Barisone assessment

[Ambitious_Kate]

@FitzE

Could part of his rising panic to get rid of then include the fact that, on top of her BSC behaviour, she was adding horses and RG was slacking off with his manual labour, and her being there was costing more and more each month and was actually the genesis of a cash flow issue that he couldn’t see ending b/c she was unable to afford anything more than the paltry $5000/month and would not leave?

This is a very real possibility that I have been considering seriously. Adding horses and not paying any more money, with the boyfriend not contributing anything worthwhile, imagine the expense of having them on the farm. The house, as was noted, electric, (gas)? sewer, water, trash, insurance, mortgage, taxes, and then the expenses of the horses, beyond feed and bedding, each horse’s portion of staff salaries, upkeep and maintenance on the barns, fencing, insurances, any mortgages, wasted time slots for lesson no-shows. An d farrier - think of the costs times 4 every 6 weeks, I know I was paying 250 for my horse in Connecticut, I can imagine it was more in NJ, but say it was 250 for each horse, that’s another 1000 every 6 weeks, and routine vet visits, teeth floating. I would think she was getting billed for those extras, but was she? She didn’t mention paying for those items when she was on the stand.

There is no way that 5k covered that for two horses, much less for the add on horses she was doing.

[MHM]

@smoofox

The fact that Seeker was not even aware of it… and thought it was made up by the defense… is even sadder.

Or so she said.

[Fiesta01]

@Seeker1

But she did not pick up a gun and try to kill him. She dealt with it as best she could given her constraints and challenges. Michael on the other hand…

I’ve literally lost count of the defamatory comments coming from this poster. Hoping Mr. D is making screen shots for the civil trial.

[Fiesta01]

@Seeker1

I’ve said it before. You only hear what you want to hear.

And Iron E wins by 6 lengths in the second jewel of the Triple Crown. What a horse!

ETA: I am apparently way behind in my race watching. But he’s still a great horse.

[Fiesta01]

Poor DeathAt55! And I had all my money on him for the win.

[Fiesta01]

Could those lurkers also inform Mr. B. and Mr. D. of the continuing defamation of MB? Thanks!

[KarenK]

@ekat

under oath, RG and LK didn’t even tell the same stories about when, where and how they recorded.

Heck…they couldn’t get their stories straight PERIOD! Ya gotta love how triggered RG got though!

[Knights_Mom]

@KarenK

@ekat

under oath, RG and LK didn’t even tell the same stories about when, where and how they recorded.

Heck…they couldn’t get their stories straight PERIOD! Ya gotta love how triggered RG got though!

That’s the pesky thing about lying - makes it hard to remember.

[BigMama1]

@FitzE

That was a direct declaration by LK’s mother (self identified) that someone who cares about MB should be feel happy he is in a maximum security mental health institution because at least ‘he is surely safe now.’ The implication that he will not necessarily be ‘surely safe’ once released is clear. And chilling.

Is it? I interpreted it as he’s safe because he’s in a secure institution getting the mental health help he needs. I’m no fan of the Kanareks but I think people are really reaching to interpret that as a threat.

[Knights_Mom]

@BigMama1

@FitzE

That was a direct declaration by LK’s mother (self identified) that someone who cares about MB should be feel happy he is in a maximum security mental health institution because at least ‘he is surely safe now.’ The implication that he will not necessarily be ‘surely safe’ once released is clear. And chilling.

Is it? I interpreted it as he’s safe because he’s in a secure institution getting the mental health help he needs. I’m no fan of the Kanareks but I think people are really reaching to interpret that as a threat.

Good threats are ambiguous. Since they can be interpreted to have either sinister or benign intention they are very useful in such intended actions as gaslighting.

Look for patterns. That’s the tell.

[FitzE]

That’s how it read to me.

Given that, even with the verdict and the no contact order they are on here and YouTube and the dear only knows where else just going at him hammer and tongs; the fact that they knowingly bought a house in the shadow of his only domicile; the fact that they continue to threaten the public release of illegally made recordings; etc., etc., it all adds up to a sustained public campaign of harassment. In light of that, I think a plain reading of that statement could reasonably be interpreted as threatening taking into account the totality of behaviour with respect to MB.

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

That’s how it read to me.

