Barisone assessment

[ekat]

@BrendaJane

I have reoccuring nightmares of being late everywhere.
at the same time, being notoriously early, I have nightmares that I might have missed a change of venue/date/time.
Sure one is late now and then, but not when you have to walk across the compound to get there!

My dad was one if those “if you’re on time, you’re late” people. So I have the same nightmares.

[BrendaJane]

I give people 15 minutes, but I don’t operate a busy training barn where that can be half the lesson scheduled.

[Angela_Freda]

I have limited funds, limited talent, and limited time (cause I worked three jobs to get the funds to boost the talent).
I would never, ever, knowingly, purposefully, unavoidably be late or unprepared for what I scrimped and saved and worked so hard at.
I was also very dedicated at doing my homework.
Because I valued what I’d invested in.

[trubandloki]

@BrendaJane

I have reoccuring nightmares of being late everywhere.
at the same time, being notoriously early, I have nightmares that I might have missed a change of venue/date/time.
Sure one is late now and then, but not when you have to walk across the compound to get there!

Oh my goodness, that is so me too! I do the same thing!

[Danvers]

Thank you!

[ekat]

@BrendaJane

I give people 15 minutes, but I don’t operate a busy training barn where that can be half the lesson scheduled

If your first lesson is late, the entire day gets messed up, which affects a lot of people. It rolls down on everyone, including other clients. And it’s the trainer that looks bad, always. They take the heat.

Edit to add: I don’t mean you, specifically. Just a general statement about how tardiness can be bad.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@Seeker1,

I think you need some perspective on this situation other than your daughter’s, because your statements represent a very skewed reality.

Lauren was not competing with MHG for Michael’s attention. That’s a product of Lauren’s disordered thinking. MHG is a successful professional rider and trainer at the International level.

She was an asset to the business at HH because she taught and trained.

Lauren is a lower level amateur, then working on her Bronze medal, who was not fully committed to improving.

They were not in competition with each other except in Lauren’s mind.

Also, Lauren was not “a paying boarder of 4 horses” and “doing work on the house.” That was thoroughly debunked by the trial testimony. Barisone was likely losing money every day the horses were there.

There was no competition. Not as riders, not in personal relationships.

ETA: In the USDF database, Lauren has 95 recorded rides. MHG has 433. Literally, four times the show experience, not factoring the difference in levels.

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

You actually think MHG was jealous of any attention given to Lauren??? Honestly???

The only reason Lauren would have been on MHG’s radar is because of what problems she insisted on creating. MHG was not intimidated, jealous or any of those emotions.

MHG has moved on with her life and been successful, unlike LK, who on the other hand continued a SM campaign designed to continue to trash MHG. Lauren and IM, who insisted there would be bombshells showing how MHG was the crux of the issue.

We are all still waiting on those non-existent bombshells!

BTW, MHG is still on track for the Olympics.

LK? Not so much, maybe on track for a nap in RG’s truck!

Re bolded.

I have no earthly clue as to whether MHG was jealous of the attention MB devoted LK. I never asserted that she was.

I think LK, as well as MHG and MB, should all be allowed get on with their lives as best as possible.

The major SM campaign designed to trash someone is this one right here continuing to trash LK and her family.

I have had the incredible audacity to mention MHG! I have said nothing negative about her. She is a wonderful, talented, ambitious, hard working rider.

It is not “trashing her” to point out that she was one of the three corners of the problematic triangle that tragically imploded. There is nothing “wrong” in dislike for LK or in her love for MB. Denying that the very fact of MHGs existence, however understandable her dislike for LK and love for MB, played a role in the tragedy is a way of trashing LK.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@CurrentlyHorseless and/or @Seeker1

Can you tell us what the basis is for this belief? Or any evidence?

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG’s testimony in the civil trial was gracious and classy, and she very deliberately avoided the opportunity to trash LK. Not the actions of a person who was jealous of someone else’s talent.

I would appreciate your refraining from quoting just a fragment of a sentence of mine.

What I said was

“My interpretation was what Seeker stated was that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving LK That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving LK”.

I have no earthly clue as to whether MHG was jealous of the time and attention MB was giving MHG. How would I? Perhaps Seeker does.

Is there disagreement as to the fact that MHG wanted LK off the property? At least since April? **To me what matters is that there was pressure from MHG on MB to get LK out of there, and I don’t think it matters as to the exact reason or reasons. Maybe it was personal dislike. Maybe she resented MBs attention directed to LK. Maybe she just wanted the farmhouse vacated. **

I’m pointing out that obviously LK would have known from the get go that MB is going to devote most of his attention to his talented, hardworking, ambitious assistant trainer and fiancée.

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of MHG.

In regard to the bolded part it doesn’t make one bit of difference as to WHY MHG wanted LK gone (though it’s not hard to figure out) and the fact remains when you are unwanted YOU GO.

There is no tenancy rights on boarding a horse, there is no “well that’s not fair” and there is no “She’s just jealous of me”.

LK was a customer and that is it. She wasn’t an asset to the training program but rather a severe liability.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re bolded.

I have no earthly clue as to whether MHG was jealous of the attention MB devoted LK. I never asserted that she was.

I think LK, as well as MHG and MB, should all be allowed get on with their lives as best as possible.

The major SM campaign designed to trash someone is this one right here continuing to trash LK and her family.

I have had the incredible audacity to mention MHG! I have said nothing negative about her. She is a wonderful, talented, ambitious, hard working rider.

