Barisone assessment

[ekat]

@Unfforgettable

My rule with my client lessons (horses years ago and now dogs): If your lesson is scheduled for 1pm, you are paying for my time from 1pm to 2 pm. If you show up at 1:30, your lesson is still done at exactly 2. You’ve paid for that particular hour of my time, not an hour at your leisure

Which is a very fair and reasonable rule that gives the 2 pm client the respect due.

[Seeker1]

think what you will. mb did not communicate effectively on many levels and on many fronts. she has had other trainers who were able do do this quite effectively.

[Sdel]

@Ambitious_Kate

With this particular mother and daughter, the inability to walk away as well as the lack of self awareness enough to stop perseverating on MBs personal life seems to be inherited.

Well, they were both on YT comments yesterday.

Really now, evidence in the civil trial that will result in serious perjury charges for two witnesses? Projection?

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Thank you. The partial quote thing really bothers me, particularly since trubandloki insists on fully quoting every word I write with zero response.

One can have reason to “disparage someone” other than from being jealous, so there is still no evidence that LK “was jealous” of MHG.

If one understands that they are held in intense dislike, or condescended to, the natural reaction is to dislike the person reciprocally. I’m not condoning expressing the reciprocated dislike with disparaging or worse SM posts, but that was LKs thing. I fault her for it.

I also fault all of the major players here (not you in particular, McGurk) for expressing their intense dislike of LK by disparaging and trashing her. I’m gobsmacked that the major players here do not see the parallels between their behavior on SM here and LKs offensive SM behavior.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I agree, and I don’t see why it matters what the basis for MHG wanting LK off the property was. She clearly wanted her out, and was pressuring MB to that effect.

If LK “was a financial drain” on the farm, all the more reason for MB to end the client relationship early on and legally.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Sigh. Yes, IM said that MHG resented the attention MB was devoting to LK. He did not say that LK was jealous of MHG.

@Angela_Freda

Bazinga

I read it in my best mental Sheldon voice.

@Seeker1

Actually it was a business arrangement Knights_Mom. If you have a verbal agreement with someone, that is a contract. Despite the fact that this arrangement had been made and he reneged, either MHG or Justin was better than anything else she had lined up at the time. This was my observation at the time. I can’t really speak for her. I am just telling you what I observed. I was a somewhat frequent visitor to the barn and had conversations about this topic here and there with various people.

@Seeker1

If you listen to MHG’s testimony, she mentioned it herself on the first day of her testimony.
I have posted this a few times already but MHG makes her feelings clear on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CaQGzfdEg8&t=2s

@CurrentlyHorseless

Based on the text by MB to MHG on July 13 assuring MHG that he would make them so miserable that they would be begging to leave, and assuring her that he was very, very good at it.

Are you seriously questioning that MHG wanted her out?

@CurrentlyHorseless

Interesting that you claim to know how someone else’s mind works.

@Seeker1

think what you will. mb did not communicate effectively on many levels and on many fronts. she has had other trainers who were able do do this quite effectively.

So confusing, the whole thing.
Why stay with a trainer who is not giving you what you want?

I can totally understand any trainer, even one not high enough level, not wanting to continue to train someone who is so not serious enough to show up on time.

When does the burden of you (the rider) not reaching your goals fall on your own shoulders when you are not showing up on time and skipping lesson?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

She clearly wanted her out, and was pressuring MB to that effect.

“Clearly” to whom? And based on what, other than a few posts from IM?

Based on the text by MB to MHG on July 13 assuring MHG that he would make them so miserable that they would be begging to leave, and assuring her that he was very, very good at it.

Are you seriously questioning that MHG wanted her out?

Everybody wanted her out. I would too. There is no crime in wanting her out. She was not entitled to stay in that barn. Just GO.

WHY IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

There is no crime in wanting her out. 100% understand and agree.

Why is it MB had not asked her to leave, as late as August 3, per sworn testimony of MHG?

