Barisone assessment

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve have suspected that there is PM ing going on within the @Knights_Mom group, or subsets thereof, and that the PMing was used to coordinate attacks on other posters, including me. I assume that this is permitted by forum rules.

Hmm, I have only had a couple of PM exchanges with a couple of people on this thread - and they had nothing to do with “coordinating an attack” but to share info about an ancillary issue. None of those exchanges were with KM. Am I supposed to feel left out?

Dang! @DownYonder, want to be my PM buddy? We can trade recipes, best bits, and decide what logo we’d like our two-party PM to have!

Heaven knows I don’t need to solicit back up or help if I’m going to make a post!! Raise your hand if you’ve ever felt the need to find someone to have your 6 if you are going to post something!!

I smell paranoia and derailing.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Angela_Freda

To be clear, MHGs office at SGF was a shared office and the only office,with MB, I am pretty certain.

Ahhh. Thanks for clarifying.

Regardless, the bottom line is that the two parties in the actual conversation had an expectation of privacy if speaking in the office. And neither party had given LK permission to record it. And MD testified that the craziness and tension and harassment at the farm had driven her to look for other places for her horses. Soooo… financial damages to MB.

So if a tape of this/these particular conversation/s between MD and MHG is part of the evidence involving 81 recordings that was just handed over…

I would imagine this might become QUITE a problem for LK.

[eggbutt]

@2tempe

Edited to add - eggbutt, you posted again while I was typing! I do suspect LK’s reputation would find its way up this direction

Do you think so? Even in the H/J world or specific breed organization events? I’m thinking of the recent huge Arab Region Championships for example.

[eggbutt]

@McGurk

Whew! That’s a relief. I’m 64, so apparently I should already be decomposing.

At 72 I’m dust.

[2tempe]

OMG - Ocala? I hope not!! The trainers who meet her standards will know the reputation. The ones she could probably sneak by are not the ones she wants.
I’ve wondered if she cant find anyone to take her down there…but you would think if the boarding stable already has her, have they offered training? If she asked and they said “no” that would make for a mess.

[eggbutt]

Be sure to add @DreadPirateRoberts head scarves too!!

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Interesting. So I sort of have it in the inverse in my head. The reality is that now LK is aware that MB has this evidence.

In a normal case (no idea about this one) typically, the victim(s) don’t have access to what either the prosecution or defense has. Typically, what would happen is, devices are seized. Forensics are done, audio files extracted, photos, texts, the whole nine yards. The prosecution is going to question their witnesses (the victims) about what they specifically want to use or think the defense might use, in trial, which is going to be a percentage of what they have.

But all that gets disclosed to the defense. All of it.

Now, here we are months after the criminal trial, and all the parties to the civil trial are getting those audios. For the record, the 19,000 SM posts were exchanged in the civil trial a long time ago.

So, it’s hypothetically possible that LK, et Al, are just now finding out what all MB has been sitting on this whole time.

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

What you are looking at now is that the other parties in the civil suit now know the depth of the discovery that was available to MB. I assume the prosecution didn’t share all of it’s material with LK and it is an eye opener as to what MB has had access to all this time.

Ahhhh

Maybe that will affect SGF’s willingness to settle and make an insurance payout…

[2tempe]

Cant say re other disciplines or breed specifics, but for sure the dressage trainers that are even halfway decent either know something about the story or would find it out fast if she called looking for stabling/training.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Angela_Freda

To be clear, MHGs office at SGF was a shared office and the only office,with MB, I am pretty certain.

Yes. They showed pictures of it. And I think it was Mr T who gave context to the location (up the stairs, etc) in relation to the locker room. As in, not even on the same floor.

So Chris Deininger was most certainly putting together pieces of testimony and evidence to use down the road in the civil phase. He has testimony from credible witnesses. He has photos of the layout of the locker room, barn office, etc. And presumably, he now has the recordings themselves.

LK and RG made a choice to testify under oath, and deny any violations of NJ recording laws. And to cobble together some slippery story about a bench in the locker room, and RG wandering around the farm with his phone in his pocket. I guess they just were betting that no one would follow up on this and hold their feet to the fire down the road.

Another thought… I wonder if there will be any appetite with the local prosecutor to file any charges against these two for violating recording laws, now that the criminal case against MB is done?

[ekat]

@Sdel

Maybe that will affect SGF’s willingness to settle and make an insurance payout…

I’ve personally never thought they were going to, but this certainly could push them one way or another.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

What you are looking at now is that the other parties in the civil suit now know the depth of the discovery that was available to MB. I assume the prosecution didn’t share all of it’s material with LK and it is an eye opener as to what MB has had access to all this time.

Doesn’t it make you wonder, in light of the crap evidence collection of the PD, why the DA took this…

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

So Chris Deininger was most certainly putting together pieces of testimony and evidence to use down the road in the civil phase. He has testimony from credible witnesses. He has photos of the layout of the locker room, barn office, etc. And presumably, he now has the recordings themselves.

LK and RG made a choice to testify under oath, and deny any violations of NJ recording laws. And to cobble together some slippery story about a bench in the locker room, and RG wandering around the farm with his phone in his pocket. I guess they just were betting that no one would follow up on this and hold their feet to the fire down the road.

Yes! Deininger and Bilinkas knew full well what was on the recordings and how it would be impossible for a recorder, in a wooden locker stall, in the area it was, to pick up those conversations. And now they have bolstering evidence.

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Another thought… I wonder if there will be any appetite with the local prosecutor to file any charges against these two for violating recording laws, now that the criminal case against MB is done?

The cops should have done something back when LK boasted about her recordings to them. My gut says that ship has sailed now though.

[3PonyFarm]

Maybe organize an event along the lines of The Davinci Code (minus the bizarre Priory of Sion rituals). It could be all over Loxahatchee, Wellington and maybe Ocala.

[SillyHorse]

@McGurk

Whew! That’s a relief. I’m 64, so apparently I should already be decomposing.

At 74 it’s a wonder my cold, dead fingers still work well enough to type.

[eggbutt]

I believe the key to a lot of recent activity (recent being April to current day) is the Kanareks always fully expected a guilty verdict on all counts with nothing but appeals looming from the Barisone side, and they could then run full throttle with their civil suits. I believe this has always been about money and power.

Pandoras box is fully open at this point.

[ekat]

@eggbutt

I believe the key to a lot of recent activity (recent being April to current day) is the Kanareks always fully expected a guilty verdict on all counts with nothing but appeals looming from the Barisone side, and they could then run full throttle with their civil suits. I believe this has always been about money and power.

Pandoras box is fully open at this point.

And now the chickens are slowly but steadily coming home to roost on the civil trial with discovery.

[eggbutt]

Bingo! All those lies are conflicting with each other like spaghetti!

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Bingo! All those lies are conflicting with each other like spaghetti!

I hope they can all heal.

[Angela_Freda]

Is this why JK didn’t, in the end, testifying?