Barisone assessment

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Your protestation of innocence just doesn’t fly.

I expect absolutely nothing from you.

Remember, I am the leader of the Illegal Mob!

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you imagine you’re fooling anyone, even your legions of friends, when you claim that your purpose was to refute any suggest of illicit employment of the human trafficking kind?

Your protestation of innocence just doesn’t fly.

You know what’s odd? @eggbutt being totally kind to me when I accused her of being a jerk. She is actually a very nice person. When she WAS a jerk to me? She apologized. And I love her for it.

I think you need to look at what role you play here.

I do not understand your rhetoric.

[BrendaJane]

Plus utilities…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible. If so… do d she politely respond, “Sorry MB, I can’t afford that.” And then make arrangements to move elsewhere? No. No she didn’t.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

As for the last bolded section….MB’s lawsuit says he was threatened by JK into letting her stay, and LK’s manifesto says MB told her she couldn’t stay in the farmhouse when they came back in April and she had to “fight him” over it. She claimed she threatened to leave over it.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

You are out of your mind and also clearly do not ride horses. What is wrong with you?

Well that post just addressed business issues such as the point that if he felt the board deal was disadvantageous to him, he should not have agreed to it in the first place. That point doesn’t really have anything to do with horses.

[OntheFnce]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@erinmeri

@Seeker1

He solicited her and they made the arrangements in florida.

Please just stop pushing your narrative that your daughter was a good business proposition. It is tired.

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Do you even know if he agreed to the deal? Again, plenty of equestrians pay 12k and up for boarding. The average price in Wellington for full training board with a BNT, in season, is around 5k per horse. Plenty of people have 3,4,5+ horses at this level, so LK is no one special. Despite what she may think she is a no one. Good lord, these people need to get a life.

[jvanrens]

Thank you ekat! Took me forever to catch up. A while after I posted I realized I’d misread. Lack of sleep and crazy heat the last couple of days has made my reading for comprehension a litttle off at times!

[ekat]

You’re welcome. I feel you on the heat!

[eggbutt]

It would be interesting to learn what LK is paying now for board and her apartment without training, compared to what she paid MB.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible. If so… do d she politely respond, “Sorry MB, I can’t afford that.” And then make arrangements to move elsewhere? No. No she didn’t.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

The bolded. Barisone could have testified but chose not to. His amnesia did not rule out discussing the board deal.

Whether he had a cash flow problem or not, IMHO
$5,000 a month is better than $0 a month as long as it’s covering at least the marginal costs incurred for those horses. Does it cover hay, shavings, and stall cleaning for those horses? If yes, it’s better than empty stalls.

This is true whether he’s running at a profit or running at a loss, I she’s paying more than marginal cost. keeping her as a boarder either reduces the monthly loss or increases the monthly profit.

Now if ending her deal resulted in filling the stalls with higher paying boarders, then that’s better.

If the barn already had empty stalls, you’d fill those before kicking her out.

If he wanted to raise the rates, he first need to ask her permission. He can just say, “_As of next month, your rates are …” Thereason not to do that is fear she’d leave!

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If the barn already had empty stalls, you’d fill those before kicking her out.

sure…that would work except word was getting around other boarders were searching for other facilities to move to because of LK! That was even testified to by the mom of one of the boarders. I believe she made the comment LK had made HH toxic.

[jvanrens]

@ekat

You’re welcome. I feel you on the heat!

We’ve been going from sweater weather to broil every couple of days. Throw in a crazy week or so at work and family health issues…let’s just say I’m hoping for a better week starting tomorrow.

[ekat]

@jvanrens

We’ve been going from sweater weather to broil every couple of days. Throw in a crazy week or so at work and family health issues…let’s just say I’m hoping for a better week starting tomorrow.

Fingers crossed for you!

I won’t see sweater weather till November, lol.

[BrendaJane]

nice choreography. Sondheim work?

Way to conflagrate the 2 false arguments.
He wanted her gone because she is a toxic person.
THEN, and only then, comes the argument he needed to keep her for cash flow reasons.
Newsflash, the only cash flow with an arrangement like that is out, not in.
So she is paying about 1/4th of the market value for the services she supposedly signed up for. plus living accommodations for 2, including utilities (seeing that Rob is always doing laundry…) which is another couple of grand easy.

5k might be more than nothing on paper (have you ever boarded? Expenses barely cover the price!) but not when the cost eats up the ‘income’

buuuut
you know that.

this da capo is dishonest at best.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

As for the last bolded section….MB’s lawsuit says he was threatened by JK into letting her stay, and LK’s manifesto says MB told her she couldn’t stay in the farmhouse when they came back in April and she had to “fight him” over it. She claimed she threatened to leave over it.

Excellent! I agree with Sdel!

Re bolded: LK threatened not to come to NJ in spring 2019 if MB did not through in the apartment.

Outside of Coth, this is know as negotiation.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The bolded. Barisone could have testified but chose not to. His amnesia did not rule out discussing the board deal.