[OntheFnce]

@Seeker1

Actually it was a business arrangement Knights_Mom. If you have a verbal agreement with someone, that is a contract. Despite the fact that this arrangement had been made and he reneged, either MHG or Justin was better than anything else she had lined up at the time. This was my observation at the time. I can’t really speak for her. I am just telling you what I observed. I was a somewhat frequent visitor to the barn and had conversations about this topic here and there with various people.

If LK routinely does not adhere to her end of the deal (doesn’t show up to lessons) then why would she expect MB to continue to teach her?That’s entitled behavior on LK’s end. Where did she learn that??

[Angela_Freda]

@Seeker1

think what you will. mb did not communicate effectively on many levels and on many fronts. she has had other trainers who were able do do this quite effectively.

But she chose to stay, even after this. After not getting her moneys worth. After a bait and switch. After knowing she wasn’t wanted. While knowing she had other capable trainers she knew, one assumes she could have returned to, whom “were able do do this quite effectively”.
Yet, she stayed.

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

think what you will. mb did not communicate effectively on many levels and on many fronts. she has had other trainers who were able do do this quite effectively.

If true because of this Lauren had to FINISH THE BASTARD?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no crime in wanting her out. 100% understand and agree.

Why is it MB had not asked her to leave, as late as August 3, per sworn testimony of MHG?

OMG do you ever stop with this? Explain why JK was engaged in finding and negotiating another place if they did not know MB wanted her out?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@Seeker1

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Attention.

Yeah well that’s sick. That’s a stunning lack of maturity. How embarrassing!!

Edited to clarify: I’m speaking of LK being jealous of the attention MHG got.

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of the attention MHG got.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The major SM campaign designed to trash someone is this one right here continuing to trash LK and her family.

I have had the incredible audacity to mention MHG! I have said nothing negative about her. She is a wonderful, talented, ambitious, hard working rider.

It is not “trashing her” to point out that she was one of the three corners of the problematic triangle that tragically imploded. There is nothing “wrong” in dislike for LK or in her love for MB. Denying that the very fact of MHGs existence, however understandable her dislike for LK and love for MB, played a role in the tragedy is a way of trashing LK.

Let me get this straight - recognizing MHG’s abilities, talent and work at the barn is a way of trashing LK? How very convoluted and peculiar.

LK trashed herself - the ninja antics, the endless preening, sneering SM posts - even long before the day of the shooting. She continues to do so - I am not sure why she is trying to blow up her civil case… but there you have it.

As far as the bolded goes - I have to laugh at the idea that this small forum is a major SM “campaign”… other than serving as yet another place for LK to rage and rant and for others to bend over backwards to justify her words and actions. The worst trashing of LK has been done/is done by… herself. The contradictions, the threats, the hints of bombshells… it is all very sad.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@Seeker1

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Attention.

Yeah well that’s sick. That’s a stunning lack of maturity. How embarrassing!!

Edited to clarify: I’m speaking of LK being jealous of the attention MHG got.

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of the attention MHG got.

Her manifesto makes it clear. She was jealous and wanted to and threatened to punish MHG. It’s all right there.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no crime in wanting her out. 100% understand and agree.

Why is it MB had not asked her to leave, as late as August 3, per sworn testimony of MHG?

@Knights_Mom

Explain why JK was engaged in finding and negotiating another place if they did not know MB wanted her out?

Stop being so darn logical!

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of the attention MHG got.

[Angela_Freda]

Who writes a manifesto?
Who Does That?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no crime in wanting her out. 100% understand and agree.

Why is it MB had not asked her to leave, as late as August 3, per sworn testimony of MHG?

OMG do you ever stop with this? Explain why JK was engaged in finding and negotiating another place if they did not know MB wanted her out?

He did not unilaterally request that she leave with 30 days notice.

Since he wanted her out quickly, JK was negotiating to make that happen in a way that was acceptable to both parties.

Since MB did not want to go the route he could have taken unilaterally, he had to get her agreement to leave sooner than 30 days.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

The major SM campaign designed to trash someone is this one right here continuing to trash LK and her family.