Given that, even with the verdict and the no contact order they are on here and YouTube and the dear only knows where else just going at him hammer and tongs; the fact that they knowingly bought a house in the shadow of his only domicile; the fact that they continue to threaten the public release of illegally made recordings; etc., etc., it all adds up to a sustained public campaign of harassment. In light of that, I think a plain reading of that statement could reasonably be interpreted as threatening taking into account the totality of behaviour with respect to MB.

And just like that we see the beginnings of a pattern.

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

Who published this manifesto? Was it oneof balinkas’s work of fiction or was there an actual post by someone?

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHG testified to it under oath. But perhaps it was common knowledge.

@Seeker1

I was at the hospital whe rob got there. He was in a state of shock with a broken hand. He told me the whole story when it happened. I believe Rob 100% as I saw the look of terror on his face. I had to make him go downstairs to get his hand treated in the er.

@Seeker1

I don’t think there was one. Show it to me please.

@Seeker1

I don’t see manifesto on it.

@Seeker1

Was it called a manifesto? What was in it? I’ll admit I never saw that one.

@Seeker1

They didn’t see what I saw or they would have. It wouldn’t have changed the result anyway…ngri would be the same.

@Seeker1

I heard it but i had bio breaks here and there

@Seeker1

Balinkas called it the manifesto. He would call a ice cream cone a poo if he thought it would get his client off.

@Seeker1

She described the situation as she saw it. Michael didnt want her to go. Mhg wanted the house for her kids and parents… but michael didnt tell her to leave like she wanted him to because since she was buying horses…she was perceived as a source of revenue.

@Seeker1

It described the situation as i saw it. Michael saw lk as an additional sources of income and more income…like buying horses and bringing in more horses that he could charge for. Also he liked rob because he was fixing the damaged house to mhg specs as he is a master carpenter…and can do most anything with regard to renovations…

@Seeker1

Maybe she was afraid of him and thought it would make him stop giving her athe hard time that he has secretly sworn to do… maybe not the best choice but their behavior was all messed up. Also she admitted she had mental health issues and was struggling to decide what to do. Maybe her health issues distorted her judgement. But she did not pick up a gun and try to kill him. She dealt with it as best she could given her constraints and challenges. Michael on the other hand…

@CurrentlyHorseless

RG may be in excellent position to know whether a gun was pointed at his head and fired, even if the evidence was not there to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

@Seeker1

Yes it was mb via conversations with mhg as she testified to on day 2 of the trial

@Seeker1

I saw the work he did. It was and is always magnificent. He was a bathroom renovator so maybe he didnt do all the tile work but Rob was the brains, muscle, and implementor of mhgs plans. I was there and saw exactly what he did. He did work for me too that was highly skilled and gorgeous. The other guy was a barn hand tat rob taught some skills to help out michael.

@Seeker1

I believe he was certified and was extremely talented. He worked for me as well.

@Seeker1

I heard what he said. he did a lot of the tile work supervised by rob. I saw them frequently and the work they were doing. Balinkas tried to portray rob as a dufas which was far far from the truth. Were u there mersidots? Did u see the work…do u know rob…has he done work for you…ummm.NO. So please just stop…

@Seeker1

Lauren had no feelings for mb. She had feelings for horses. Rob had feelings of stopping a guy that was shooting at them both. He had feelings that he wanted to stop a crazy man from Killing them which he almost succeeded in doing. They both had feelings that they wanted to live!!!

@Seeker1

This happened very late in the situation. I was talking about before she began her training with him.

@Seeker1

Maybe he was trying to make them colic? Not sure

@Seeker1

I was there and i watched them work. Seeing things firsthand is a far cry than speculating like you are doing. I went there maybe weekly. Or at least frequently. You? were u there? Did you see any of the work?? I highly doubt it. Did u talk to them about what was going on?? Nopers…so exactly what ate u basing this “opinion” on… mr balinkass fantastic tales to denigrate the people mb tried to kill to prevent him from going to jail for 20 or more years? Thats a very invalid judgement!!

@Seeker1

We said she didnt know Before!!!

Your we has said lots of things that have been shown to not be true.

@Seeker1

No… actually it is still me kirby kanarek…praying for you and wishing you to be the very best version of yourself.

@Seeker1

Who said he was paying the vet bills?

@Seeker1

Respectfully, Who cares what you think? Certainly not i.

@Seeker1

Michael harmed horses when they didn’t mind him.

