She outed herself inocously like 10 years ago but it took obsessing review of ancient posts to find that occurrence and THAT’S the point.
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Prove otherwise?
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You said “hated the boarder.” MB is NGRI because he was under a delusion about the boarder being a threat. If you think he hated the boarder then do you believe he actually did attempt murder? He received the NGRI because he wasn’t capable of a criminal intent because of a delusion. Hating a boarder sounds like you think he had criminal intent.
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Actually I find I care. I hope she is riding and successful and MB can rebuild his life. It would be nice to see them turn this around into a success. Right now, it’s just too sad.
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We were talking about a purely hypothetical situation about horses and when and how to remove them from a barn, per NJ statutes. Again, context is your friend. We weren’t talking about MB. There was no implication that he hated anyone, and certainly no assignment of criminal intent, especially since neither of us believe he actually shot her, but that’s a different argument.
Edit to add: the conversation was between me and Knight’s Mom. Cantering Carrot read and followed along through the context. But they never said a thing about hating anyone.
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Cynical much?
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Yes, you said it was just her personal bias. Which insuated that what Eggbutt said wasn’t the truth and was just how she sees it. Can you prove that what Eggbutt said isn’t the truth? Can you prove that is actually a personal bias/a skewed truth? Can you prove that what she said is wrong? You don’t think that any of that was demonstrated at the trial? I think examples of personality traits were indeed shown at the trial. The victim’s own words and mannerisms showed that.
That’s what I meant by prove otherwise. Hope that clarification helps.
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MB had EVERY REASON to fear the multi state arrest record addicts and their dog. I also firmly believe THEY ATTACKED HIM.
Add to that he was beaten to a pulp while being forced to involuntarily play a game of Bizarro Stratego while being stalked by the Suboxone Ninja while being sleep deprived trying to protect his customers horses from harm and who knows maybe a barn fire?
If you haven’t noticed the folks here and on FB and on YouTube as well as the JURY pretty much unanimously agree that it was the actions of LK that drove this sad, ridiculous, unnecessary, twisted, malignant story to its conclusion.
MBs belief that LK/RG were threats was no delusion. It was legitimate and it was real. Hell, she even shot at RG!
And if this goes to trial civilly it will just be yet another group of people to see it too.
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Can you show me where I said “hated the boarder” please?
You’re making a huge jump. Hating someone does not equal nor is it proof alone of criminal intent.
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I said “hated the boarder” when forming and explaining a hypothetical horse eviction narrative as a question to an attorney because I was not sure what law states about removing unwanted chattel.
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I mean, yeah, I generally wish the best for all involved. I’m just not so interested or invested in LK’s riding. I don’t know if she stopped, why she stopped, or what she’s doing. She was riding according to others, and you also don’t have to ride to enjoy horses. I don’t know what her goals or plans are. I think that she can find success but maybe her attitude on a few things might need to change. I also don’t know what her current definition of success is (this varies individual to individual). So while I wish them the best and hope that they all can move on with life, I’m just not that into the fine details, I guess.
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The jury said he was delusional and that caused him to shoot her. The jury agreed with the defense mental health expert witnesses who both said MB was delusional. They did not say she made him that way. That was not the verdict. She was not on trial. He was on trial for shooting her twice.
That is the problem. There are a few posters who don’t understand the verdict. The jury did not find her guilty because she was the victim not the defendant. They found him delusional so no criminal intent yet he won’t be released until deemed not a danger to himself or others.
There are two people who made bad decisions. He made several of them but was under tremendous stress from major life changes and instability. She made several poor decisions. She did not shoot anyone. He did. Big difference.
May they both find healing.
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Yeah, I tend to be a bit cynical. Life experiences have contributed to that. Sometimes I’m just not sure that you’re reading or keeping up with these threads because some of the things that you say (Ulf’s barn?) don’t make sense or were already proven otherwise.
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You know, it’s ok to perfectly understand the verdict and not agree with it for a single second. If I were on that jury it would have hung because I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael Barisone shot anyone.
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Nobody thinks that LK was found guilty? No one said she was on trial for a crime. She was involved in the trial as a victim/witness. She is, essentially, on trial re the civil suits.
I believe that the jury accepted that LK contributed to MB’s mental breakdown. There was no option for them to directly state “she made him that way” there was no “Not guilty, she made him that way” option. So I’m not sure how you can say they did not say that…I mean yeah, there was no option to. So it’s a weak point.
I also don’t get what " they found him delusional so no criminal intent, yet he won’t be released until…" means? What’s your point there. He had mental issues/a breakdown so of course he needs evaluation before being released. Normal procedure and this is for the benefit of him and everyone else. It doesn’t show criminal intent at all. The fact that he wasn’t instantly releases does not demonstrate criminal intent.
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A general remark about life that is pertinent to this specific case.
When decent people discover that they are involved with not decent people, decent people cut ties with the not decent people.
This does not a “mean” comment make. Just a statement of truth.
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“I completely understand the verdict” KM said to the person she’s corrected on law innumerable times.
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I think some are being a bit too black and white or extreme re MB being delusional. Just because you’re delusional doesn’t mean that you reject ALL reality or that some things aren’t in fact true.
The fact that a person might recognize something that is true or real doesn’t mean that they’re not at all delusional.
For example, MB could’ve recognized the situation as being bad and realized he got too involved with some bad people. He then became delusional when all of the pressure(s) built up around him and some memories and experiences from his past were triggered, and things essentially became amplified, confusing, and frightening in his head. He was then, at that point out of touch with reality and/or unable to think rationally.
For someone to be delusional they don’t have to be since day 1, they can become delusional due to a variety of factors. Sometimes people are delusional since day 1 and are delusional about many things and reality in general.
You can regonize something as real, and it is real, but then descend into delusion. It’s entirely possible to come out of being delusional too, it depends on why you were delusional/what caused the delusions.
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Two grown adults who don’t know how to unplug a dryer. One of them is supposedly capable of renovating a house too. Instead he painted himself unto a corner.
I suspect they were “worried about the dryer” while sneaking around the barn when they shouldn’t be. Planning to break into the locked office to falsify documents and bust into the gun safe too was also part of their planned activities. Date night looks very different for some people.
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