Another aging issue is short term memory loss.
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You will eventually come to terms with it hut.
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Not there yet. I have enough other aging issues. Physical therapy is amazing though as is cataract surgery. When I’m at the barn and sweaty and dirty I still feel like a kid. Love that.
For the Olympics? No.
4 horses. 1 in NC. 1 in quarantine.
Right? perhaps @hut-ho78 and others who would classify that as a “nasty” comment are not well-versed in the Dressage world. The jump from PSG to Grand Prix is notable. The % of Grand Prix horses who would be competitive in international level competition is TINY. Those horses are pretty well-known in their local circuits simply because they have to be SO exceptional. A small tour horse is still a very, very nice horse, but it does not make it a international level caliber dressage competitor.
Maybe MB thought he could take it to the top. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. If you were, please continue.
Let’s see, what did I say earlier about the horse? Oh right, “it was a really nice horse too.”
Re bolded.
No, the fact that there were negotiations does not prove that he asked her to leave. His approach to “inducing” her to leave was “make them so miserable they would be begging to leave”.
If she had decided that she wanted to leave, due to all the hostility from MHG and others, and frustration that she was not being taught by MB himself, and any other dissatisfactions, she was not in a position to simply give her 30 days notice without going through some nitty gritty details.
Negotiations were necessary for her to leave, due to the renovation barter and maybe the understanding on Jay-T. There’s also the question of the date of departure. After the NY horse show in a week? Before then, but after the new horse comes in from quarantine? Lots of people are quick to assume that she was exploiting the renovation barter situation to demand more cash, but it’s a situation that lends itself to creating conflict as to what each party thinks they owe or are owed in the best of circumstances. MB being delusional is hardly the best of circumstances.
The fact of the negotiation just means that she was in the process of negotiating her departure — and there were messy aspects that needed to be sorted out due to the lack of written contracts and the fact that things went south pretty quickly.
The fact of the negotiation does not establish that he had asked her to leave, just that she was in the process of settling the details of severing her various unwritten deals with him. Maybe he had asked her to leave verbally at some point prior to Aug 5. But just the fact of the negotiations does not establish that he did.
On your other points, I’ve already changed my position on a couple of them in response to some excellent points made by VHM.
Re second bolded: No! I’m not in any way, shape or form accusing anyone of perjury or suggesting professional misconduct on the part of the prosecutor or the judge! Please don’t put words in my mouth then express your outrage at said words.
For a long time I’ve believed the Coth-fact that JK was part of the negotiations for LK to leave. (A Coth-fact is a statement that is not necessarily true, but is widely accepted as true just because it has been repeated 6,000 times on Coth.) A Coth-fact is very, very hard to kill.
When Seeker said that JK was not involved in the negotiations, I became uncertain as to the truth of that particular Coth-fact. I’m leaning toward believing that JK was not involved in the negotiations, but I do not have first hand knowledge.
If that is correct, then I stand corrected. Math still doesn’t work for your argument!
I don’t agree that the jury ruled on the proximate case of his becoming delusional in mid July 2019; I think that the jury determined as a finder of fact that he was delusional at the time had shot her. Period.
If the other poster had testified that his behavior toward her, another amateur, but without all of LKs baggage, 4 or 5 years previously, that might have created the impression that Barisone was someone with who couldn’t control his anger and emotions, but not insane. He might have been found guilty.
I have a friend who was a medalist in a Pan Am games (which is PSG level). I remember asking her if she had hopes of taking the horse to the Olympics, she said, “Nah, he’s too lazy to make it at Grand Prix at that level of competition.”
There is a world of difference between a nice PSG horse, even one successful in international competition, and an Olympic horse.
The fact of the negotiations do not establish that he asked her to leave, just that in order for her to leave, gritty details needed to be negotiated. She may well have decided it was time to go (not necessarily in 2 days, but perhaps within 2 weeks) because she was tired of MHGs animosity, thought the original agreement was that she got to train with MB, etc.
If my comment causes your “head to explode”, perhaps see a doctor about that.
JK being involved or not involved in the negotiations is material in the legal sense to exactly what issue?
If it was material to some issue, why wasn’t he called to testify?
I feel like you and I try to be respectful of one another, but this is just getting tiresome. I feel like I need to bow out now, because you simply must know that you’re stretching here. I just can’t anymore…
I’m more than happy to agree to disagree. I’m just stating my opinion. You’re entitled to your opinion.
I acknowledge that we’re trying to be mutually respectful, and I appreciate it. But you tend to put words in my mouth …. in this case “you simply must know you’re stretching here”. No. No, I don’t. That’s my opinion.
Well, LK is seeking compensation for loss of income in her civil suit. Presumably, she’ll have to prove she had income to lose.
The fact that this thread is almost 4400 posts long with many, many, many posts hashing out the same things over and over is mind boggling. The trial is over, verdicts have been reached. How about the certain few posters that CANNOT stop repeating the same tired things give it a rest for the sanity of us others who have moved on from the trial and the 2 year lead up to the trial.
Well, to be fair, we don’t currently know what the source of the income is. We do know that JK was the individual writing checks to MB. That was testified to at trial. The money for that apparently came from ‘the bank.’
We do know that LK herself has claimed in writing, on COTH and other social media to be “a woman of unlimited means.”
We do know that JK attended Hofstra, got a law degree, and passed the New York bar.
We do know that he worked for EF Hutton, a money management firm, for some time earlier in his career.
But we really don’t know much about recent sources of income for LK or the family. They sidestepped the issue at the criminal trial.
Do you think they will sidestep the issue again during the civil proceedings? Somehow, I suspect it will be an issue that MBs attorneys focus on during the discovery process. Such is the nature of civil proceedings.
While I agree that we tend to be kind to one another, I STRONGLY disagree here. I have never put words in your mouth.
In Long Valley and the surrounding area including Frenchtown (to the south), full training board with an Olympian in 2019, would be, at a minimum, $3,500.00. That does NOT include an apartment, farrier, meds for horses, etc. Nor would it include private lessons…typically, group lessons. Privates would be with an assistant. LK got a steal of a deal, if that was what was actually agreed upon.
ETA: per horse.
Whitehouse, closer to the City (where I live), and I agree.
He solicited her and they made the arrangements in florida.
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