Barisone assessment

[eggbutt]

@TBLover

I would suggest that when someone says something like “How do I keep this going? I can’t sleep. I have to be aware,” its not that the person is saying literally that they “can’t sleep”, but more along the line of “I can’t fall asleep at the wheel”: i.e., they have to always pay attention to things…

True! It is interesting that someone might say something regarding a big expenditure coming due, worrying about cash flow (haven’t we all at some point it time? Well, except LK), equipment breaking down on and on, coupled with the phrase “I’m losing sleep” or “I can’t sleep” due to whatever, and the Kanareks and their obsessive defenders take it as absolute fact of something nefarious; but, FINISH THE BASTARD is perfectly fine, even Googling various meanings to explain her threatening, angry text.

[Seeker1]

Here is the actual clip of MHG describing the cash flow problems and the dollars associated:

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3huaQmcVVBIpXIrjV4VBvlOL9nv88NJk.

MHG said he had cash flow problems and listed the expenses.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

What is your source for saying there is not a single text in that time period? Did you or do you have access to all of the texts? Just a few were presented in court but there may have been many more. The prosecutor made what seemed like an error later with the shooting social media posts that Dr Simring used for his evaluation. When he tried to talk about more the two he entered into evidence the judge stopped him. Perhaps he has a pattern of trying to only introducing enough to make his point.

Complete sentences are your friend here.

“So, if the cash flow problems were so bad, why isn’t there one single text between NOVEMBER 2018 and the shooting where he brings that up introduced into evidence?”

If that’s his pattern, it’s a poor one because basic trial strategy is to introduce the best, closest in time evidence.

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[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

The question was poorly worded. How does he get his money as opposed to earn.

Better question, how does SHE get her money as opposed to earn it.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Has Seeker1 accused anyone of “blatant perjury”. or of “perjury” of any form? I haven’t seen Seeker use the word perjury.

As I recall Seeker said something about statements that JK was involved in the negotiations was, what was the technical term, “BS”.

I recall a nice explanation of perjury provided by one of the lawyers (maybe Ekat), that said that simply stating under oath something factually untrue did not necessarily constitute perjury. Instead it mattered whether the untrue aspect was or wasn’t material to the issue.

There was something about a man cheating on his wife and saying under oath he was at the grocery store instead at his lover’s house to avoid exposing the affair. If his lying about being “at the grocery store” was immaterial to what he has testifying about, it was not perjury. But my memory is not perfect.

Did Seeker use the word perjury? Blatant perjury? Is that even a thing?

@hut-ho78

What is your source for saying there is not a single text in that time period? Did you or do you have access to all of the texts? Just a few were presented in court but there may have been many more. The prosecutor made what seemed like an error later with the shooting social media posts that Dr Simring used for his evaluation. When he tried to talk about more the two he entered into evidence the judge stopped him. Perhaps he has a pattern of trying to only introducing enough to make his point.

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Since she had just testified to that in court, I find your question or your point a mystery.

I’m not aware if her father manages her money or provides his own funds.

I don’t think anyone but @Seeker1 knows.

[iridedressage]

@hut-ho78

@iridedressage

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

@hut-ho78

Post 3376 arrived at a conclusion that ignored the part where MB said he couldn’t sleep for trying to keep up with expenses. The information within the post contradicted the written conclusion.

It does indicate he had cash flow problems as did I think the testimony of at least one of the mental health professionals who said he brought her back to New Jersey in 2019 because he needed the money.

Nope, you’re wrong. Post 3376 contains the transcript from the trial. “Cash flow problems” was never spoken in testimony. It was said MB had to be careful with his money and that has been wildly misinterpreted since.

So careful he couldn’t sleep at night especially with a payout of $965,000, 3 horses possibly valued in the 6 figures, loss of his spouse’s income and her management ability (he credited publicly with making it possible for him to train and compete).

He was not yet in partnership with MHG and she testified she contributed nothing to his business except riding horses (which is a very good value in itself at her level of expertise) and she had 8-9 horses on-site with no board.

If the term “cash flow problems” is obtainable perhaps “expenses induced insomnia” would be more acceptable.

Not being able to sleep can cause hallucinations after about 3 days and one’s decision making ability is degraded.

His breakdown could have already been well underway just because of not sleeping because of anxiety over expenses due to the divorce.

If you look at the active shooter description in the link, he checks all the boxes. Also, a different point, the police did well. No one died. The paper gives the ideal but then explains 1 or 2 officers may have to act and they need life saving equipment to do so. They did.

This is a terrible tragedy that did not need to happen. I hope they both continue to heal, they recover, and do well moving forward.

