Barisone assessment

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Agree! I’m positive they thought MB would be found guilty and sentenced to 20+ years. With that thought they were probably positioning to take over everything he owns in FL and proceed to go after MHG. IM was so positive we all would be eating crow once MB refused the plea deal. Notice how he skaddadled very shortly after the verdict. Karma had a different plan for the Kanareks.

IM said that pleading NGRI was hugely risky and there was no telling what a jury would do. He also pointed out that defendants who successfully plead NGRI sometimes spend just as long confined to a mental institution as they would have spent in prison.

Whether Barisone was found NGRI or guilty, how would that permit them to “take over everything he owns in Florida and proceed to go after MHG”? If you don’t want any discussion of MHG, why do you keep bringing her up?

Whether Barisone was found not guilty, guilty, or NGRI, the only legal avenue LK has against Barisone is the civil suit.

Nobody here is “eating crow” in response to the NGRI verdict. But isn’t the celebration for the NG part of the verdict a bit premature, given the RI part? Are people assuming that he’ll be released after the first hearing?
Perhaps he will be, but the risk that he’ll be confined for years is still there.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

IM said that pleading NGRI was hugely risky and there was no telling what a jury would do. He also pointed out that defendants who successfully plead NGRI sometimes spend just as long confined to a mental institution as they would have spent in prison.

Whether Barisone was found NGRI or guilty, how would that permit them to “take over everything he owns in Florida and proceed to go after MHG”? If you don’t want any discussion of MHG, why do you keep bringing her up?

Whether Barisone was found not guilty, guilty, or NGRI, the only legal avenue LK has against Barisone, is the civil suit.

Nobody here is “eating crow” in response to the NGRI verdict. But isn’t the celebration for the NG part of the verdict a bit premature, given the RI part? Are people assuming that he’ll be released after the first hearing?
Perhaps he will be, but the risk that he’ll be confined for years is still there.

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[LexInVA]

@Sdel

@LexInVA

That could factor into why LK relocated to FL, as it would provide limited financial protection to her, as the co-owner of the house that her father purchased for her as a “permanent residence” and her father applied for the Homestead Exemption in her name, to shave $$$ off the taxes to boot, establishing a paper trail that says “I live here and only here!”.

In my state, she could only get 50% of the homestead. The homestead exemptions get split up by the unrelated owners who don’t live there.

She has applied for and received the full HE tax benefit, according to the property records. She is the only permanent resident and he does not live there, even if/when he goes to visit her. Her father is just listed as a co-owner for legal purposes, so that if/when she dies, he keeps the property and can do what he pleases with it and also gets the property ownership status that lets him “do what needs to be done” when she won’t or when he has to step in and write checks for something, which also has it’s own tax implications. It also gives his wife, who often visits, legal power to act in his stead. LK is listed as co-owner for tax and legal purposes, so that she can legally do what a property owner can do in terms of ownership/upkeep and reap all benefits thereof, including the HE. Also, so that if/when her father dies, she can keep the property and also to give her some protection from creditors, per FL law.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@Tarlo_Farm

@Knights_Mom

…made me wonder if MB now might have a renewed claim against the police in his case with a new civil suit. What if he was the one actually jumped and that will never come to light given the questionable investigation that was done by police?

I’ve been wondering this since the verdict.

There was a throw away line in the dismissal that seems to me to say that essentially his rights can’t be violated until the testified under oath in a trial. I bet the fact that they testified that they took him to trial for this crime without any physical forensic evidence might be problematic.

Big time problematic and the fact that RG was a straight NG and so many of the public as well as the jury seem not to believe the very bizarro narrative of LK/RG just adds to that.

I wouldn’t suggest a criminal trial in this regard, that’ll never happen but a civil one? My brain is cha-chinging thinking about it.

[eggbutt]

How often does a party withdraw their suit after depositions or anywhere else in the process?

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Nobody here is “eating crow” in response to the NGRI verdict. But isn’t the celebration for the NG part of the verdict a bit premature, given the RI part? Are people assuming that he’ll be released after the first hearing?

