Barisone assessment

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

@Seeker1

I don’t care that he wanted her to leave. What I care about is that Michael was telling her one thing and MHG was telling her something else.

In this situation in polite society, you leave. You don’t get in between a couple.

In polite society, that’s certainly true.

In other segments of society…

[Seeker1]

ok all. I have a child (I don’t care how old she is…) that is suffering on multiple levels. You all want to make things more difficult for her. I have spent way too much time addressing issues here. I have always known that a change of heart for most of you is not possible. However, I did my best and that is all I can do. Feel to msg me if you want. I have an open door policy. If I feel your question is any of your business or helps my family in some way, I will answer. If not I will ignore. Whew! I feel like I have a one million lb weight lifted off of my shoulders. Hope you all find happiness and the best version of yourselves.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

Even the barn workers she allegedly paid?

Did anyone actually believe that story for one second?

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

ok all. I have a child (I don’t care how old she is…) that is suffering on multiple levels. You all want to make things more difficult for her. I have spent way too much time addressing issues here. I have always known that a change of heart for most of you is not possible. However, I did my best and that is all I can do. Feel to msg me if you want. I have an open door policy. If I feel your question is any of your business or helps my family in some way, I will answer. If not I will ignore. Whew! I feel like I have a one million lb weight lifted off of my shoulders. Hope you all find happiness and the best version of yourselves.

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Had that dynamic not resulted in her daughter almost being killed, then yes, I doubt Seeker would think about MHG at all. Along those lines, she’s said many times that she would love to depart the forum if the assault via SM on her daughter would let up.

More extortion demands coming from this family….all the more reason for us to NOT stop talking about this.

How is anyone being “extorted”?

[eggbutt]

This is for the person who flagged one of my old posts saying the phrase used was vulgar and against the rules. This is from the children’s book, Y is for Y’all, a Southern alphabet book.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you really doubt that the mental and emotional pain being inflicted intentionally through your(g) SM campaign is less harmful to LK than the bullet wounds?

Yes. Yes… I do doubt this.

LK was on social media and the forums posting about her situation in September of 2019. She was routinely engaging with everyone on these forums right up until she was banned. Her social media went private and quiet during the actual criminal trial, but she got on YouTube almost immediately afterwards… engaging with anyone and everyone. I’m not friends with her on social media, and have no idea what she is saying on her now private accounts…

Anyway… I agree that the ongoing discussion across social media must be agitating and upsetting her. But it’s complicated. She is objectively and obviously an attention seeking person, and even negative attention compels her.

I do not suspect she has any wish to EVER experience a gun shot again. She did go through a horrible physical trauma. My guess is she will avoid conflict in the future that could conceivably get that volatile, and lead to that sort of horror. But battling it out with words on keyboards in a public way? Yeah… she’s not particularly averse to that, from what I can tell, regardless of how harsh the discussion and debate gets.

Frankly, the more combative the discussion on social media is… the more it seems she wants to engage in it… either personally, or via alleged proxies from her personal inner circle.

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

It’s chilling. If she had died, would the haters have refrained from the posthumous assault? I doubt it.

Maybe LK should have thought about SM and her presence there before she decided to “FINISH THE BASTARD”, and how her actions would be received by others on SM.

Just maybe!

I think that had she known how fragile MBs mental health was, she would have got the heck out. Not to spare him, but to spare herself.

If MHG, JH, RC, and Tarshis didn’t realize the seriousness of his mental fragility, and act on it to protect MB, how do you expect LK to have recognized it? She was just a client, not the girlfriend, psychiatric professional or lawyers friend.

[eggbutt]

The “pressure” she put on him and everyone else on that farm was terrorism. So, you condone putting a business owner under pressure to get your way?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

The problem is MBs response to the pressure. Instead of making a choice between MHGs comfort and the fees from LK as a business matter, he tried to have it both ways. That made it extremely unstable.

I for one can’t wait until the civil trial makes the people making these arguments look like fools.

Well, trubandloki is carefully QFPing all my posts, so you’ll have all the ammunition you want!

Should I QFP all of yours?

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you really doubt that the mental and emotional pain being inflicted intentionally through your(g) SM campaign is less harmful to LK than the bullet wounds?

