Barisone assessment

[BrendaJane]

@eggbutt

She has stated before the only times she didn’t show up was when she’d been bitten by a brown recluse spider. To my knowledge this excuse has been used at least twice, so she must be pretty attractive to the shy recluse spiders!

well, they dwell in the darkness.
Stuff happens when you ninja around a farm barefood, or stick your hands in dark places…(but most people will state unevoquivically that once is more than enough and they no longer stick their hands into Recluse territory!)

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Who started the escalation though? It looks like he did on July 13?

Incorrect, as I have posted a couple times now. On July 12, LK posted a FB post about MHG that she said could be perceived as threatening.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Here. I’ll help fill in some more!

MHG read several texts during her testimony.

Right at the beginning of her testimony, she does state she entered into a romantic relationship with MB in 2015.

She read one from July 13, 2019 from MB to her stating words to the effect of trust me, I’ll make it so bad they will be begging to leave. I know how and I’m good at it.

She read one from July 30, 2029 from MB to her stating contact everyone who has ever been screwed by LK and her dad as he was going to get LK a lifetime ban from USDF.

She testified they emailed USDF and USEF on that same day.

She testified that August 3, 2019 he had her father everyone and they (LK, RG, JK) will be broken by sheer numbers. That day she also asked MB why they couldn’t just ask LK to leave because no one had.

She testified that on August 6 they mailed the 756 page report to SafeSport.

I think LK was still singing MB’s praises on the 13th. Maybe he broke her like he said he would.

She also testified as to MB’s financial position. He did have a cash flow problem he told her about and it was because he had to come up with the $965,000 for his ex. She testified that the divorce was final in December 2018 and on 3/24/2019 he texted her that after being clipped for $965,000, it was hard to feel good. She also testified he had horses worth approximately $1M and the two places were worth millions, so while he was worth millions he actually did have a cash flow problem at the time.

2029 has not happened yet.

@hut-ho78

Not according to New Jersey tenant law. I base this partly on your explanations of New York tenant law, reading the for the public New Jersey helpful guidelines, and the law segments available online and posted by others all very informative.

After 30 days, they had tenant rights and evictions were to be according to law. Her testified and admitted behavior should have enabled him to evict her under the 3 day section (with time added to get time on a judge’s schedule as explained by yourself and/or others) for being disorderly. The horses could have a 30 day notice to leave.

He gave an unfiled notice, then if not acted on, he could file, then once the time was up and the paperwork signed, have LE evict her.

@hut-ho78

“Proxies from her inner circle” would be her mom?

@hut-ho78

I did not get the impression she thought it was a game but more she wanted him to do what was agreed to, he was avoiding her, and it became a very unwise and unhealthy battle of wills

She should have left. He should not have shot her.

@eggbutt

Not proven to most that he actually did. But, yes, she should have left long before she escalated the terror.

@hut-ho78

I think she made it pretty clear that she wanted training from MB directly and she thought he had committed to that.

@hut-ho78

Or did he crack her? She was I think still singing his praises on July 13 when he was writing texts to MHG about making her life so miserable she would leave and he was good at it.

@hut-ho78

QFP

@hut-ho78

Saying dumb things vs being shot twice. Not quite getting the point here.

Had she said that with him laying in the hospital instead of her with her exact injuries instead of his, yes, chilling.

As it stands, she is like Rosie without teeth yap yap yap and he put her in the hospital with two rounds to the chest.

@hut-ho78

That can go both ways. His comments starting July 13 could be looked upon most the same. “Make her so miserable she will want to leave. I’m really good at it.” Saying he was going to make sure she couldn’t compete?

Sounds like a tit for tat that went out of control.

@hut-ho78

Who started the escalation though? It looks like he did on July 13?

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Did she have that in writing? Did she agree to be on time, every time to ride as scheduled? Did she repeatedly waste his time to the point he relegated her to someone else? No instructor appreciates being made to stand around waiting for someone to come ride. In high caliber barns such as Hawthorne Hill, I suspect they have a routine that once the horse is tacked up if the rider doesn’t show up, a trainer must ride unless an agreement has been made that working students can assume that work. If she was frequently a no show, I imagine all the trainers became fed up.