Oh come on. You are smarter than this, as is everyone following this thread. If he had taken the stand to discuss the board arrangements, everything else would have been fair game.

No competent defense attorney would have allowed him to take the stand in a criminal trial … PERIOD.

He certainly might as part of the civil proceedings though.

[OntheFnce]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible. If so… do d she politely respond, “Sorry MB, I can’t afford that.” And then make arrangements to move elsewhere? No. No she didn’t.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

The bolded. Barisone could have testified but chose not to. His amnesia did not rule out discussing the board deal.

Whether he had a cash flow problem or not, IMHO
$5,000 a month is better than $0 a month as long as it’s covering at least the marginal costs incurred for those horses. Does it cover hay, shavings, and stall cleaning for those horses? If yes, it’s better than empty stalls.

This is true whether he’s running at a profit or running at a loss, I she’s paying more than marginal cost. keeping her as a boarder either reduces the monthly loss or increases the monthly profit.

Now if ending her deal resulted in filling the stalls with higher paying boarders, then that’s better.

If the barn already had empty stalls, you’d fill those before kicking her out.

If he wanted to raise the rates, he first need to ask her permission. He can just say, “_As of next month, your rates are …” Thereason not to do that is fear she’d leave!

$5000 a month is not better than nothing when one considers the cost of training, board, feed, bedding, the expense of someone living and using utilities, etc. I’m guessing LK, et al was costing MB more than what was being paid on her behalf.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BrendaJane

nice choreography. Sondheim work?

Way to conflagrate the 2 false arguments.
He wanted her gone because she is a toxic person.
THEN, and only then, comes the argument he needed to keep her for cash flow reasons.
Newsflash, the only cash flow with an arrangement like that is out, not in.
So she is paying about 1/4th of the market value for the services she supposedly signed up for. plus living accommodations for 2, including utilities (seeing that Rob is always doing laundry…) which is another couple of grand easy.

5k might be more than nothing on paper (have you ever boarded? Expenses barely cover the price!) but not when the cost eats up the ‘income’

buuuut
you know that.

this da capo is dishonest at best.

Do you know the management concepts of marginal revenue and marginal cost?

Also that as long as marginal revenue > marginal costs on a sale, profits increase (or losses are reduced)?

Why ever would he have agreed to have her as a client at that rate if the boarding fees failed to cover
at least the marginal costs of the horses: hay, bedding, stall cleaning, etc.

What does the bolded line mean?

[cutter99]

@OntheFnce

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My responses = bolded

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether Barisone agreed to the deal, not whether it appears like a good deal or a bad deal from his point of view.

Hmmm. I disagree. Two reasons. First, we have never heard from Barisone regarding what exactly he agreed to. We only know what LK and RG said the deal was, when they testified at trial. Second, the argument has been made REPEATEDLY that MB NEEDED LK as a client because he was having a cash flow issue. Given that, whether the deal was a good one or a bad one? It’s pretty relevant

If he thought she was not paying enough, he could have said, “as of next month the fee is $3,500 for every horse in training $2,000 for horses not in training plus $1,000 for the apartment.

That’s $12,000 a month in fees or she’s out the door.

Maybe he did say this to her. We don’t know. It’s possible. If so… do d she politely respond, “Sorry MB, I can’t afford that.” And then make arrangements to move elsewhere? No. No she didn’t.

If he could have filled the stalls with other boarders for more money, why did he agree to the deal he did?

Very good question. I have asked others on these forums who are familiar with the area whst the ‘demand’ situation was like in that part of NJ with respect to high end boarding and training spots in summer 2019.

The bolded. Barisone could have testified but chose not to. His amnesia did not rule out discussing the board deal.

Whether he had a cash flow problem or not, IMHO
$5,000 a month is better than $0 a month as long as it’s covering at least the marginal costs incurred for those horses. Does it cover hay, shavings, and stall cleaning for those horses? If yes, it’s better than empty stalls.

This is true whether he’s running at a profit or running at a loss, I she’s paying more than marginal cost. keeping her as a boarder either reduces the monthly loss or increases the monthly profit.

Now if ending her deal resulted in filling the stalls with higher paying boarders, then that’s better.

If the barn already had empty stalls, you’d fill those before kicking her out.

If he wanted to raise the rates, he first need to ask her permission. He can just say, “_As of next month, your rates are …” Thereason not to do that is fear she’d leave!

$5000 a month is not better than nothing when one considers the cost of training, board, feed, bedding, the expense of someone living and using utilities, etc. I’m guessing LK, et al was costing MB more than what was being paid on her behalf.

Especially when you consider the headaches of having LK and RG in the barn, and on the property. Driving away other non-problematic, well paying boarders who show up for lessons when they are supposed to be there.

Factor in the issue of drug use/ addiction and then multiply all your numbers by 10. That is how much I would not want to deal with that load of manure!