Barisone assessment

[Ghazzu]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But on what basis would you be able to assure yourself, or me, that there is no PMing going on to coordinate the “approach” to other posters? Perhaps not a “vast gang”. Perhaps just a couple.

Would you be reassured if we all submitted to a virtual strip search by the mods?
Get a grip.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

In consideration of my being accused of having a super secret PM anyway please find this post as a sign up sheet for a super secret PM group.

Please post your interest. Not all will be accepted!

(I really should do this LOL)

Would I be accepted @Knights_Mom?

https://tenor.com/wZMr.gif

I’ll make sure in future I always use the /s even with sarcasm that should be obvious, Km.

[Sdel]

@ekat

Here’s another random thought: what if there really is nothing of great importance in those recordings? Could somebody make the case that the very public, numerous threat of public release for the last almost three years is part of a continued pattern of harassment?

Considering the idea that they were capturing “public” conversations….who would seriously be plotting murder, harm, or any kind of plot against a boarder in front of their locker where they might walk up unexpectedly and over hear?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@StB.YM

@ekat

Other things you bring up: both LK and RG testified there was a bench by the lockers that everyone would sit and have super private conversations on. But pictures introduced in evidence, and other witness testimony, denied existence of said bench. So, where were those recordings happening again? Perhaps people will be able to further pinpoint now. One might think that the other two parties involved in the law suit may have some personal, intimate knowledge of where certain conversations took place. I know three witnesses already testified that some of the recordings weren’t by the locker.

And if anyone needs a timestamp, here is Mary DeFranco’s testimony about the locker area - [https://youtu.be/EKyHsQl6ZFE?t=7563 )

Thanks so much for providing this link to Mary DeFranco’s relevant testimony.

For anyone who is following this, but doesn’t want to listen to it, here are the key points:

1. Mary DeFranco testified that there was no bench in the locker area
2. MD testified she had a private conversation with MHG about tensions on the farm in MHGs office
3. MD testified that shortly thereafter, LK posted words she had spoken during that concert… VERBATIM… on social media.

Soooo… if MBs legal team now has evidence of an actual recording of that particular conversation… uhhhh… they have evidence of

1. Illegal recording by LK and RG
2. Lying under oath about the illegal recording

If the same set of circumstances applies to me Tarshis, and they also have recordings of his private office conversations with MB?

Uh oh. Mary D and Tarshis were both good witnesses. This is a PROBLEM for the Kanarek side in the civil case.

Here is a link to relevant info about NJ recording law to anyone who is curious.

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/new-jersey/new-jersey-recording-law

Key portion:

New Jersey’s wiretapping law is a “one-party consent” law. New Jersey makes it a crime to intercept or record an in-person or telephone conversation unless one party to the conversation consents. N.J. Stat. §§ 2A:156A-3, -4. (link is to the entire code; you need to click through to Title 2A, Article 156A, and then locate the specific provisions). Thus, if you operate in New Jersey, you may record a conversation or phone call if you are a party to the conversation or you get permission from one party to the conversation in advance. That said, if you intend to record conversations involving people located in more than one state, you should play it safe and get the consent of all parties.

In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the New Jersey wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.

[Knights_Mom]

@iridedressage

@Knights_Mom

In consideration of my being accused of having a super secret PM anyway please find this post as a sign up sheet for a super secret PM group.

Please post your interest. Not all will be accepted!

(I really should do this LOL)

I was going to ask to join the super secret PM club, but since I’m in my 50’s I’m probably going to kick the bucket any minute, so I decided against it.

Nah. You’re fine!

[ekat]

@Sdel

Considering the idea that they were capturing “public” conversations….who would seriously be plotting murder, harm, or any kind of plot against a boarder in front of their locker where they might walk up unexpectedly and over hear?

Well, no one.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@smoofox

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m not a dude, but I could use more coffee.

I’m happy to leave your post out there in all its glory, honestly quoted for posterity. Deny away! Have fun!

The fact you think you uncovered some great conspiracy or denial is hilarious to me.

I am also completely flummoxed by CH’s apparent delight in “exposing” something that was not a “gotcha” and simply a reminder to posters not to engage intensely with certain other posters… and let them do the heavy lifting (as in accusations, conspiracies or what not) and basically “hang” themselves with their own words. No gotcha there. No PM “accidentally” posted on the forum. No expert sleuthing required.