@Seeker1

Lauren expressed fear of what he would do to them.

If only someone had offered to help her get her horses out of there. Oh wait…

@Seeker1

You are welcome.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Oh please. The jury very clearly determined to that MB shot LK creating would easily could have been fatal wounds. RG had every right to react in self defense even if RG, with his vantage point, thought MB was not firing in his direction at all.

You have the right to self if you or another person are threatened.

RG had every right to subdue MB with whatever force was necessary to subdue him. RG would have been acquitted by based on self defense if he had killed MB.

If RG had not subdued him, MB might have finished off LK and been on trial for murder.

RG had every right to beat the ever living hell out of MB.

There is no evidence LK was jealous of MHG, or had a thing for MB.

@Seeker1

If that is true, it is bad…but you still cant try to kill someone like that.

@Seeker1

Very true.

@hut-ho78

Why thank you.

@Seeker1

Mary Haskins testimony includes this information. Why don’t you listen to the whole thing on trial day 2?

@Seeker1

Who tries to kill someone with a deadly weapon For something like that?

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

It was one text, that the prosecution STRETCHED like a ridiculous rubber band.

It didn’t work with the jury.

You know who else didn’t buy that line of argument? People who actually have worked with horses.

@Seeker1

Balinkas made up the word manifesto to sway the jury. I paid attention to evidence only…not the xxxx that Balinkas made up to disparage the victims of mb. He was probably paid a pretty penny to make up the most heinous lies he could legally get away with to get his client, who tried to kill two people off from a criminal charge. He said stupid fictitious stuff all through the trial. Don’t you know that is his job? I think knights mom recognized that…

@Seeker1

I’ve said it before. You only hear what you want to hear.

[Knights_Mom]

The number of posts as cited above seems to indicate to me far more than obtusiveness. It’s very likely a strategy serving some purpose.

My friends make them do the heavy lifting. Engage if you will but perhaps lightly. You are being poked and prodded intentionally. Don’t let a wolf in creeps clothing guide the page. Ask what is trying to be accomplished here?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

The number of posts as cited above seems to indicate to me far more than obtuseness. It’s very likely a strategy serving some purpose.

My friends make them do the heavy lifting. Engage if you will but perhaps lightly. You are being poked and prodded intentionally. Don’t let a wolf in creeps clothing guide the page. Ask what is trying to be accomplished here?

This is a fair comment.

But what do you think they are trying to accomplish?

I think they still believe that they are in charge of the narrative because Lauren is a gun shot victim. And now that the trial ended with the verdicts it did, and people have mostly moved on and are focused on MB, wishing him well, and hoping he recovers enough mentally and emotionally to be released from AK, return to Loxahatchee, and resume training?

Uh… they are having a HARD time. This is NOT how they thought this might play out.

[eggbutt]

Wow! So much to unpack from last night. It is clearly apparent Seeker1 does NOT know everything if she was caught so unaware of the manifesto! Of course we all know she only knows what she’s been fed by LK/JK.

The post about Michael being safe in the hospital is quite disturbing to me. LK had insinuated previously how unsafe he would be because of all the truly disturbed prisoners there! Wow!

I believe it is LK who is truly ill and should be under evaluation. How strange that she and daddy bought a home in LOXAHATCHEE, just a few miles from MB’s compound and near JH, MHG, LO, AB, so many other “enemies”. Are one or more of these people in danger of being the next victim?

They should be warned and always on the lookout for the three individuals who participated in the plan to Finish the Bastard.

Can protective orders be obtained proactively now?

[KarenK]

Oh Hun, everyone lies but your daughter, right?
I’m willing to bet that RG, intending to shoot MB, missed and shot your daughter by mistake…RG had plenty of time to hide the gun, didn’t he! Oh what a tangled web…some serious food for thought…wouldn’t you say

[trubandloki]

Sorry, too many posts overnight to do one post, this is the second half.

@Seeker1

Like all of you.and myself…I pray for her and wish her to be the best version of herself.

@Seeker1

Mr tarshis misunderstood something that was not pertinent to the case. Mr balinkas repeatedly made up and embellished stories to make rob and Lauren look as horrible possible. That was his job. Don’t make up stuff up about the other Olympians as I said nothing about them. This is unacceptable behavior ekat.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I actually agree with your points, and of course RG did not have the right to use more force than necessary to subdue MB. But MB was 6’3”, athletic and armed with a gun. That justifies a fair amount of force from an unarmed man.

