Barisone assessment

[3PonyFarm]

She did not elaborate on it but said it was for rules of evidence. I told her to tell the student (a second year law school student) to check this site out.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LOL. Fine. Thanks for looking up the text.

On Aug 5 the civil suit says that Barisone stated that “They have been served vacate orders today.”

He says nothing —nada— about when he first “mentioned it was time to go”.

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[ohnoO]

@MorganSercu

Didn’t Lauren train and possibly compete in ice skating as a minor? Surely she figured out then that if you don’t put in the time, you do not train with an Olympian. Or did she insist the only reason she didn’t have a better coach was because the assistant coach was jealous of her talent (and beauty)?

It is hard to type that with a straight face.

Or was it dancing? Same principles apply. It is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

Sometimes in the last couple of years I have thought that if she had started riding as a 5-6 yo and had shown ponies at Devon, Indoors, etc, then she and her parents would have a better handle on the commitment it takes, not to mention the $$$$. But alas….

[OntheFnce]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have at any time issued a demand to vacate in 30 days without going into negotiations that required LKs agreement. That’s my point.

First of all, that’s not the point you’ve been trying to make for months. You keep insisting that MHG’s testimony says nobody ASKED them to leave, which is blatantly false.

Secondly, why should MB have ever needed to issue a formal demand? Most normal people would simply leave when asked or it was made clear they were no longer welcome.

Once they didn’t leave more action was required, so the plan to move her down the road was negotiated. When than plan didn’t result in them moving, the formal letter notifying them of eviction was issued.

What part of this aren’t you understanding or pretending not to understand? Nobody is actually that dense.

If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but I don’t appreciate your correcting me as to what my point is.

In the months before the trial, my opinion or assertion that she had not been asked to leave prior to Aug 5 was based on the assertion made by MB in his civil suit that they had asked LK to leave on Aug 5. My thinking is that if they had asked her to leave prior to Aug 5, he would have said the earlier date in his civil suit.

Omg, really. She ranted for days on end how she was being bullied, harassed, and people were out to get her. People volunteered to get her horses out (I boarded right around the corner from HH and there are more than enough barns, dressage and other, to accommodate her and her horses). The bottom line is, SHE COULD HAVE JUST PACKED UP AND LEFT!

Starting when, July 31? August 1? Yes, Barisone was attempting to scare and harass her into leaving within days. That’s my interpretation of most of his 911 calls: intimidation and harassment.

I think she would have complied with a normal notice to vacate without the harassment and intimidation, and she’s the type of person who digs in her heels in response to bullying and harassment. And posts about it on Facebook.

If you’re interpreting the campaign of intimidation and harassment as “asking her to leave”, then yes, that started before Aug 3 or Aug 5.

What I am interpreting is what she perceived and ranted about. If she perceived she was being threatened, then leave.
No where did I say that MB harassed her. On the contrary, she harassed him.

I understand that you did not say MB harassed her. I said he harassed her. She also harassed him. That was the tragic cycle of reciprocal bullying and harassment that ended so badly.

You fail to understand she was the root of the problem. All she had to do was leave. It was his business and his home.

[MHM]

@KurPlexed

Omg me too! It’s the worst!! I once showed up for an event a day early bc my type A took over and convinced me it was a day earlier lol. So embarrassing

I have to ask. What kind of event? Lol.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

She did not elaborate on it but said it was for rules of evidence. I told her to tell the student (a second year law school student) to check this site out.

Very interesting!

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have at any time issued a demand to vacate in 30 days without going into negotiations that required LKs agreement. That’s my point.

I sincerely want to know what you believe would have happened once they received whatever document YOU require to convince you they were actually told to leave?

See, most of us believe they knew they were out and ratcheted up their attack for whatever reason. You seem to think they would have stopped all their antics.

If a written letter (paper or email) had been conveyed informing her that the training relationship was ending 30 days hence, I think they probably would have vacated without the antics. I think the vague deals about RGs work and possible promised lifetime board for Jay-T would have introduced arguing over who owed who what, which would have complicated things.

I think a good portion of their “antics” were tit for tat retaliation to MBs decision to “make their lives miserable”, his attempt to “scare them out” and his attempt to get her banned by USEF.

I’m not in favor of tit for tat retaliation in which everyone loses. But that’s what both parties seemed to go for. Successful negotiations need to aim for some degree of win/win. In this case each side seemed so determined to make the other side “lose”, they ended up with a massive lose/lose all around.

Interesting that they wouldn’t have known of those private conversations without illegal surveillance. They should have left when told as any normal people would. You have never interacted with Lauren in real life have you? What any normal person would do isn’t what LK does. MB/MH regrettably learned that when they spoke with the people they called in late July-early August.

By the way, MB’s “attempt” is still pending with USEF.

[3PonyFarm]

Would that be for how evidence is presented in court? I told her to tell the student about the shoddy police work.

[trubandloki]

@OntheFnce

You fail to understand she was the root of the problem. All she had to do was leave. It was his business and his home.