She has stated before the only times she didn’t show up was when she’d been bitten by a brown recluse spider. To my knowledge this excuse has been used at least twice, so she must be pretty attractive to the shy recluse spiders!

Interestingly, the one that testifies the most about this is RG, who testifies she had always been trained by JH, from that first summer in NJ, the winter and FL, the return to NJ. But then she decided something about needing to progress.

[ohnoO]

@eggbutt

The firm he worked for in NC had always been very pleased with his bath remodel/installation work and he received high customer reviews. They hated to lose him until he vanished a second time and they wouldn’t take him back again. He did not need to be licensed to work for this company either, BTW.

Yes, I remember LK saying on line that RG did fine work—always got 5* reviews from customers—but he hated it.

That’s when LK suggested he be an independent contractor. He never got a license, but did open a LLC.

Those bath remodeling companies seem to be pretty prevalent in midsize cities. You might hate it, but if you are broke and hungry…….

[ekat]

@Sdel

My addition in bold.

Thanks!

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

The “pressure” she put on him and everyone else on that farm was terrorism. So, you condone putting a business owner under pressure to get your way?

That can go both ways. His comments starting July 13 could be looked upon most the same. “Make her so miserable she will want to leave. I’m really good at it.” Saying he was going to make sure she couldn’t compete?

Sounds like a tit for tat that went out of control.

Do YOU stay somewhere that you very clearly are not welcome? A place where no one wants to even be around you? No, normal people move on and handle any contract violations via attorneys, especially when you are posting the BS she was posting on FB. Please be realistic as to what any normal individual person would do.

[DownYonder]

@StB.YM

I’m not fully caught up yet, but I wanted to comment on this. RG testified on the stand that MB bought/paid for the building supplies himself. That would mean that the $50,000 RG wanted was for labor alone! That’s a solid year’s income for a full time, 40 hour a week job - and above minimum wage too! RG, according to his testimony, was not working 40 hours a week. How did he arrive at that $50,000 number?

Didn’t LK allude at one point to an insurance check for $100,000? I think the conjecture was that it was a claim settlement for the water damage from the broken pipe in the house. IIRC, this was also assumed to be the reason why she was hinting at “insurance fraud” although it is unknown why they would think there was fraud involved.

My guess is that either she and RG got po’d that MB wasn’t going to use it to pay RG cash for the work he had done on the house and barn, OR they decided to pressure him to split it with them so they wouldn’t “spill the beans” about fraud.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

LK had zero right to stay in that barn.

Not according to New Jersey tenant law. I base this partly on your explanations of New York tenant law, reading the for the public New Jersey helpful guidelines, and the law segments available online and posted by others all very informative.

After 30 days, they had tenant rights and evictions were to be according to law. Her testified and admitted behavior should have enabled him to evict her under the 3 day section (with time added to get time on a judge’s schedule as explained by yourself and/or others) for being disorderly. The horses could have a 30 day notice to leave.

He gave an unfiled notice, then if not acted on, he could file, then once the time was up and the paperwork signed, have LE evict her.

Wrong. Your trick won’t work. I’m not talking about the human domicile. I’m talking exclusively about the horses occupying barn space. Horses, as chattel, have zero tenancy rights snd can be compelled to leave at any time. They are never considered part of a human/landlord tenancy.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

Didn’t LK allude at one point to an insurance check for $100,000? I think the conjecture was that it was a claim settlement for the water damage from the broken pipe in the house. IIRC, this was also assumed to be the reason why she was hinting at “insurance fraud” although it is unknown why they would think there was fraud involved.

LK testified that she approached the insurance adjuster to suggest/ask if it could be insurance fraud.

The insurance adjuster testified that he’d never spoken to her.

I always assumed more nefarious measures behind that claim….

[ekat]

@Sdel

The insurance adjuster testified that he’d never spoken to her.

He also testified it was a regular, common, frozen pipe claim that happens a lot. FWIW.

@Sdel

I always assumed more nefarious measures behind that claim….