@Seeker1

I certainly try to be. I have faults like everyone else. At least I try to do the best i can sadly unlike some of you.

@Seeker1

Oddly lauren said the same thing about her horses.

@Seeker1

Oh surely.

@Seeker1

I am only going by his texts to mhg in day two of the trial

@Sdel

RC testified to LK “feeding” her horses after she was asked not to. This and just borrowing tack are two very big barn sins.

@Warmblood1

Coming in dead last is DeathAt55. The jockey had to carry him over the finish line.

@CurrentlyHorseless

RG had a right to use whatever force was necessary in self defense to subdue MB. It’s very fortunate for MB that RG subdued him without killing him, as MB might have finuu it shed off LK , if he hadn’t. Or killed him self.

@Seeker1

Do you really want to rehash this yet again. They both said nasty things. Mhg and mb discussed ad nauseum how to make their lives as miserable as possible. He pulled a trigger pointed at her chest and almost killed her. SHe did not.

@Seeker1

Of course.

@Seeker1

Didn’t see it

@eggbutt

Your daughter needs to learn to leave places she isn’t wanted. Come to think of it, what has been the trick to keeping her away from the family home?

@Seeker1

Ok. Mb still shot her and almost killed her which is why he is currently in a maximum security institution.

@Seeker1

Manis and pedis help everything

@eggbutt

And your child walks free to do it all over again. What is her plan when Michael Barisone returns to Florida? Huh? You know she won’t stop tormenting him.

@Seeker1

Well you should feel happy that he is surely safe now.

@Seeker1

If you want to tell her something, I suggest you speak to her. I am not the go between.

@Seeker1

I heard what he said… maybe he has a higher opinion of himself than I have of him. Not unusual.

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Seeker plans to pray. From the safety of the NJ house. The one that Lauren isn’t allowed to stay at.

Perhaps she can do some soul searching on the matter of enabling and enmeshment.

Is she really helping her daughter “be her best self” by enabling the purchase of a home, and boarding of multiple horses, in the same small town where MB will inevitably live upon his release?

Or do they still believe MB is going to stay locked away indefinitely, like John Hinckley?

@Seeker1

Joanne…no matter how much I wish I could be superwoman…I must accept the fact that I am a mere mortal just doing the best I can…Trying to be the best version of myself and doing the right thing to the best of my ability.

@Seeker1

Well your nastiness is exhausting…so I guess we are even…

@Seeker1

I have denied nothing. You are wearing me down ill admit…but it will be awhile before you wear me out.

@Seeker1

Is she bothering you eggbutt? So if not…let it go.

@Seeker1

Do you honestly think I like this? As I have said many time you are the one enjoying it. Do you think I like listening to the 911 call my daughter made while bleeding out repeated so I can deflect stupid stuff said on here? Well…think again.however God gives me the strength I need to get through this and for that I am most grateful. I always try to count my blessings.

@Seeker1

Not if they are true.

@Seeker1

Nor am I answering any questions to satisfy your perverted curiosity.

@Seeker1

Ok I’m not your honey

@Seeker1

It is for everyone.

@Seeker1

Who asks questions like that? Who does that?

@Seeker1

Are you accusing me of criminal activity?

@Seeker1

Bye bye

@Seeker1

Ahh…how sweet for you to carr.

@Seeker1

I am by no means preaching…just wanting to stop vile misstatements.

@Seeker1

Sounds like a threat.

@hut-ho78

You have got to be kidding me. That was not a threat. The man shot her daughter twice and if as @Virginia_Horse_Mom just said, Dr Schlessenger was right and not Dr Simring and Dr Hassan, he had not been in a delusional state then that is a scary situation.

I believe the jury got it right, Dr Schlessenger was wrong and MB was delusional. I hope he can heal and be released.

After insinuating horrible things about her daughter then to conflate her comment into a threat is the most utterly ridiculous comment yet made on this forum.

Preposterous!

[Seeker1]

“Manifesto” was the made up part

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

Oh it has been me and only me all along

@Seeker1

“Manifesto” was the made up part

The content or just the title?
Is having a title the bad part of it? The rest is OK as long as it does not have a title?