Barisone assessment

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

@DownYonder

Does anyone know when LK obtained that horse from MB? I think it’s name was “JJ.”

And does anyone know if it had been fully paid for at the time of the shooting?

I believe his name is JT.
I have not inside information but from reading here I believe JT was paid for.

Thanks, do we know when that ownership transfer occurred?

[roseymare]

@McGurk

I would speculate that Barisone told the barn staff to do the bare minimum for the four horses. Feed, clean stalls, turn out, nothing else. Because $5K doesn’t cover living accommodations for the people and good, even minimalist, care for four horses in that part of the world.

So LK paying the HH barn staff (bc MB wouldn’t or couldn’t) is much more likely her having to pay directly for anything related to the horses past basic care.

Hence all the talk about wrapping the one horse.

I also strongly suspect that’s what actually happened with the farrier. MB didn’t tell the farrier “not to shoe her horses”; MB told the farrier he would not be paid through the farm account for her horses and if he shod her horses, the farrier would have to secure payment through LK directly. To her and Rob, that was the same as telling him not to shoe the horses bc they didn’t have a way to pay the farrier or their exaggerated sense of entitlement made them think they shouldn’t have to pay. (If I was the farrier, I would have wanted cash or PayPal up front before I picked up a hoof.)

I think this is a fair bet as to what transpired.

[eggbutt]

I can feel your pain in your post and I’m so sorry. Honestly, I believe all of us have a person in our family who has/had issues. It is incredibly difficult

You have moved on with your life and I can’t applaud loudly enough for the strength it took you to do that. Sincerely.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@LilRanger

@eggbutt

The “pressure” she put on him and everyone else on that farm was terrorism. So, you condone putting a business owner under pressure to get your way?

Is that what I said?

No ma’am, I replied to your reply of @CurrentlyHorseless post, which was:

The problem is MBs response to the pressure. Instead of making a choice between MHGs comfort and the fees from LK as a business matter, he tried to have it both ways. That made it extremely unstable.

Sorry for the confusion!

What pressure did she put on him prior to the July 13 text?

Apparently the “finish the bastard” text was only hours before the shooting and he had not even seen it.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Apparently the “finish the bastard” text was only hours before the shooting and he had not even seen it.

Again, totally irrelevant. She had a plan that she working already.

[eggbutt]

Jay-T’s USEF/USDF ownership was updated to LK well after the incident occurred. I recall posts on the early threads saying he was still listed in Barisone’s name (which isn’t unusual). To my recollection she bought in April or May 2019 but I could be off a few months. What are you thinking?

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@Warmblood1

@Knights_Mom

Oh @Seeker1… a little birdie sent me this. First your version:

Then, what really happened:

Wow. So, 6 horses? 5 at the farm? And MB was paying 5k to debug the place, $100 a night for security, was losing clients, and getting paid a measly 5k a month for 5 horses for board/training and 2 humans renting? But this was supposedly all offset by an unlicensed contractor working a handful of hours a week?

Just wow.

I have no direct knowledge of the situation.

Just from reading the threads over the years, though, it sounded like one of the horses LK owns has been at a farm in North Carolina pretty much the whole time. Maybe retired by now?

I had the impression she had four horses in New Jersey at the time of the shooting, including the one she had bought from MB. The fifth horse was still in quarantine somewhere else, according to discussions on previous threads.

But to have four horses at an Olympic trainer’s facility for a combined total of $5000 a month in that part of the world seems incredibly inexpensive.

And that is before you even factor in living accommodations for LK and RG on the property.

That is what I remember as well.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What pressure did she put on him prior to the July 13 text ?

What text is this?

[clipper]

@Seeker1

May i remind you that my family and i are not on trial here.

It is interesting that you bring this up. Your daughter will be on trial during the civil proceedings - just like Amber Heard was. That is what happens when you sue someone or some sues you.
Just as we talked about MB for over 2 years before his trial I am sure some of us will talk about your daughter. Sometimes the words are for purposes of education or entertainment.
I read this forum in the beginning for education. I will continue to read this for both education of legal matters in the horse industry and the entertainment factor of *Wow! *.
Why not enjoy your life, and your daughter(s), and stay off webpages and forums that cause you strife?
Let us enjoy talking about what we like.
In my case I am very invested in watching the civil trial. I hope that MB can have a sense of closure in his life by the truth coming out.

[BrendaJane]

@McGurk

Or believe that it was all pressure from the gf,

perhaps in their mind they cannot fathom that the fake eyelashes are failing to seduce the target
And since they are hyper aware fo the female competition, it HAS to be the woman who sees through their masquerade.
Because the other woman is trembling in her boots for fear of the aversary…you know the shtick.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What pressure did she put on him prior to the July 13 text ?

Apparently the “finish the bastard” text was only hours before the shooting and he had not even seen it.

@hut-ho78

That is what I remember as well.

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[LilRanger]

No worries, thank you for the clarification!

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What pressure did she put on him prior to the July 13 text ?

Glad you asked!

From trial testimony, on July 10, we know she was searching CPS on her phone. Admittedly, MB wouldn’t know that, but something precipitated that.

On July 12, again, from trial testimony, she posted a rant about MHG on FB, that she, also during the trial, admitted could be perceived as threatening.

[clipper]

@Seeker1

From Michael to Mary Haskins: I need people here…that “they (rob and lauren) will be broken by force of numbers”.

So in your quote you posted are you saying the rob and lauren in brackets is part of a text that MB sent to MHG? Or was the text "they will be broken by force of numbers?
Hmm.
Is there somewhere I can see that quote?

[jvanrens]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

But the fact that she was pressuring MB to get LK out,

EVERYONE wanted LK out!!! Has anyone stepped forward saying they wanted this woman to stay? Even the barn workers she allegedly paid? Nope. Not one soul.

All the more reason to scratch your head as to why MB did not ask her to leave prior to Aug 5. That just reinforces my point.

Maybe since MB’s lawyer was working with JK about another farm to move for about a week, the thought that LK would be aware of the fact he didn’t want her there anymore. Unless JK didn’t bother to communicate that?

[Warmblood1]

@McGurk

And, btw, how can a person in that situation claim they didn’t know they were no longer welcome? Or believe that it was all pressure from the gf, that Barisone actually still wanted them there? And who doesn’t pack up their horses and leave when you’re so unwelcome that barn staff have been instructed to do nothing more than basic care?

I agree and believe LK knew quite well she wasn’t wanted since she had planted recording devices all over the facility and was listening to everyone’s conversations.

[KurPlexed]

@ekat

Glad you asked!

According to testimony back in March. I think the 20th, MHG had told her it’s time to go and MB was trying to make nice. So it’s reasonable to assume the pressures were present back then as well.

Eta. I also believe March 27th is when she told RW that she bought cameras but then said she lied

[BrendaJane]

I am going to need a glossary…
who is RW?
and it took me a while to realize that NPD was not a derilict police department…

[ekat]

YES! (Side note, this is one of three texts they discussed that happened on Aug 3rd, after dad and Mr T came to an agreement, LK was telling the cops she has secret recordings, and RG was searching MHG’s kids, all on that day. For context)

2:56:20

Mr S: …is that a text message from Michael Barisone to you on august 3rd 2019?

MHG: yes

Mr S: Did he tell you I need people here, adults, granddad. I told Ruth she can’t leave. They will be broken by force of numbers.

MHG: That is correct.

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[Warmblood1]

@clipper

So in your quote you posted are you saying the rob and lauren in brackets is part of a text that MB sent to MHG? Or was the text "they will be broken by force of numbers?
Hmm.
Is there somewhere I can see that quote?

Great catch.