Barisone assessment

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Well, trubandloki is carefully QFPing all my posts, so you’ll have all the ammunition you want!

Should I QFP all of yours?

It won’t bother me at all. I don’t delete and so my record is complete already, but if you feel the need to do so, then go ahead.

It does bother me. Not because I’m ashamed of my posts or delete much, but because I think I should be free to edit or delete along the same rules as everyone else.

[DownYonder]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Narcissists simply do not handle rejection well.

Yes, and something I have mentioned multiple times in regards to this situation.

“Flight-forward rage” is often the response when someone with NPD doesn’t get their way.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted

They were also taking screenshots before the shooting happened. It was a train wreck, people talk.

@CurrentlyHorseless

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

Wonder why? That’s not normal for these situations. Could be bc this wasn’t her first rodeo.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

She awoke from her coma to find herself with the SM hate flinging in full swing.

What really disgusted me is that on the evening of Aug 7, when it was not clear to her family whether she would live or die, and it was not known to people outside her family the identity of possibly fatally shot woman, the SM warriors were arming themselves with screenshots of her SM posts before they could be deleted.

SM issues and vitriol that she enjoyed and wallowed were in all force before she was shot. Before she was in a coma. The SM “warriors” - which, coincidentally, is how you are presenting yourself in these threads - knew from experience that posts would be deleted or edited.

@cutter99

@Angela_Freda

@ekat

Edit to add: in context, is it just maybe a little possible, that when he wrote that text, he was under the (mistaken) notion that per the agreement with her dad, she was going to be moving out that weekend, and thought he should have “numbers” around in case things went south?

Here is the other thing. What is wrong with strength in numbers?

NOTHING. When our BO decided to confront our venomous barn manager as well as the Trainer B**** From Hell that preceded her and fire them, she requested that a few of the boarders who had concerns, myself and another employee be there. That way, neither one of those self-important frauds could claim that something different was said or done. It also showed them that it was not just one or two people that wanted them GONE.

The only reason you care that SM posts might be edited or deleted is if want the full arsenal of posts to use against someone in an anticipated war. Isn’t that why trubandloki is continuing with the blanket QFPing of three posters? There must be some reason.

Do you think the bashing would have still happened if she had died (while the screenshotting was being done).

The reason there are people “quoting for prosperity” is there are those who post here who edit and delete in a dirty fashion.

You know this. You have known this for quite some time.

But that is fine. The reason is here for all to see!

[Graymaresrule]

IME men are often clueless concerning subtle social dynamics especially between women

[Sdel]

You can still edit and delete. QFP doesn’t stop you from doing that. What you should be worried about is the screenshots. Who knows how many of those exist out there…

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I consider the training agreement to be bundled with the housing agreement. No need to focus on one side vs the other.

He could have said at any time, I’m ending the training/housing agreement as of 30 days from now. I’d appreciate it if you leave earlier.

@Sdel

It won’t bother me at all. I don’t delete and so my record is complete already, but if you feel the need to do so, then go ahead.

@CurrentlyHorseless

The only reason you care that SM posts might be edited or deleted is if want the full arsenal of posts to use against someone in an anticipated war. Isn’t that why trubandloki is continuing with the blanket QFPing of three posters? There must be some reason.

Do you think the bashing would have still happened if she had died (while the screenshotting was being done).

@CurrentlyHorseless

It does bother me. Not because I’m ashamed of my posts or delete much, but because I think I should be free to edit or delete along the same rules as everyone else.

@cutter99

The reason there are people “quoting for prosperity” is there are those who post here who edit and delete in a dirty fashion.

You know this. You have known this for quite some time.

But that is fine. The reason is here for all to see!

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[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you think the bashing would have still happened if she had died (while the screenshotting was being done).

What a disturbing question. She didn’t die, and once released from the hospital picked up where she left off with her horrendous behavior!
Had she behaved as her nemesis, MHG, has and stayed off SM regarding the situation I doubt she would even be considered as afterthought after all this time. You always seem to fail to recognize, Lauren is her own worst enemy and keeps the drama going!