It is not “trashing her” to point out that she was one of the three corners of the problematic triangle that tragically imploded. There is nothing “wrong” in dislike for LK or in her love for MB. Denying that the very fact of MHGs existence, however understandable her dislike for LK and love for MB, played a role in the tragedy is a way of trashing LK.

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[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The major SM campaign designed to trash someone is this one right here continuing to trash LK and her family.

Talking about the elements of the trial is not trash talking LK and it’s not our fault that her words and actions are so heinous that merely discussing them seems like “trash talking”.

In a perfect world LK would have learned from her past but clearly she didn’t and quite frankly that’s not my problem nor anyone here’s problem except friends and family of LK.

I afford the same courtesy to others as they afford to me.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have had the incredible audacity to mention MHG! I have said nothing negative about her. She is a wonderful, talented, ambitious, hard working rider.

Who you’ve chosen to further the notion was jealous of an ammy to the point of campaigning to get her tossed from where she was training.

If you’ve spent time training, riding, working in barns of upper level Dressage professionals, you know its nonsense.

[ekat]

@Angela_Freda

Who you’ve chosen to further the notion was jealous of an ammy to the point of campaigning to get her tossed from where she was training.

Jealous of someone who was barely even getting MB’s notice for over a year, per RG’s testimony.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Seeker1

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Atten

I thought you had a child to take care of.

What attention? MHG was training Lauren, not MB. Maybe after setting up lessons and seeing her lack of effort MHG and JH were of the opinion LK should just leave. Maybe MHG didn’t even want to teach Lauren. Lauren wasn’t getting any attention from MB because he wasn’t training her. When I was a girl I set up lessons at a BNT farm in CT. The trainer wouldn’t train me until his assistants said I had the skills to deserve his attention. This was Jumpers. Nimrod Farm. Ronnie and Sue Mutch. So I had a lesson with his wife, who sent me to the working students who put me on push button ponies where I rode wound and round a three foot course the no stirrups and no reins for six lessons. Then I earned my way to getting a lesson from Sue his wife. I never got a lesson from Ronnie, because the summer ended and he left for Florida for the winter and I went in different direction after that. But my skills rose considerably, and I learned that’s how it works. You earn your way to the attention of the BNT, you don’t just pay for it and get it.

Lauren apparently did not qualify for Michael’s attention. He had his assistance teaching her. That’s not. Bait and switch. That’s how it works in the dressage world. Even recently she wasn’t being trained any more by the BNT she went to in Florida, but he sent her to one of the assistants. Who fired her. You don’t work, you don’t get the attention. That’s how it goes.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@McGurk

Sorry for the partial quote. I thought it was clear since I also tagged Seeker in my post that I realized the sentiment was attributed to Seeker. I did not intend to imply that it was your thinking, just that you had posted in support of it. I’ll amend that post.

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of MHG.

Other than the social media posts disparaging her.

Thank you. The partial quote thing really bothers me, particularly since trubandloki insists on fully quoting every word I write with zero response.

One can have reason to “disparage someone” other than from being jealous, so there is still no evidence that LK “was jealous” of MHG.

If one understands that they are held in intense dislike, or condescended to, the natural reaction is to dislike the person reciprocally. I’m not condoning expressing the reciprocated dislike with disparaging or worse SM posts, but that was LKs thing. I fault her for it.

I also fault all of the major players here (not you in particular, McGurk) for expressing their intense dislike of LK by disparaging and trashing her. I’m gobsmacked that the major players here do not see the parallels between their behavior on SM here and LKs offensive SM behavior.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK.

I’m sure that exactly how LK’s disordered mind viewed the situation, and how she explained it to her mommy. But there is no basis for that in reality. We all know that. MHG may have been wary from a business perspective of a boarder who was a financial drain on the farm, rather than an income generator, but there is not a shred of evidence and no reasonable grounds to even suspect she was jealous of Lauren for any reason.

[Knights_Mom]

Maybe LK was just looking for excuses as to why she wasn’t taking the dressage world by storm and decided to instead just blame everyone else for it.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

One can have reason to “disparage someone” other than from being jealous, so there is still no evidence that LK “was jealous” of MHG

It’s in LKs manifesto I believe and I’ve posted 2 IM posts where this is stated.

[BigMama1]

@Seeker1

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Attention.

You have previously said Lauren wasn’t getting the attention from Michael she felt she deserved and was paying for. So if she wasn’t getting enough attention, how could Mary be jealous of the attention?

I think you need to question your daughter’s version of events.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK.

I’m sure that exactly how LK’s disordered mind viewed the situation, and how she explained it to her mommy. But there is no basis for that in reality. We all no that. MHG may have been wary from a business perspective of a boarder who was a financial drain on the farm, rather than an income generator, but there is not a shred of evidence and no reasonable grounds to even suspect she was jealous of Lauren for any reason.

I agree, and I don’t see why it matters what the basis for MHG wanting LK off the property was. She clearly wanted her out, and was pressuring MB to that effect.

If LK “was a financial drain” on the farm, all the more reason for MB to end the client relationship early on and legally.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

One can have reason to “disparage someone” other than from being jealous, so there is still no evidence that LK “was jealous” of MHG

It’s in LKs manifesto I believe and I’ve posted 2 IM posts where this is stated.

Sigh. Yes, IM said that MHG resented the attention MB was devoting to LK. He did not say that LK was jealous of MHG.