So Hut-ho, do you actually KNOW this poster failed to provide testimony at trial BECAUSE the poster was uncomfortable and worried about ongoing discussions on COTH?
Or is this just speculation on your part?
It seems like it’s just speculation, and you are just looking for a way to declare that the discussion on the forums is “nasty” and that it has somehow influenced the outcome of the criminal trial.
I was asked about aging issues so I answered. A lot of my friends can’t ride anymore not just for what was already mentioned but also much more serious conditions. I’m grateful I still can. Now if I can just keep me and the horse sound at the same time.
I didn’t even mention missing body parts.
No, I didn’t say she declined to testify. That was someone else. I said I didn’t think it would be allowed in a criminal trial except during sentencing. He wasn’t criminally found guilty. He is civilly restrained.
Now whether she can testify in the civil trial, that is a different question. I don’t know.
So the comments based off of the horses actual show record weren’t accurate?
It’s not as if people were just making things up?
I am admittedly having trouble remembering how this whole particular tangent started. So let me make sure I am understanding you correctly…
You made a comment mentioning something about MB and aging…
Someone else replied with something along the lines of “What? The guy is only in his 50’s.”
You then proceeded to share a few health issues that were not uncommon in general, and link it to the issue of 50 something year old people…
A few of us still thought it seemed a bit overblown…
Back and forth we all went…
Somehow issues of prostrate health, leakage, and ED were all mentioned by you…
I took note that this MIGHT be a bit of subtle way of throwing shade out there regarding the specific 50 something year old male the whole discussion is about… because that’s kinda what it seems like…
And… you are now denying that was ever your intent?
Oh ok. I see.
Another aging issue is short term memory loss.
Ok. That’s fair enough.
But do we know if anyone ever even contacted her and asked her to testify?
People say all sorts of stuff online… but hesitate to actually be part of a criminal or civil legal procedure, because that means testifying under oath. That’s not uncommon.
I’ll give you credit for that one.
Okay, so your daughter allegedly paid $5,000 for the full board and training of 5 horses as well as the apartment. I ride in an adjacent county, in a far less fancy barn. The board and training alone would cost me about $12,000 per month. How is paying roughly 41.67% (or less, I don’t ride with a BNT) of market value on board and training alone (Never mind rent on the apartment!) help with cash flow issues?
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Omg. I’m way behind on this thread, but that is a fantastic story. And you had a nice dinner out of it as well, so it was a win-win. Lol.
I know your type.
Thank you for performing the basic arithmetic on this issue. It has puzzled me as well for quite awhile that certain posters are arguing that keeping on a client who is paying below market rates was a “cash flow solution” for MB, and thus why he hadn’t yet formally served LK with a notice of eviction by mid summer.
Quick follow up question… does anyone know for sure if Hawthorne Hill was “full” during summer of 2019? Also, if LK had taken her horses and self selected, and left as of July 31st, how many stalls would that have freed up for other people willing to pay the going rate of $2500 per month for full board at a facility like MB’s? At least 3? Maybe 4? It’s unclear if Symphony and Jay-T were in full board.
But let’s say 4 stalls would have been freed up. And that demand for a spot in a top tier barn was such, that MB could quickly fill them…
Gosh… $2500 x 4 = $10,000 per month
LK was paying $5000 per month
$10,000 > $5,000
Therefore, the theoretical cash flow problems should actually have served as an incentive for MB to want LK and all of the horses associated with her gone from his facility… if you think about it. In order to make way for legitimate clients who could afford to pay the full rate for their horses.
The whole sidetrack about horse abuse seemed pretty off-the-wall to me, since it really had nothing to do with MB‘s interactions with LK, which were the whole subject of the trial.
But since it got two Olympians on the stand as character witnesses to refute those charges, it turned out to be a fabulous idea in the end.
Plus MB and the rest were living… Well, not in the house.
And LK and RG were living in the house. Rent free.
The discussion on the horse was that it was a nice horse shown at PSG by a trainer.
That sounds pretty good to me.
Seahorse also contributed to a nice horse facility.
I just want to say that a top equine professional (won’t say what kind, but not a trainer or rider) that regularly is lauded here on these forums and works with USEF teams and will tolerate ZERO abuse of animals was shocked by the circumstances of this event, couldn’t fathom MB doing it. This person would not work with a horse abuser. Period. Full stop.
There are always situations of “really nice horses” who’s owner rider can’t get the talent and scores from them that a professional trainer can. It doesn’t mean the horse isn’t quite nice!
Five stalls. Sixth horse was in quarantine. Unless I am mistaken…
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