Barisone assessment

[OntheFnce]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have at any time issued a demand to vacate in 30 days without going into negotiations that required LKs agreement. That’s my point.

First of all, that’s not the point you’ve been trying to make for months. You keep insisting that MHG’s testimony says nobody ASKED them to leave, which is blatantly false.

Secondly, why should MB have ever needed to issue a formal demand? Most normal people would simply leave when asked or it was made clear they were no longer welcome.

Once they didn’t leave more action was required, so the plan to move her down the road was negotiated. When than plan didn’t result in them moving, the formal letter notifying them of eviction was issued.

What part of this aren’t you understanding or pretending not to understand? Nobody is actually that dense.

If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but I don’t appreciate your correcting me as to what my point is.

In the months before the trial, my opinion or assertion that she had not been asked to leave prior to Aug 5 was based on the assertion made by MB in his civil suit that they had asked LK to leave on Aug 5. My thinking is that if they had asked her to leave prior to Aug 5, he would have said the earlier date in his civil suit.

Omg, really. She ranted for days on end how she was being bullied, harassed, and people were out to get her. People volunteered to get her horses out (I boarded right around the corner from HH and there are more than enough barns, dressage and other, to accommodate her and her horses). The bottom line is, SHE COULD HAVE JUST PACKED UP AND LEFT!

Starting when, July 31? August 1? Yes, Barisone was attempting to scare and harass her into leaving within days. That’s my interpretation of most of his 911 calls: intimidation and harassment.

I think she would have complied with a normal notice to vacate without the harassment and intimidation, and she’s the type of person who digs in her heels in response to bullying and harassment. And posts about it on Facebook.

If you’re interpreting the campaign of intimidation and harassment as “asking her to leave”, then yes, that started before Aug 3 or Aug 5.

What I am interpreting is what she perceived and ranted about. If she perceived she was being threatened, then leave.
No where did I say that MB harassed her. On the contrary, she harassed him.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Perhaps you could respond to my point that MB himself in his civil suit said that they had been asked to leave on Aug 5.

Cite, please?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If a written letter (paper or email) had been conveyed informing her that the training relationship was ending 30 days hence, I think they probably would have vacated without the antics.

Nonsense. If that were the case they wouldn’t have needed written notice and would have vacated sans “antics” (weird description of what sounds like criminal harassment, but ok) as soon as they were asked, or as soon as it was suggested they weren’t welcome, or as soon as they were unhappy with the training arrangement.

Perhaps they wouldn’t have needed written notice. Written notice is just a safeguard for the landlord.

Obviously it was known prior to Aug 3 or Aug 5 that “they were unwelcome”. But it’s not clear to me that things got ugly before the last week of July. I can see LK as not wanting to be forced out faster than the 30 days notice she was entitled to as a legal tenant. I can see her as using MBs desire to get her out within days as a bargaining chip for some form of cash for keys. I think if she had imagined that he was capable of shooting her, she would have scuttled out of there in 24 hours.

[MorganSercu]

Didn’t Lauren train and possibly compete in ice skating as a minor? Surely she figured out then that if you don’t put in the time, you do not train with an Olympian. Or did she insist the only reason she didn’t have a better coach was because the assistant coach was jealous of her talent (and beauty)?

It is hard to type that with a straight face.

Or was it dancing? Same principles apply. It is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

[KurPlexed]

@BrendaJane

I have reoccuring nightmares of being late everywhere.
at the same time, being notoriously early, I have nightmares that I might have missed a change of venue/date/time.

Omg me too! It’s the worst!! I once showed up for an event a day early bc my type A took over and convinced me it was a day earlier lol. So embarrassing

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

How is it “demonstrably false” that they had not been asked to leave as of Aug 3?

Asked and answered.

Because MB, JK and their lawyers had negotiated alternative housing and stabling for them to begin in Aug 2. Duh.

I thought LK was only informed of the proposed deal as of Aug 5, and declined to sign on.

How could the deal start as of Aug 2?

I know that the lawyers as agents had negotiated a proposed deal. However, LK as a principal had not signed on.

[trubandloki]

@KurPlexed

Omg me too! It’s the worst!! I once showed up for an event a day early bc my type A took over and convinced me it was a day earlier lol. So embarrassing

I went to the dentist a day early once. I agree, so embarrassing.

