hard to create, that employed so many, and gave so much to equestrian sport was at risk before he did.
A good partner says something if they see disaster ahead.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The problem is MBs response to the pressure. Instead of making a choice between MHGs comfort and the fees from LK as a business matter, he tried to have it both ways. That made it extremely unstable

Her father seemed to have tiptoed around it, around her too.
Maybe that says something, maybe those who tip toe know something you are refusing to consider…
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[cutter99]

@Angela_Freda

@ekat

Edit to add: in context, is it just maybe a little possible, that when he wrote that text, he was under the (mistaken) notion that per the agreement with her dad, she was going to be moving out that weekend, and thought he should have “numbers” around in case things went south?

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Had that dynamic not resulted in her daughter almost being killed, then yes, I doubt Seeker would think about MHG at all. Along those lines, she’s said many times that she would love to depart the forum if the assault via SM on her daughter would let up.

More extortion demands coming from this family….all the more reason for us to NOT stop talking about this.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you really doubt that the mental and emotional pain being inflicted intentionally through your(g) SM campaign is less harmful to LK than the bullet wounds?

Yes. Yes… I do doubt this.

LK was on social media and the forums posting about her situation in September of 2019. She was routinely engaging with everyone on these forums right up until she was banned. Her social media went private and quiet during the actual criminal trial, but she got on YouTube almost immediately afterwards… engaging with anyone and everyone. I’m not friends with her on social media, and have no idea what she is saying on her now private accounts…

Anyway… I agree that the ongoing discussion across social media must be agitating and upsetting her. But it’s complicated. She is objectively and obviously an attention seeking person, and even negative attention compels her.

I do not suspect she has any wish to EVER experience a gun shot again. She did go through a horrible physical trauma. My guess is she will avoid conflict in the future that could conceivably get that volatile, and lead to that sort of horror. But battling it out with words on keyboards in a public way? Yeah… she’s not particularly averse to that, from what I can tell, regardless of how harsh the discussion and debate gets.

Frankly, the more combative the discussion on social media is… the more it seems she wants to engage in it… either personally, or via alleged proxies from her personal inner circle.

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

It’s chilling. If she had died, would the haters have refrained from the posthumous assault? I doubt it.

Maybe LK should have thought about SM and her presence there before she decided to “FINISH THE BASTARD”, and how her actions would be received by others on SM.

Just maybe!

[Angela_Freda]

@LilRanger

To me it says he is a nice guy, and also not one to be pressured, he makes up his own mind. Which, again from my perspective, is exactly why LKs actions had the results they did. This is a person who is in control of himself, and probably due to his past trauma, can recognize another person who is struggling (LK). So he gives her some slack, not realizing what she wants it for.
She takes the slack as weakness, not strength. But his is a brittle strength, she yanks, he cracked. End of.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The problem is MBs response to the pressure. Instead of making a choice between MHGs comfort and the fees from LK as a business matter, he tried to have it both ways. That made it extremely unstable.

I for one can’t wait until the civil trial makes the people making these arguments look like fools.

[Angela_Freda]

@cutter99

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

Or keeping people around to diffuse the situation.
I much prefer the good behavior of my cray family when people they don’t know are around.
They don’t want strangers to see their cray, so they behave.

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[trubandloki]

@Angela_Freda

@cutter99

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

Or keeping people around to diffuse the situation.
I much prefer the good behavior of my cray family when people they don’t know are around.
They don’t want strangers to see their cray, so they behave.

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Or actual physical witnesses, so when they have to call the police again they can have a crowd of people saying “LK did this and RG did that” and hopefully the police will actually listen.

Really, wanting to have numbers there was a smart move on MB’s part and it is sad that others want to make it into something else.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I do agree with you that it has ALWAYS been a head scratcher to me that MB didn’t formally notify LK he wished for her to move out of the house, and move her horses earlier.

I think this will turn out to be a semantics thing. I have a strong suspicion that MB did formally tell her he was ending the training agreement and because the house was part of that, he thought that by extension that was notice to leave the house. Meanwhile I notice the argument on this board fixated on the tenant side and not the training side.

They are very quick to point out that LK was texting MB about training/shows; but that does not mean that MB was actually acknowledging or going along with them. If MB was actually engaging with LK to continue furthering a training relationship, I would have thought the prosecution would find that relevant to bring up at the trial.

[Angela_Freda]

That too.

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Really, wanting to have numbers there was a smart move on MB’s part and it is sad that others want to make it into something else

Well, it says much about them, if they can’t see the positive aspect of having people around, for the sake of all .

[ohnoO]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What was the date of the “Finish the bastard” text

I’m not caught up yet, but I’ll comment anyway.

IIRC, RG was in the barn the morning of August 7th. The farrier was there. He (the farrier) told RG that he (the farrier) had been told not to shoe LK’s horses. RG then texted this information to LK who responded with “Finish the Bastard”. So just hours before the shooting.

I think it would have been helpful to have heard from the farrier during the trial and the confrontation he had with RG that morning. Mr. B tried to raise the issue, but was shot down pretty quickly.

And yes, I do understand that RG was not on trial.

[Angela_Freda]

@ohnoO

I think it would have been helpful to have heard from the farrier during the trial and the confrontation he had with RG that morning. Mr. B tried to raise the issue, but was shot down pretty quickly

Perhaps he’ll be part of the civil trial?

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@omare

Are you saying this is a Dem vs Repub (Trump ) thing?

Are you saying that all Republicans are Trumpers? If so, guess again.

I am not caught up on the thread (once again), but could we please leave any and all political discussions out of it? There is already plenty going on here without that wrinkle.

Thanks.