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/ActiveShooterPaper2018.pdf

It’s adorable when you think everyone doesn’t already know what pushed MB over the edge - LK.

He was buried under stress. Divorce. New relationship with problems. Cash flow worries. Loss of income and business manager (wife). Ice busted pipes and damage to house. Bouts of depression. 8-9 past concussions plus being in his mid-fifties. Without those issues, with his experience and celebrated charm, he should have been able to have dealt with LK, one client, with ease, just doing business. This was a situation that did not have to end the way it did. Tragically.

I wish them all well.

What does “being in his mid-fifties” mean? Or why does it matter much? I have not reached that age yet. Does something crazy happen when you do?

I have reached that age and I am no more crazy than I was when I was younger!! And physically, as with most horse people in this age range, I’m still rocking it! CH is spewing ageism at its finest and I for one find it extremely insulting.

Congratulations on your good health! Just so you know, if you stay healthy, you get to keep having colonoscopies after the age of 75.

So here’s the thing - my mother died of colon cancer. So I started my colonoscopies in my 40’s and if I have to have them every few years it is a small price to pay to avoid an unnecessary death. As with mammograms, gyno and every other preventive test we do to avoid all manner of cancers, etc. It is also my understanding that doctors are now recommending colonoscopies begin for everyone in their 40’s. So buckle up! It’s really not so bad - at least they knock you out for that one!

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

What is your source for saying there is not a single text in that time period? Did you or do you have access to all of the texts? Just a few were presented in court but there may have been many more. The prosecutor made what seemed like an error later with the shooting social media posts that Dr Simring used for his evaluation. When he tried to talk about more the two he entered into evidence the judge stopped him. Perhaps he has a pattern of trying to only introducing enough to make his point.

Complete sentences are your friend here.

“So, if the cash flow problems were so bad, why isn’t there one single text between NOVEMBER 2018 and the shooting where he brings that up introduced into evidence?”

If that’s his pattern, it’s a poor one because basic trial strategy is to introduce the best, closest in time evidence.

Can’t argue that. It did hamper his impeachment of Dr Simring.

[iridedressage]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@iridedressage

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

@hut-ho78

Post 3376 arrived at a conclusion that ignored the part where MB said he couldn’t sleep for trying to keep up with expenses. The information within the post contradicted the written conclusion.

It does indicate he had cash flow problems as did I think the testimony of at least one of the mental health professionals who said he brought her back to New Jersey in 2019 because he needed the money.

Nope, you’re wrong. Post 3376 contains the transcript from the trial. “Cash flow problems” was never spoken in testimony. It was said MB had to be careful with his money and that has been wildly misinterpreted since.

So careful he couldn’t sleep at night especially with a payout of $965,000, 3 horses possibly valued in the 6 figures, loss of his spouse’s income and her management ability (he credited publicly with making it possible for him to train and compete).

He was not yet in partnership with MHG and she testified she contributed nothing to his business except riding horses (which is a very good value in itself at her level of expertise) and she had 8-9 horses on-site with no board.

If the term “cash flow problems” is obtainable perhaps “expenses induced insomnia” would be more acceptable.

Not being able to sleep can cause hallucinations after about 3 days and one’s decision making ability is degraded.

His breakdown could have already been well underway just because of not sleeping because of anxiety over expenses due to the divorce.

If you look at the active shooter description in the link, he checks all the boxes. Also, a different point, the police did well. No one died. The paper gives the ideal but then explains 1 or 2 officers may have to act and they need life saving equipment to do so. They did.

This is a terrible tragedy that did not need to happen. I hope they both continue to heal, they recover, and do well moving forward.

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/ActiveShooterPaper2018.pdf

It’s adorable when you think everyone doesn’t already know what pushed MB over the edge - LK.

He was buried under stress. Divorce. New relationship with problems. Cash flow worries. Loss of income and business manager (wife). Ice busted pipes and damage to house. Bouts of depression. 8-9 past concussions plus being in his mid-fifties. Without those issues, with his experience and celebrated charm, he should have been able to have dealt with LK, one client, with ease, just doing business. This was a situation that did not have to end the way it did. Tragically.

I wish them all well.

What does “being in his mid-fifties” mean? Or why does it matter much? I have not reached that age yet. Does something crazy happen when you do?

I have reached that age and I am no more crazy than I was when I was younger!! And physically, as with most horse people in this age range, I’m still rocking it! CH is spewing ageism at its finest and I for one find it extremely insulting.

By CH, do you mean me? What have I posted that is ageist?

I apologize, definitely my mistake. I did mean HH.

[LilRanger]

@FitzE

Meanwhile, once again, other than the GFM updates, the MB side has maintained a dignified silence.