[cutter99]

I just showed up for my last haircut 2 hours early. My appointment was at 1 and I was convinced it was 11.

I would so much rather be early than late.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

Perhaps you could respond to my point that MB himself in his civil suit said that they had been asked to leave on Aug 5.

Cite, please?

It’s in the 100 page civil suit that MB filed against the MC police. He gave an speech in the lobby of the police headquarters explaining his distress on Aug 5, and said he had notified them he wanted out that same day.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have at any time issued a demand to vacate in 30 days without going into negotiations that required LKs agreement. That’s my point.

First of all, that’s not the point you’ve been trying to make for months. You keep insisting that MHG’s testimony says nobody ASKED them to leave, which is blatantly false.

Secondly, why should MB have ever needed to issue a formal demand? Most normal people would simply leave when asked or it was made clear they were no longer welcome.

Once they didn’t leave more action was required, so the plan to move her down the road was negotiated. When than plan didn’t result in them moving, the formal letter notifying them of eviction was issued.

What part of this aren’t you understanding or pretending not to understand? Nobody is actually that dense.

If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but I don’t appreciate your correcting me as to what my point is.

In the months before the trial, my opinion or assertion that she had not been asked to leave prior to Aug 5 was based on the assertion made by MB in his civil suit that they had asked LK to leave on Aug 5. My thinking is that if they had asked her to leave prior to Aug 5, he would have said the earlier date in his civil suit.

Omg, really. She ranted for days on end how she was being bullied, harassed, and people were out to get her. People volunteered to get her horses out (I boarded right around the corner from HH and there are more than enough barns, dressage and other, to accommodate her and her horses). The bottom line is, SHE COULD HAVE JUST PACKED UP AND LEFT!

Starting when, July 31? August 1? Yes, Barisone was attempting to scare and harass her into leaving within days. That’s my interpretation of most of his 911 calls: intimidation and harassment.

I think she would have complied with a normal notice to vacate without the harassment and intimidation, and she’s the type of person who digs in her heels in response to bullying and harassment. And posts about it on Facebook.

If you’re interpreting the campaign of intimidation and harassment as “asking her to leave”, then yes, that started before Aug 3 or Aug 5.

What I am interpreting is what she perceived and ranted about. If she perceived she was being threatened, then leave.
No where did I say that MB harassed her. On the contrary, she harassed him.

I understand that you did not say MB harassed her. I said he harassed her. She also harassed him. That was the tragic cycle of reciprocal bullying and harassment that ended so badly.

[3PonyFarm]

@ekat

@3PonyFarm

Thank you, I won’t try to impress my attorney friend with it then. I just learned adduce.

Tell your friend that someone is going to adduce evidence of “true perjury”, as opposed to false perjury (?) from a criminal trial into a civil trial. It’s a good laugh, anyway.

She thought that was funny. She was surprised they would be making SM comments before a civil trial.

She also knows someone else who watched the criminal trial. The person isn’t a horse person but a law student. The case was discussed in their class.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s in the 100 page civil suit that MB filed against the MC police. He gave an speech in the lobby of the police headquarters explaining his distress on Aug 5, and said he had notified them he wanted out that same day.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I understand that you did not say MB harassed her. I said he harassed her. She also harassed him. That was the tragic cycle of reciprocal bullying and harassment that ended so badly.

@3PonyFarm

She also knows someone else who watched the criminal trial. The person isn’t a horse person but a law student. The case was discussed in their class.

Oh, this sounds interesting. What did the class think?

[ekat]

Couple things:

The suit is only 37 pages long, including all affirmations, etc. not 100.

Here’s the specific language:

Nevertheless, BARISONE mustered the courage to confront the officers, telling them, in words and/or in substance, the following:

I NEED a supervisor. A Detective. We are in danger. I have LUNATICS attacking me and my family at the Farm. They are drug addicts. They are violent criminals. They have guns. They are posting deadly threats against us on social media. We need protection. They have been served vacate orders today. There WILL be trouble. WE ARE IN FEAR FOR OUR LIVES. What they are posting is JUST LIKE Parkland School. They WILL harm us. I need a mental health professional to look at this stuff. I have papers in my truck in the parking lot showing the threats and violent messages they are posting. I need a ranking officer to deal with this situation. It is your job. WE ARE IN FEAR FOR OUR LIVES.”