Also, there is no vast gang of posters communicating via PM to “attack” other posters… paranoia will destroy ya. That is just… bizarre.

Also, IMO Seeker is not LK - but who she says she is. Not enough ranting or raging or CAPS or insults to be LK…

*Is there something in the water here today? Some kind of conspiracy virus that makes one see everything and everyone as being involved in some part of of plot against only a few select approved friendlies ?

THANK YOU to those who try to continue the conversation about the civil trial and legalities. I appreciate it.

Just my interpretation, smoofox. I acknowledge others have different interpretations.

Are you a moderator? I assume the moderator can read PMs if they feel they need to.

But on what basis would you be able to assure yourself, or me, that there is no PMing going on to coordinate the “approach” to other posters? Perhaps not a “vast gang”. Perhaps just a couple.

How would you know that has not happened, unless you have access to everyone’s PM account? Do you have access to mine?

CH, I am sorry - this comes across as completely paranoid. Very similar to what YD accused me of when she had cleverly deduced that there was a non-existent cabal of COTHers PMing behind the scenes in order to plot against her.

There wasn’t.

No, I am not a mod.

I do not think mods can read PMs.

Now I see we are down to just a couple of people exchanging PMs about you… and not a vast gang. At least the goal posts have moved in a reasonable direction. You are the one making those accusations, ergo it is up to you to prove it and present evidence supporting your claims. On what basis are you making these accusations? Where is your evidence to the evil “coordinated approach” that you insist is going on?

Do you have some sleuthtastic ability to see everyone else’s PMs so you know can demonstrate this to be a fact? No, you don’t.

How on earth would I have access to your PMs? Seriously, how? You suggested that - present evidence to back up your concerns.

This is also similar to NP’s claims that evil COTHers (fat ones sitting in their bath robes at their keyboards who had never even ridden a horse) somehow influenced respected dressage judges to score him lower on his tests than he actually performed…

That was ridiculous. So is the idea that other posters PM back and forth and “coordinate” attacks against others via PM.

*edited for crappy typing and typos

[BrendaJane]

or a ninja hiding in her locker?

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

The competitions are in florida in the wellington/loxahatchie area. She has to be there.

No she has a wide area she can go to. Not like she shows all that much.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ghazzu

@CurrentlyHorseless

But on what basis would you be able to assure yourself, or me, that there is no PMing going on to coordinate the “approach” to other posters? Perhaps not a “vast gang”. Perhaps just a couple.

Would you be reassured if we all submitted to a virtual strip search by the mods?
Get a grip.

You mean if the mods gave me access to the pm accounts of all users? I’m confident they would not breach confidentiality like that, but, yes, that is what would be necessary to prove the negative that @smoofox so blithely asserted.

Those negatives are so darn hard to establish! Why bother!

I don’t need it proved of disproved. Everyone is free to interpret KMs post as they wish.

[BrendaJane]

never mind that the core of the Cabal has hidden profiles, you can’t just send them a PM…

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Soooo… if MBs legal team now has evidence of an actual recording of that particular conversation… uhhhh… they have evidence of

Correction…MB and his team have had it all long. That was how the defense knew to ask about it.

What you are looking at now is that the other parties in the civil suit now know the depth of the discovery that was available to MB. I assume the prosecution didn’t share all of it’s material with LK and it is an eye opener as to what MB has had access to all this time.

Remeber the strident assertions that MB lied in his pleadings in the various civil suits?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

@smoofox

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m not a dude, but I could use more coffee.

I’m happy to leave your post out there in all its glory, honestly quoted for posterity. Deny away! Have fun!

The fact you think you uncovered some great conspiracy or denial is hilarious to me.

I am also completely flummoxed by CH’s apparent delight in “exposing” something that was not a “gotcha” and simply a reminder to posters not to engage intensely with certain other posters… and let them do the heavy lifting (as in accusations, conspiracies or what not) and basically “hang” themselves with their own words. No gotcha there. No PM “accidentally” posted on the forum. No expert sleuthing required.

Also, there is no vast gang of posters communicating via PM to “attack” other posters… paranoia will destroy ya. That is just… bizarre.

Also, IMO Seeker is not LK - but who she says she is. Not enough ranting or raging or CAPS or insults to be LK…

*Is there something in the water here today? Some kind of conspiracy virus that makes one see everything and everyone as being involved in some part of of plot against only a few select approved friendlies ?