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@MHM

@Sdel

Also, can anyone guess what we’ve not heard about the last few times we’ve seen references to MHG?

Any predictions that she will be suspended?

I don’t know. Certainly if a mutual order of protection exists and it’s found she violated it then that should be grounds for sure.

But I’m not sure though any Civil findings can easily change that.

Consider this: ALL of MBs past actions have been brought to light, evaluated and judged and a verdict was rendered. His past acts are already rendered moot in light of his verdict.

But LKs actions have not been under the scrutiny of law enforcement. So far there is no trial against her so no findings found. She hasn’t been adjudicated anything. In the criminal trial she was basically just a flawed witness. But in the civil case she is a Defendant as well as a plaintiff. Wrongdoing can be found and if that wrongdoing is determined to have been done as adjudicated by a jury then my case is yes, it might rise to the level of suspension based on the parameters of USEFs member behavior policies.

MB’s past actions were not allowed in the criminal trial, only his actions and state of mind in regards to the indictments.

As a victim, LK was not given that legal protection. Though the judge tried to keep the trial on MB’s actions, LK’s actions were fair game as related to how they affected MB’s state of mind. That included the presentation of the existence of a 726 I think page investigative report.

A civil trial will bring out everything about both. This will likely not be good for the horse world or either party or for parties knowledgeable of past behavior of either person.

With that and hoping personally not to see either party subject to that kind of spotlight and conjecture from SM, I hope they settle.

I hope all parties can move on with their lives. I see this as a train wreck between two fragile people of mutually assured destruction that didn’t have to be and I hope they can go on to heal and rebuild.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

MB’s past actions were not allowed in the criminal trial, only his actions and state of mind in regards to the indictments.

As a victim, LK was not given that legal protection. Though the judge tried to keep the trial on MB’s actions, LK’s actions were fair game as related to how they affected MB’s state of mind. That included the presentation of the existence of a 726 I think page investigative report.

A civil trial will bring out everything about both. This will likely not be good for the horse world or either party or for parties knowledgeable of past behavior of either person.

With that and hoping personally not to see either party subject to that kind of spotlight and conjecture from SM, I hope they settle.

I hope all parties can move on with their lives. I see this as a train wreck between two fragile people of mutually assured destruction that didn’t have to be and I hope they can go on to heal and rebuild.

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[hut-ho78]

@Bogey2

I think seeker is baiting you all to turn the social media thing around and make it look like you are bullies. It may be time to ALL ignore her, there is nothing new to point out.

@Seeker1 is not necessary for that appearance.

[DownYonder]

I have a question.

Does anyone know when LK obtained that horse from MB? I think it’s name was “JJ.”

And does anyone know if it had been fully paid for at the time of the shooting?

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@Seeker1 is not necessary for that appearance.

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@DownYonder

Does anyone know when LK obtained that horse from MB? I think it’s name was “JJ.”

And does anyone know if it had been fully paid for at the time of the shooting?

I believe his name is JT.
I have not inside information but from reading here I believe JT was paid for.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

MB’s past actions were not allowed in the criminal trial, only his actions and state of mind in regards to the indictments.

What “past actions” pray tell? A ticket in FL?

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

If MB was actually engaging with LK to continue furthering a training relationship, I would have thought the prosecution would find that relevant to bring up at the trial.

Good point. And Schellhorn would have stressed that it was evidence that MB was acting rationally and therefore apparently not being driven insane by LK.

[LilRanger]

@eggbutt

The “pressure” she put on him and everyone else on that farm was terrorism. So, you condone putting a business owner under pressure to get your way?

Is that what I said?

[McGurk]

I had another thought about that. In a previous post I mentioned how common it is to pay barn workers directly for some services rather than keeping track of them and adding them to a monthly bill.