Which is why I have wondered about that, too.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

I mean, would ANYONE feel good about writing a check (or, more likely, multiple checks over several years) for $965K? Still doesn’t indicate a cash flow problem to me.

I sure didn’t feel good about getting clipped by IRS this year for an additional $19,000. Didn’t mean I had a cash flow problem, though, and my monthly expenses aren’t anywhere close to what MB’s were.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

LK testified that she approached the insurance adjuster to suggest/ask if it could be insurance fraud.

The insurance adjuster testified that he’d never spoken to her.

I always assumed more nefarious measures behind that claim….

Ah, I had forgotten about that bit of testimony. And I also have suspicions about nefarious motives.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

He should not have shot her. A completely unnecessary tragedy.

No physical evidence that he did.

It was proven in a court of law. Otherwise he would have been found simply NG, not NGRI and he would have walked out of court that day.

[ohnoO]

@DownYonder

Didn’t LK allude at one point to an insurance check for $100,000? I think the conjecture was that it was a claim settlement for the water damage from the broken pipe in the house. IIRC, this was also assumed to be the reason why she was hinting at “insurance fraud” although it is unknown why they would think there was fraud involved.

My guess is that either she and RG got po’d that MB wasn’t going to use it to pay RG cash for the work he had done on the house and barn, OR they decided to pressure him to split it with them so they wouldn’t “spill the beans” about fraud.

I thought it was $150,000, but that last paragraph is an interesting theory. Hmmmm……

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

It was proven in a court of law. Otherwise he would have been found simply NG, not NGRI and he would have walked out of court that day.

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[Sdel]

@ohnoO

@DownYonder

Didn’t LK allude at one point to an insurance check for $100,000? I think the conjecture was that it was a claim settlement for the water damage from the broken pipe in the house. IIRC, this was also assumed to be the reason why she was hinting at “insurance fraud” although it is unknown why they would think there was fraud involved.

My guess is that either she and RG got po’d that MB wasn’t going to use it to pay RG cash for the work he had done on the house and barn, OR they decided to pressure him to split it with them so they wouldn’t “spill the beans” about fraud.

I thought it was $150,000, but that last paragraph is an interesting theory. Hmmmm……

More likely it was she was just mad that MHG was going to get the renovated house she wanted. Can’t have anything good happening for MHG now can we?

[Fiesta01]

I agree. With the news of the recent 48 Hours interview, maybe they’re trying to build a case like “Look, those awful people on COTH are still bullying us.” They’re trying to build sympathy from future viewers of the program.

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

Right at the beginning of her testimony, she does state she entered into a romantic relationship with MB in 2015

This

Great post, @ekat. Thank you for being factual and providing the testimony. It seems no matter how factual one is, k-klan will distort anything to try to satisfy their own narratives. Broken records.

Edit: Sorry, not sure why everything quoted weird.

[hut-ho78]

@LilRanger

@hut-ho78

I’m not sure how much they still are because of the growing use of the internet to influence events and I wonder about that spilling into court systems.

Gossip has always been a factor in the court system. That’ is baked into the part about being “judged by a jury of your peers”.

This whole “SM influencing the court” is a newly voiced concern by you, though. What has changed in the last few weeks that has you now worried about it?

1. Speculation here as to whether or not the jury would be sequestered.
2. The criminal trial and SM comments during the same including speculation the jury and families were reading SM posts.
3. The judge shutting down comments on Law and Order and their echo of comments here.
4. Rereading the first threads to back up my own comments and noticing the introduction and close alignment of a version of events with the timing of addition of a prolific poster and the hiring of Bilinkas.
5. The concentrated attack on other views of events than that one.
6. Thinking my imagination was working overtime and the idea was preposterous until being accused of it here.
7. An article about at home side jobs in retirement listing being on a virtual jury and wondering what other jobs a defense attorney could farm out.
8. AH/JD articles on the dynamics of televised trials and crowd choosing of winners and losers.

Social media is wonderful for finding old friends and keeping up with friends and family. It’s great for “how to do” type videos, training, etc. However, other uses to manipulate public opinion can be problematic. Politically, the use can be very sophisticated and powerful. So I wonder how it can affect our courts.