THANK YOU to those who try to continue the conversation about the civil trial and legalities. I appreciate it.

Just my interpretation, smoofox. I acknowledge others have different interpretations.

Are you a moderator? I assume the moderator can read PMs if they feel they need to.

But on what basis would you be able to assure yourself, or me, that there is no PMing going on to coordinate the “approach” to other posters? Perhaps not a “vast gang”. Perhaps just a couple.

How would you know that has not happened, unless you have access to everyone’s PM account? Do you have access to mine?

CH, I am sorry - this comes across as completely paranoid. Very similar to what YD accused me of when she had cleverly deduced that there was a non-existent cabal of COTHers PMing behind the scenes in order to plot against her.

There wasn’t.

No, I am not a mod.

I do not think mods can read PMs.

Now I see we are down to just a couple of people exchanging PMs about you… and not a vast gang. At least the goal posts have moved in a reasonable direction. You are the one making those accusations, ergo it is up to you to prove it and present evidence supporting your claims. On what basis are you making these accusations? Where is your evidence to the evil “coordinated approach” that you insist is going on?

Do you have some sleuthtastic ability to see everyone else’s PMs so you know can demonstrate this to be a fact? No, you don’t.

How on earth would I have access to your PMs? Seriously, how? You suggested that - present evidence to back up your concerns.

This is also similar to NP’s claims that evil COTHers (fat ones sitting in their bath robes at their keyboards who had never even ridden a horse) somehow influenced respected dressage judges to score him lower on his tests than he actually performed…

That was ridiculous. So is your assertion about this “conspiracy”.

LMAOTOTFL

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

Here’s another random thought: what if there really is nothing of great importance in those recordings? Could somebody make the case that the very public, numerous threat of public release for the last almost three years is part of a continued pattern of harassment?

Well… I would think that could be part of the civil litigation.

A lawyer could argue that one party was using illegal recordings to try and intimidate and slander another party.

A lawyer could also argue that clients like Ms. DeFranco were alarmed when they realized there private conversations at MBs farm were being recorded, and a crazy woman was publicly posting them on the internet. And, as Ms. DeFranco testified… she was considering pulling her horses from MBs facility.

Guess what that equals? Financial damages to MB. As a result of illegal recording and harassment perpetrated by LK.
Just saying. Maybe MBs lawyers won’t pursue it… maybe they will. Hard to know. We will just have to wait and see I guess…

[Knights_Mom]

@McGurk

Me! I would love to be in the super secret PM group!

Can we get jackets? How about a special hand shake? Secret decoder rings?

We have T shirts with the cool ninja graphic. I’m open to jackets. What style?

I’m open to anything.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Correction…MB and his team have had it all long. That was how the defense knew to ask about it.

What you are looking at know is that the other parties in the civil suit now know the depth of the discovery that was available to MB. I assume the prosecution didn’t share all of it’s material with LK and it is an eye opener as to what MB has had access to all this time.

Remeber the strident assertions that MB lied in his pleadings in the various civil suits?

Exactly! It’s the eye-opening factor that now all sides know what MB has had all along that makes me wonder about the distress we’ve been seeing.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

Move to Florida, sure. Move right down the road? Nope. A true victim would not.

The wiser choice would have been Ocala. Still in FL but not in the same neighborhood as MB. And it is going to give Wellington a run for its money, and is a far better location, esp. for lowly amateurs.

[Knights_Mom]

@roseymare

@ekat

If there’s going to be a decoder ring, I want in, too. I’ve always wanted one of those.

Drink Your Ovaltine

LMAO I was so thinking this!!

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Well… I would think that could be part of the civil litigation.

A lawyer could argue that one party was using illegal recordings to try and intimidate and slander another party.

A lawyer could also argue that clients like Ms. DeFranco were alarmed when they realized there private conversations at MBs farm were being recorded, and a crazy woman was publicly posting them on the internet. And, as Ms. DeFranco testified… she was considering pulling her horses from MBs facility.

Guess what that equals? Financial damages to MB. As a result of illegal recording and harassment perpetrated by LK.
Just saying. Maybe MBs lawyers won’t pursue it… maybe they will. Hard to know. We will just have to wait and see I guess…

It’s certainly an interesting avenue to take a good look at. You’re right, we will just have to wait and see.

[BrendaJane]

Idaho, perhaps?