But I think something completely different happened here. We have the $5K for two horses, training and the apartment, and two more horses being paid for, supposedly, by Rob’s renovation work.

Whenever things went bad about the renovation, when it was clear that Rob’s work was 1.) minimal and 2.) substandard; I would speculate that Barisone told the barn staff to do the bare minimum for the four horses. Feed, clean stalls, turn out, nothing else. Because $5K doesn’t cover living accommodations for the people and good, even minimalist, care for four horses in that part of the world.

So LK paying the HH barn staff (bc MB wouldn’t or couldn’t) is much more likely her having to pay directly for anything related to the horses past basic care.

Hence all the talk about wrapping the one horse.

I also strongly suspect that’s what actually happened with the farrier. MB didn’t tell the farrier “not to shoe her horses”; MB told the farrier he would not be paid through the farm account for her horses and if he shod her horses, the farrier would have to secure payment through LK directly. To her and Rob, that was the same as telling him not to shoe the horses bc they didn’t have a way to pay the farrier or their exaggerated sense of entitlement made them think they shouldn’t have to pay. (If I was the farrier, I would have wanted cash or PayPal up front before I picked up a hoof.)

As corroborating evidence, I offer that MB was a good business man. You don’t build a high level horse business without good business skills; it’s an incredibly difficult business to succeed in. Maybe Vera was a big help as a business manager, but you just don’t get to where he was without some serious business acumen.

So I think as some point, either when he saw the condition of the house and Rob’s “work” or when the training arrangement fell apart, MB acted to mitigate his losses. If he was only ever gonna get the $5K/month from JK, he was going to try to make sure he didn’t put out more than $5K.

That’s the logical explanation for claiming she was paying the barn staff because he couldn’t and wouldn’t.

And, btw, how can a person in that situation claim they didn’t know they were no longer welcome? Or believe that it was all pressure from the gf, that Barisone actually still wanted them there? And who doesn’t pack up their horses and leave when you’re so unwelcome that barn staff have been instructed to do nothing more than basic care?

ETA: Punctuation and correcting a typo.

[eggbutt]

@LilRanger

@eggbutt

The “pressure” she put on him and everyone else on that farm was terrorism. So, you condone putting a business owner under pressure to get your way?

Is that what I said?

No ma’am, I replied to your reply of @CurrentlyHorseless post, which was:

The problem is MBs response to the pressure. Instead of making a choice between MHGs comfort and the fees from LK as a business matter, he tried to have it both ways. That made it extremely unstable.

Sorry for the confusion!

[Wind_Horse]

Yes, well, that certainly would be ideal.

With an adult, you can’t force them into treatment. You can offer to pay for it, do an intervention, give them consequences if they don’t go, etc. But, unless they are an immediate threat to themselves or someone else (also not a piece of cake to prove), they have to be willing to go.

Here’s an example of how well meaning, supportive parents do everything they possible can but still have a miserable outcome.
First rehab at age 15. Minor so yes, it was forced. Second rehab at 17. Third rehab at 18. This one was via intervention and pleading.
Fourth rehab at 20. Repeat of invention and pleading. Fifth rehab at 25. This one was their own choice.
Yea…. they made their own choice so all is well now. They will finally turn their life around. All of our efforts paid off. Not.

Said person admitted that each time they were in rehab all they concentrated on was getting out and using again.
We changed cities. We changed states. We tried what we could to provide a different environment, different counseling.

Bottom line, this person is now 35. Still uses heroin. Still not allowed in our house.

While I do not makes excuses, I also don’t bring it up. We have moved on with OUR lives. The choices that person makes are their own. The consequences of their actions are theirs alone to deal with.

Regardless of what a pita this person is, I will not listen to anyone telling me what to do or how to handle this situation. Especially not strangers.
Unless you’ve lived it, you have no idea. And it’s not helpful, and quite mean in my opinion, to criticize a parent of an addict. Again, you have no idea what they’ve been through or how they’ve tried to help.

[BrendaJane]

‘Murder on the Orient Express’