Yes. Yes… I do doubt this.

LK was on social media and the forums posting about her situation in September of 2019. She was routinely engaging with everyone on these forums right up until she was banned. Her social media went private and quiet during the actual criminal trial, but she got on YouTube almost immediately afterwards… engaging with anyone and everyone. I’m not friends with her on social media, and have no idea what she is saying on her now private accounts…

Anyway… I agree that the ongoing discussion across social media must be agitating and upsetting her. But it’s complicated. She is objectively and obviously an attention seeking person, and even negative attention compels her.

I do not suspect she has any wish to EVER experience a gun shot again. She did go through a horrible physical trauma. My guess is she will avoid conflict in the future that could conceivably get that volatile, and lead to that sort of horror. But battling it out with words on keyboards in a public way? Yeah… she’s not particularly averse to that, from what I can tell, regardless of how harsh the discussion and debate gets.

Frankly, the more combative the discussion on social media is… the more it seems she wants to engage in it… either personally, or via alleged proxies from her personal inner circle.

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

It’s chilling. If she had died, would the haters have refrained from the posthumous assault? I doubt it.

Maybe LK should have thought about SM and her presence there before she decided to “FINISH THE BASTARD”, and how her actions would be received by others on SM.

Just maybe!

I think that had she known how fragile MBs mental health was, she would have got the heck out. Not to spare him, but to spare herself.

If MHG, JH, RC, and Tarshis didn’t realize the seriousness of his mental fragility, and act on it to protect MB, how do you expect LK to have recognized it? She was just a client, not the girlfriend, psychiatric professional or lawyers friend.

Considering her goal was to destroy his mental health, this comment makes absolutely no sense.

LK thinks she is playing 3D chess, when in fact she was playing “Go Fish”. She overplayed her hand and got caught. Nothing more, nothing less!

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

ok all. I have a child (I don’t care how old she is…) that is suffering on multiple levels. You all want to make things more difficult for her. I have spent way too much time addressing issues here. I have always known that a change of heart for most of you is not possible. However, I did my best and that is all I can do. Feel to msg me if you want. I have an open door policy. If I feel your question is any of your business or helps my family in some way, I will answer. If not I will ignore. Whew! I feel like I have a one million lb weight lifted off of my shoulders. Hope you all find happiness and the best version of yourselves.

@CurrentlyHorseless

How is anyone being “extorted”?

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think that had she known how fragile MBs mental health was, she would have got the heck out. Not to spare him, but to spare herself.

If MHG, JH, RC, and Tarshis didn’t realize the seriousness of his mental fragility, and act on it to protect MB, how do you expect LK to have recognized it? She was just a client, not the girlfriend, psychiatric professional or lawyers friend.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Well, trubandloki is carefully QFPing all my posts, so you’ll have all the ammunition you want!

Should I QFP all of yours?

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[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

SM drama and vitriol that she enjoyed, embraced and wallowed in were in all force before she was shot. Before she was in a coma. The SM “warriors” - which, coincidentally, is how you are presenting yourself in these threads - knew from experience that posts would be deleted or edited.

@cutter99

@Angela_Freda

@ekat

Edit to add: in context, is it just maybe a little possible, that when he wrote that text, he was under the (mistaken) notion that per the agreement with her dad, she was going to be moving out that weekend, and thought he should have “numbers” around in case things went south?

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

NOTHING. When our BO decided to confront our venomous barn manager as well as the Trainer B**** From Hell that preceded her and fire them, she requested that a few of the boarders who had concerns, myself and another employee be there. That way, neither one of those self-important frauds could claim that something different was said or done. It also showed them that it was not just one or two people that wanted them GONE.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I do agree with you that it has ALWAYS been a head scratcher to me that MB didn’t formally notify LK he wished for her to move out of the house, and move her horses earlier.

I think this will turn out to be a semantics thing. I have a strong suspicion that MB did formally tell her he was ending the training agreement and because the house was part of that, he thought that by extension that was notice to leave the house. Meanwhile I notice the argument on this board fixated on the tenant side and not the training side.