Nope.
I’m assuming he was driven to this mental break, intentionally (as the other party testified), and that without their nonsense he would have carried on, super successfully, as he had done for decades.
AK will hopefully repair the harm the K Klan wrought, and maybe with some long term help like he’d previously used by choice, he’ll be back to his old successful, well regarded self.
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[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

How often does a party withdraw their suit after depositions or anywhere else in the process?

Most probable is a settlement. I’m about to enter into the deposition faze of a case myself and we know it’ll be most probably settled.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

They paid cash (JK) for the FL home. Unless they have a 2nd mortgage for the extensive renovations LK posted about, the home has no mortgage. Records indicate they paid $500,000 last December.

I was talking about Barisone’s Loxahatchee property being mortgaged, not LKs.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was talking about Barisone’s Loxahatchee property being mortgaged, not LKs.

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[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

I wouldn’t suggest a criminal trial in this regard, that’ll never happen but a civil one? My brain is cha-chinging thinking about it.

One of the things that’s worth mentioning is that the court dismissed it without prejudice. The attorneys for the township even asked the court to amend the dismissal to with prejudice, and the court did not respond. I find that intriguing.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

@CurrentlyHorseless

Nobody here is “eating crow” in response to the NGRI verdict. But isn’t the celebration for the NG part of the verdict a bit premature, given the RI part? Are people assuming that he’ll be released after the first hearing?

Nope.
I’m assuming he was driven to this mental break, intentionally (as the other party testified), and that without their nonsense he would have carried on, super successfully, as he had done for decades.
AK will hopefully repair the harm the K Klan wrought, and maybe with some long term help like he’d previously used by choice, he’ll be back to his old successful, well regarded self.
.

You’re saying “Nope” to which question?
The question as to whether the celebration for NGRI is premature?
Or the question as to whether you’re assuming he’ll be released after the first hearing?

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

I wouldn’t suggest a criminal trial in this regard, that’ll never happen but a civil one? My brain is cha-chinging thinking about it.

One of the things that’s worth mentioning is that the court dismissed it without prejudice. The attorneys for the township even asked the court to amend the dismissal to with prejudice, and the court did not respond. I find that intriguing.

In my time in the courts and having recorded literally tens of thousands of civil case dispositions, 80% at least were DWOP.

The other 20% (or less) of Dismissed WITH prejudice were cases where the Defense had basically proven their defense, or as part of a paid settlement or as a result of duplicative or absurd filings. They were odd enough that when I recorded the disposition I would capitalize “WITH” to make it clear.

In the case against the police none of those things happened so I’m not surprised.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’re saying “Nope” to which question?
The question as to whether the celebration for NGRI is premature?
Or the question as to whether you’re assuming he’ll be released after the first hearing?

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’re saying “Nope” to which question?
The question as to whether the celebration for NGRI is premature?
Or the question as to whether you’re assuming he’ll be released after the first hearing?

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[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

@trubandloki

I read this fast as “What’s the difference between interrogatories and depositories?”

LMAO I kill me.

You are missing your straight vacuum lines, aren’t you?

I have now retired from vacuuming! I can vacuum in circles now LOL
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You can engage in Dressage vacuuming now!.

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

You can engage in Dressage vacuuming now!.

How does one get their vacuum to do a square halt?

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

In my time in the courts and having recorded literally tens of thousands of civil case dispositions, 80% at least were DWOP.

The other 20% (or less) of Dismissed WITH prejudice were cases where the Defense had basically proven their defense, or as part of a paid settlement or as a result of duplicative or absurd filings. They were odd enough that when I recorded the disposition I would capitalize “WITH” to make it clear.

In the case against the police none of those things happened so I’m not surprised

It’s just interesting to me that the Court left that opening there on this particular suit. Probably means nothing, but it caught my eye.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was talking about Barisone’s Loxahatchee property being mortgaged, not LKs

There’s no mortgage on the FL property. MHG testified to that in court. Also, I just checked.

[LexInVA]

@trubandloki

@Sdel

You can engage in Dressage vacuuming now!.

How does one get their vacuum to do a square halt?

You have to spend the extra money for one of those fancy European vacuums.

[BrownDerby]

@LexInVA

You have to spend the extra money for one of those fancy European vacuums.

Some of those have built-in extensions. Whoosh!