I have had the incredible audacity to mention MHG! I have said nothing negative about her. She is a wonderful, talented, ambitious, hard working rider.

It is not “trashing her” to point out that she was one of the three corners of the problematic triangle that tragically imploded. There is nothing “wrong” in dislike for LK or in her love for MB. Denying that the very fact of MHGs existence, however understandable her dislike for LK and love for MB, played a role in the tragedy is a way of trashing LK.

Let me get this straight - recognizing MHG’s abilities, talent and work at the barn is a way of trashing LK? How very convoluted and peculiar.

LK trashed herself - the ninja antics, the endless preening, sneering SM posts - even long before the day of the shooting. She continues to do so - I am not sure why she is trying to blow up her civil case… but there you have it.

As far as the bolded goes - I have to laugh at the idea that this small forum is a major SM “campaign”… other than serving as yet another place for LK to rage and rant and for others to bend over backwards to justify her words and actions. The worst trashing of LK has been done/is done by… herself the contradictions, the threats, the hints of bombshells… it is all very sad.

LOL. ROTFLMAO. No other response.

[trubandloki]

I have learned from this forum - be very careful who you (general) take legal advice from.

@CurrentlyHorseless

He did not unilaterally request that she leave with 30 days notice.

Since he wanted her out quickly, JK was negotiating to make that happen in a way that was acceptable to both parties.

Since MB did not want to go the route he could have taken unilaterally, he had to get her agreement to leave sooner than 30 days.

@CurrentlyHorseless

LOL. ROTFLMAO. No other response.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

He did not unilaterally request that she leave with 30 days notice.

Since he wanted her out quickly, JK was negotiating to make that happen in a way that was acceptable to both parties.

Since MB did not want to go the route he could have taken unilaterally, he had to get her agreement to leave sooner than 30 days.

So, we’re back to that piece of paper being motivation MB, Mr Tarshis and her own father couldn’t provide? The piece of paper is what’s magically going to get her out?

Or, is that notice going to instead cause her to dig in her heels enough her dad hires her an attorney, meanwhile, she decides to call SS and sends RG to city offices with building complaints, post receipt of the notice?

[omare]

From a strictly legal perspective, it seems MB erred as an experienced successful business man/horseman, in failing to have a written contract on the front end and failing to timely take legal action to evict client/tenant and/or put an agistor lien on the horses for unpaid board bills. If nothing else, it is is a lesson to us all (professional and client/customer) not to barter services and goods (that seems to usually end up a disaster in any context), have contracts in place, and timely initiate legal actions (such as eviction proceedings).(Sorry this may have inadvertently ends up as a reply somehow…so I am forum challenged…I would undo but figure I will make it worse…)

[smoofox]

@Angela_Freda

Who writes a manifesto?
Who Does That?

The self-important types - like the barn manager who was fired here (and who I and others CLEARLY wanted to get out - how shameful of us)… and the TBFH (trainer bitch from h*ll) who also all but destroyed what was a happy, peaceful barn… thanks to her arrogance, narcissism and minions who did her bidding (like dumping out water buckets in the paddocks so TBFH could then whine that the farm staff never watered and was trying to harm the horses. And that is only the tip of the many icebergs. I also made it very clear (GASP) to the BO that she needed to go. For a while, championship ribbons were far more important to the BO but she finally saw the light.

Thank God those twits did not overlap their time here. They each posted a lengthy manifesto on FB after they were finally GONE, citing how persecuted they were, how evil the farm staff was, how vile the boarders were… and yet the ex-barn manager never even hinted about all the board money she pocketed for her personal use. I guess she did not think I was smart enough to realize when I did the bank deposits that there were far less checks than horses… and then a new boarder mentioned in passing to a long-term boarder that she thought it was “funny” that she had to write checks to the barn manager and not the farm.

Busted.

Plus some investigation at the feed store revealed feed picked up and charged to the farm that was not in the feed room… but apparently left the property in the back of that idiot’s friends’ trucks. That also happened with TBFH.

IME, that kind of person pens wordy, threatening manifestoes. Manifestos. Whatever…