This! This is a short and concise summation of the whole situation.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of the attention MHG got

Holy crap! Really? This whole thing reeks of jealously. Performance jealousy and status jealousy. LK was Pissed!!

[3PonyFarm]

They have had almost 3 years to review the case. Aren’t they finished yet?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB could have at any time issued a demand to vacate in 30 days without going into negotiations that required LKs agreement. That’s my point.

I sincerely want to know what you believe would have happened once they received whatever document YOU require to convince you they were actually told to leave?

See, most of us believe they knew they were out and ratcheted up their attack for whatever reason. You seem to think they would have stopped all their antics.

If a written letter (paper or email) had been conveyed informing her that the training relationship was ending 30 days hence, I think they probably would have vacated without the antics. I think the vague deals about RGs work and possible promised lifetime board for Jay-T would have introduced arguing over who owed who what, which would have complicated things.

I think a good portion of their “antics” were tit for tat retaliation to MBs decision to “make their lives miserable”, his attempt to “scare them out” and his attempt to get her banned by USEF.

I’m not in favor of tit for tat retaliation in which everyone loses. But that’s what both parties seemed to go for. Successful negotiations need to aim for some degree of win/win. In this case each side seemed so determined to make the other side “lose”, they ended up with a massive lose/lose all around.

I see your quotation marks and raise you a Mmkay

[FitzE]

I believe ‘true perjury’ is a made-up concept b/c she knows she and RG said things under oath that are provably untrue, thus, they want to be able to go after others for untrue (whether that’s accurate or not) statements made under oath while they, themselves, are not pursued for the same issue. She will deem their untruths under oath not ‘true perjury’ while anything anyone else says that she personally considers untrue will be deem ‘true perjury’.

It’s just one more example of rules for thee and not for me (or we, if we’re including RG’s whoppers on the stand). This pattern has been long established.

[OntheFnce]

@KurPlexed

@CurrentlyHorseless

There is no evidence that LK was jealous of the attention MHG got

Holy crap! Really? This whole thing reeks of jealously. Performance jealousy and status jealousy. LK was Pissed!!

Of course she was jealous and fwiw, the barn I was boarding at used many of the same professional services that HH used…some of those professionals had opinions of LK and suffice to say, they were not flattering.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but I don’t appreciate your correcting me as to what my point is.

I don’t appreciate you asserting over and over (and over and over) again that MHG testified they had never been asked to leave, when that is demonstrably false.

Sorry. It is my interpretation of the MHG text that she is saying that no one has actually formally told them to leave.

Perhaps you could respond to my point that MB himself in his civil suit said that they had been asked to leave on Aug 5. If they had been asked to leave earlier, even informally and not in writing, why wouldn’t he have mentioned the earlier date?

My interpretation of MHGs text to MB is based on the MB reference to their being asked to leave on Aug 5.

How is it “demonstrably false” that they had not been asked to leave as of Aug 3?

Recognizable pattern here.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

Would that be for how evidence is presented in court? I told her to tell the student about the shoddy police work.

Yes, and why things are excluded. The Rules of Evidence is a hugely thick book, lol. There’s a federal set and then most states follow it fairly closely. So, now my mind is spinning on what evidence they were discussing, lol.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LOL. Fine. Thanks for looking up the text.

On Aug 5 the civil suit says that Barisone stated that “They have been served vacate orders today.”

He says nothing —nada— about when he first “mentioned it was time to go”.

More LOLs. So much for that need for serious discussion, I guess.

He says nothing about that because they were long past that point. If you are naive enough to actually think that zero mention was made about LK having to leave before the posted comments were noted and the orders to vacate had been served… well, that is just… I dunno. SMH.

You really worry at this and fret about it for some reason and somehow have decided that nary a word was exchanged about leaving between the two factions before that vacate notice? How odd that you felt it was 100 pages as opposed to 37 - if any of us had made such an embellishment, you would have jumped all over it…

IMO LK had no intention of leaving - it was all part of her sad Finish the Bastard game and she was confident that she was the smartest person there (as that manifesto screams) and all would bend to her will in time. Just like the disruptive barn characters I have previously mentioned that we had to deal with…

[ekat]

@FitzE

I believe ‘true perjury’ is a made-up concept b/c she knows she and RG said things under oath that are provably untrue, thus, they want to be able to go after others for untrue (whether that’s accurate or not) statements made under oath while they, themselves, are not pursued for the same issue. She will deem their untruths under oath not ‘true perjury’ while anything anyone else says that she personally considers untrue will be deem ‘true perjury’.

It’s just one more example of rules for thee and not for me (or we, if we’re including RG’s whoppers on the stand). This pattern has been long established.

Wow - I’m stunned, and impressed you could decipher that!

[3PonyFarm]

Mine too! My friend isn’t a horse person at all, more of a client/friend. I see her in person in August and will try to get more info.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

Mine too! My friend isn’t a horse person at all, more of a client/friend. I see her in person in August and will try to get more info.

That’s cool. :). I thought maybe when you first mentioned it, maybe they were talking verdict, or the dueling experts, because from a purely, clinically, legal perspective, that is a fascinating part of the case.