Specifically, Mr Deininger says he used these words or substance, first of all. Second, the EXACT language is: “They have been served vacate orders today.”

Not, today’s the first time I thought I’d mention it’s time to go.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

She thought that was funny. She was surprised they would be making SM comments before a civil trial.

She also knows someone else who watched the criminal trial. The person isn’t a horse person but a law student. The case was discussed in their class.

Many people are surprised by that.

Wow! I wonder how that discussion went? You don’t have to post anything. I just find it interesting.

[BrendaJane]

understood

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@3PonyFarm

She thought that was funny. She was surprised they would be making SM comments before a civil trial.

She also knows someone else who watched the criminal trial. The person isn’t a horse person but a law student. The case was discussed in their class.

Many people are surprised by that.

Wow! I wonder how that discussion went? You don’t have to post anything. I just find it interesting.

But… But… But…
I want them to post how the discussion in the class went, darn it.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

But… But… But…
I want them to post how the discussion in the class went, darn it.

I do too. If it doesn’t make anyone involved in the class or the telling uncomfortable.

[KurPlexed]

@Knights_Mom

Moral of the story- don’t give ultimatums to those you claim to love. Unless you possess some SICK desire for unwanted drama- don’t do it. What you think will make you happy will only cause misery. Take a look around. Is your boyfriend (or girlfriend) happy? Or, living in misery because of your ultimatum? My bet- it’s misery. And it’s only going to get worse. Much worse. If you’ve received insurance money to ensure “all your dreams come true,” I’d suggest covering your tracks better. Or… I’d simply suggest DO NOT GIVE ULTIMATUMS. At least not where others can HEAR YOU. You may not be so happy when your newly found funds have run dry… Sometimes, it’s best to just accept you don’t ALWAYS get your way in life. Sometimes… you meet someone who gives not 2 fucks who you are- or, who your adulterous bf is. Sometimes, you’re outmatched - outwitted - under resourced & giving up what you THOUGHT you wanted most- may save you losing the career you tried to build your livelihood and your relationship. Ultimatums, as I originally stated, ONLY CAUSE resentment. Avoid giving them at ALL costs or all costs will be incurred. The end!

This is so SICK. No matter how many times I hear/ read this it’s probably the deepest, sickest thing I’ve ever heard. How ANYONE can defend the writer of this is beyond. Scary sick and shame on anyone who defends this.

Btw IDK where LK came from (discipline wise) but it’s very evident those defending her have never experienced a high performance barn in any discipline. Maybe it was greed MB decided to take on a rank amateur or maybe the wool. Was being pulled over his eyes or maybe both but when this level of sick shows up IN YOUR HOUSE, On your doorstep, intertwined in your life that’s panic mode 100%. I’m shocked 3 people are still defending her. As a mother I would die of embarrassment and shame.

[KurPlexed]

Also. Who did LK want to move into the house? A woman and a baby???

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

Couple things:

The suit is only 37 pages long, including all affirmations, etc. not 100.

Here’s the specific language:

Nevertheless, BARISONE mustered the courage to confront the officers, telling them, in words and/or in substance, the following:

I NEED a supervisor. A Detective. We are in danger. I have LUNATICS attacking me and my family at the Farm. They are drug addicts. They are violent criminals. They have guns. They are posting deadly threats against us on social media. We need protection. They have been served vacate orders today. There WILL be trouble. WE ARE IN FEAR FOR OUR LIVES. What they are posting is JUST LIKE Parkland School. They WILL harm us. I need a mental health professional to look at this stuff. I have papers in my truck in the parking lot showing the threats and violent messages they are posting. I need a ranking officer to deal with this situation. It is your job. WE ARE IN FEAR FOR OUR LIVES.”

Specifically, Mr Deininger says he used these words or substance, first of all. Second, the EXACT language is: “They have been served vacate orders today.”

Not, today’s the first time I thought I’d mention it’s time to go.

LOL. Fine. Thanks for looking up the text.

On Aug 5 the civil suit says that Barisone stated that “They have been served vacate orders today.”

He says nothing —nada— about when he first “mentioned it was time to go”.