You know, I get your meaning, but at this point, IMHO, the MB side has simply maintained a normal and predictable silence.

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

@StB.YM

Especially since LK testified that she gets her money from JK, who gets it from the bank.

Bilinkas was starting to explore that as she said it’s ‘my money’ but her father writes the cheques (huh?). He was starting down the road of exploring where that money comes from (which prompted the answer about ‘I don’t know, the bank?’ which was especially strange if it is her money and not her father’s - how could she not know where it comes from?). I assume this line of questioning will come up again in the civil case but it won’t be cut off by the judge.

And I can’t help but wonder why Bilinkas wanted to explore it. Perhaps he knows where the money came from, but revealing the source would have cast LK in an unfavorable light. And since she wasn’t on trial, Taylor wouldn’t allow that discussion to proceed any further.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Seeker1

Here is the actual clip of MHG describing the cash flow problems and the dollars associated:

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3huaQmcVVBIpXIrjV4VBvlOL9nv88NJk.

MHG said he had cash flow problems and listed the expenses.

Most horse businesses have cash flow problems from time to time.

It’s not remarkable.

The fact that he actually owned considerable property, and had financial assets? That is noteworthy. It means that he had options when it came to possible solutions for short term cash flow problems.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What do you think MB meant in the July 13 text when he said that he would make their lives so miserable they would be begging to leave?

Again, you people go to all lengths to find negativity. What do I think of it? I think I would have said the same thing! Examples of actions I might take include having the power to the house turned off, giving them the cold shoulder, telling the farrier not to shoe her horses, completely and utterly ignore her.

See how easy it is to tilt the slant of a narrative? What can’t be tilted are LK/JK/RG’s ACTIONS, including the testimonies of RG & LK.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

When he tried to talk about more the two he entered into evidence the judge stopped him. Perhaps he has a pattern of trying to only introducing enough to make his point.

So, you are saying this prosecutor has a habit of cherry-picking his evidence? If the only text he could cherry-pick to make his point was from a year before the trial……doesn’t that indicate a lack of evidence for the point he was making?

Cherry picking? Not at all. Not boring the jury with an over preponderance of evidence all stating the same thing.

[hut-ho78]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

By CH, do you mean me? What have I posted that is ageist?

I think they mistook Hut-Ho’s post as one of yours

Agree.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@DownYonder

And I can’t help but wonder why Bilinkas wanted to explore it. Perhaps he knows where the money came from, but revealing the source would have cast LK in an unfavorable light. And since she wasn’t on trial, Taylor wouldn’t allow that discussion to proceed any further.

Interesting theory.

Why don’t we just ask @Seeker1 to speak to this issue?

Seeker - do you care to shed any light whatsoever on whether or not there is something unusual, or possibly embarrassing about how your family accumulated sufficient funds to support your daughter’s riding?

For the record… I’m not accusing you or your loved ones of being involved in anything criminal. Just… perhaps there is something about the source of the funds that you all do not wish to make public?

[Seeker1]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3huaQmcVVBIpXIrjV4VBvlOL9nv88NJk

Here is my partial transcription.

MHG It Took a lot of money to run the business.

Chris Schelhorn “At times would he indicate to you or tell you that he was having issues in terms of cash flow?”

MHG “Yes”

…I guess between 40 and 50K a month…

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

The question was poorly worded. How does he get his money as opposed to earn.

Of course, her flippant response was due to Bilinkas not asking her correctly. Got it. Gee, how many times did she need questions repeated, sometimes more than once?

[Seeker1]

nothing

[hut-ho78]

@Seeker1

Here is the actual clip of MHG describing the cash flow problems and the dollars associated:

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3huaQmcVVBIpXIrjV4VBvlOL9nv88NJk.

MHG said he had cash flow problems and listed the expenses.

Thank you @Seeker1.

Prosecutor “do you recall him telling you he had cash flow issues?”
MHG “yes”
Prosecutor “and by this do you mean it was having cash flow liquid, available?”
MHG “yes”

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Ok. I will take that at face value. I just thought I would ask.

Question number 2. Has anyone in your family ever been involved in the movie production industry in any capacity?

Idle curiosity on my part.

[Angela_Freda]

“I think he was terrified by her bizarre FB rant. Maybe because of his delusional disorder. Maybe because she is a legitimately extreme person, and some folks do find her frightening and unstable. He legitimately was experiencing fear about what she might be doing in the barn at night. So he called 911. Is it dramatic and extreme? Maybe. We have the benefit of hindsight though”

He grew up in an abusive home. That likely helps explain much about his reactions to the bizarre actions of LK, RG, and JK and I would guess KK as well, considering her assertion she was on the farm, witness yo the day to day