They are very quick to point out that LK was texting MB about training/shows; but that does not mean that MB was actually acknowledging or going along with them. If MB was actually engaging with LK to continue furthering a training relationship, I would have thought the prosecution would find that relevant to bring up at the trial.

I consider the training agreement to be bundled with the housing agreement. No need to focus on one side vs the other.

He could have said at any time, I’m ending the training/housing agreement as of 30 days from now. I’d appreciate it if you leave earlier.

[Wind_Horse]

@Seeker1
I sincerely hope you and your family find peace. I sympathize with your situation.

I know all too well the ‘love the person, dislike/don’t support their actions’ feeling.

If my family member, who is an addict/alcoholic with BPD and engages in some terrible behavior, was the subject on an Internet forum, I would not out my family member and agree with internet strangers on how awful that person is.

My guess is that I would say some similar things to what you have stated.
We can only help so much. We can’t force addicts into rehab. You (g) have no idea how much we tried to help.
IF your daughter is not allowed into your home, it says to me you have implemented and enforced boundaries. Good for you. Those of us with addicts in our lives learn we have to, and can only, take care of ourselves.

I’m not on anyone’s side. Other than to say I think the verdict was fair and just, my opinions on the entire circus of events doesn’t matter.

[jvanrens]

@ohnoO

Yeah, like, work in the rain!

Invest in some covers for use at crime scenes in case of rain maybe?

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Well, trubandloki is carefully QFPing all my posts, so you’ll have all the ammunition you want!

Should I QFP all of yours?

It won’t bother me at all. I don’t delete and so my record is complete already, but if you feel the need to do so, then go ahead.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

He could have said at any time, I’m ending the training/housing agreement as of 30 days from now. I’d appreciate it if you leave earlier.

So, what exactly was the role of JK’s negotiations to leave the training agreement and take up at some other barn if it was not notice and voluntary agreement to waive the 30 days? Stalling? Gaslighting? Fraudulently representing himself as her agent?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

I know you assume I was in the group of early posters, but nope, I didn’t begin posting here, or anywhere else about her, until late September and well after she began attacking others while recuperating. For some reason Ms Nir chose “Eggbutt” to toss into her NYT article and I’ve been the primary villain since. I’ve often wondered why out of all the really, really vicious posts made, it was Eggbutt selected to target. Woe is me.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

SM issues and vitriol that she enjoyed and wallowed were in all force before she was shot. Before she was in a coma. The SM “warriors” - which, coincidentally, is how you are presenting yourself in these threads - knew from experience that posts would be deleted or edited.

@cutter99

@Angela_Freda

@ekat

Edit to add: in context, is it just maybe a little possible, that when he wrote that text, he was under the (mistaken) notion that per the agreement with her dad, she was going to be moving out that weekend, and thought he should have “numbers” around in case things went south?

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

NOTHING. When our BO decided to confront our venomous barn manager as well as the Trainer B**** From Hell that preceded her and fire them, she requested that a few of the boarders who had concerns, myself and another employee be there. That way, neither one of those self-important frauds could claim that something different was said or done. It also showed them that it was not just one or two people that wanted them GONE.

The only reason you care that SM posts might be edited or deleted is if want the full arsenal of posts to use against someone in an anticipated war. Isn’t that why trubandloki is continuing with the blanket QFPing of three posters? There must be some reason.

Do you think the bashing would have still happened if she had died (while the screenshotting was being done).

[downen]

You know, as a mom of a twenty-something daughter, I’m gobsmacked at what is going on here.

If by some chance my well-raised god-fearing daughter went down the wrong path and got shot, here’s what I’d do:

• Stay by her side and nurse her back to health
• Get her psychiatric help IMMEDIATELY to process the trauma and learn what lead to it
• Support her during the trial emotionally
• Accept the verdict and look FORWARD not back in order to heal
• Get her as far away from the people who precipitated the incident

You know what I would NOT do?

• Participate in dredging up past events. Those should be addressed with the victim and her therapist to help them move FORWARD.
• Try to justify provably bad behavior
• Argue with a bunch of internet strangers trying to change their minds. Spoiler alert: YOU CAN’T.

Now back to your regular programming…