Barisone assessment

[BrendaJane]

Isn’t there a bible passage about the beam in your eye vs the splinter in the other person’s?

we all know how effective tots and pears are. carry on.

edited for spelling, cos a bean was not mentioned in the bible…

[LexInVA]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Seems to me, the plan was to force him to evict her so she could sue him for broken contracts. Why else would she be talking about subpoenas, perjury and moles in the barn before the shooting…

Were there written contracts?

I have not heard of any actual signed contract and what has been said indicates the use of informal verbal agreements, stemming from the discussions between the interested parties, those being MB and JK-LK/RG.

[Ghazzu]

@Seeker1

Baloney

I’ll take mine on rye with cheese and Dijon mustard, if you’re serving brunch.

[KurPlexed]

Just some notes from her testimony

April 20 LK told RW she bought video cameras.

April 27 LK was told time to go by MH

@Sdel

Seems to me, the plan was to force him to evict her so she could sue him for broken contracts. Why else would she be talking about subpoenas, perjury and moles in the barn before the shooting…

She had plans for a 200k suit before the incident

[BrendaJane]

Beam meet splinter.

I think I figured out the name of the dead horse: Irony!

(I think I just found the name for my Kentucky Derby horse: Iron E wins! )

[Seeker1]

She had no such plans. I think you and many others here should start careers as fiction writers. However…the books probably wouldnt be that good or interesting.

[BrendaJane]

I don’t think you and your husband know as much about your daughter’s plans as you should.

[ekat]

RG testified that there were plans for a suit, he was unsure of the amount though.

[Seeker1]

But you do?

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

I have a vested interest here unlike some of you who just like to engage in cruel and sadistic behavior for fun…as in eggbutts so called sadism “playground”.

Vested interest? What would that be? We are here discussing the case. The only interest you have is psycho analyzing people, and otherwise deflecting from our legit discussion of the case - in this case the civil proceeding which, if it continues, will pummel your families reputation into the ground btw

But you seem to want to keep us from discussing the case or otherwise take action to cause the thread to close.

So sit back while we discuss the case and what people think will happen and what direction it will take.

[DownYonder]

@Angela_Freda

@BrendaJane

I thought the Mustachioed guy was trying to assert guilt because MB was not really imagening the things he thought he was, therefore was indeed guilty.

That was a jaw dropper but I might have misunderstood.
Another version of ‘just because you are not paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you

Yes, he was I believe.

That was my understanding also. Dr. Schlessinger seemed to think that since MB’s fears were real about LK/RG being out to get him, they couldn’t be considered delusions. He also made the point that MHG was also in fear of them, and asked “Was she also delusional?”.

He implied that since MB wasn’t delusional - because he had real, legitimate fears - then he couldn’t be considered insane.

The paradox is that, in so alleging, he confirmed that LK/RG were indeed deliberately harassing and tormenting MB and MHG. And apparently the jury got that message.

[Edited for clarity.]

[Seeker1]

He testified that there plans to barter for stable accommodations.

[Seeker1]

Discuss away but stop the maliciously manufactured works of fiction please?

[ekat]

@Seeker1

He testified that there plans to barter for stable accommodations.

He testified to that as well. I can link you to the video where he and Mr Bilinkas discuss the suit if you’d like.

[Seeker1]

Ok msg me please.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he had served the 30 day notice on or before July 1, I think she would honored the 30 day notice and left prior to August 1.

If he only realized he was desperate to get her out of there by, say July 22, he had two legal, honest options:

1. tell her, unilaterally, the training relationship and tenancy are ending as of Aug 22, 2019, or
2. acknowledge that she had the right to remain for up to 30 days, and request and negotiate for her to leave earlier.

He went through door #3,
3) harass, intimidate and scare her into leaving prior to 30 days, and without a buyout of some form. The police calls and the massive complaint to USEF were part of the harassment campaign.

1 & 2 are alternatives to the intimidation campaign he chose. LK had been training with MB for some time, and while MB and MHG suddenly wanted her gone, if they had taken door 1 or door 2 instead of door three, it’s just not that onerous to honor the 30 day legally required notice.

I don’t think her FB posts, SS report, or harassment via the BI happened in a vacuum. I think she was responding to Barisone’s choice of door #3.

The closest I have come to this situation personally is that at one point I was sharing an apartment with a roommate I no longer got along with, and spent some money paying her last month’s rent to get her out of the apartment 3 weeks early. I “bought her out”. I was a student at the time and by no means flush, but it was money well spent.

I think that if Barisone had not opted for the intimidation campaign, it would have been uncomfortable but bearable to wait out the thirty days from whenever things turned sour (which was prior to Aug 5.) But I would have gone for door #2, and tried to “buy her out”. If her terms were something I couldn’t stomach, I would have made the best of the situation and waited out the thirty days without deliberately escalating things with an intimidation campaign.

Your door #3 is actually a door #4. You skipped over the option where she digs in her heels and fights an eviction. Here’s a fun fact or two about NJ evictions. Before it can go to trial, they have to attend mediation first. Assuming mediation fails, only then can a hearing be set. AND (as a landlord, this kills me) even if the judge determines the eviction is just, this can happen:

“ A tenant can ask the court for permission to stay in the property due to special difficulties or hardship that moving out might cause. If permission is granted, the tenant cannot stay in the property for more than six months, and all rent due, and future rent due during this “hardship stay,” must be paid.”

Also, you skipped over the fact that her dad and his lawyer spent at least a week, maybe two, per testimony, trying to negotiate that exit, and thought, as of August 2nd, they had succeeded. Except, their solution wasn’t good enough for LK, so the eviction notices came.

And if you’re going to hang MB for an “intimidation campaign”, how do you determine which came first? Her SS report or his? Her banging on windows and playing loud music late at night in the barn, disturbing the horses, or him calling the cops? Her running around all ninja-style, or him hiring security? The eviction notice, or the trip to the building inspectors?

Clearly, everything on that farm was toxic. But in the civil suit, LK doesn’t get to walk away from her behavior and actions.

You’re right, if he had chosen door #1, it’s possible that she would refused to vacate by August 22. That’s all part of door #1. But he never gave her the opportunity to vacate within 30 days.

I would have requested she leave earlier, and negotiate a buyout of some form, and if I couldn’t stomach the expense of the buyout, wait out the thirty days without escalating the conflict with the intimidation campaign, even if the likelihood of her honoring the 30 days was less than 100%.

You’ve pointed out that in NJ, as in many states, the law favors tenants in a lot of ways. She was a legal tenant, and the law is the law.

[KurPlexed]

@DownYonder

tried to get her to seek “help.” She has boasted about having “multiple personalities,” which indicates to me that she was at one point at least evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist.

I believe she testified to being bipolar and having narcissistic personality disorder.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Seems to me, the plan was to force him to evict her so she could sue him for broken contracts. Why else would she be talking about subpoenas, perjury and moles in the barn before the shooting…

Were there written contracts?

It is funny you ask that….there is evidence that MB kept really good records of things like training agreements. LK has never admitted to written contracts…but has previously talked about (and subsequently deleted) who was involved in negotiating with MB for the renovations and has made quite a bit of commentary about enforcing contracts…

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would have requested she leave earlier, and negotiate a buyout of some form

How much more negotiation do you want? Per testimony, his lawyer spent at least a week, maybe two, negotiating. On Aug 2nd, they thought, along with her dad, that she was moving on out that weekend. And then she said nope. So notices were sent.

Why do you keep skipping over the negotiations that happened?

[KurPlexed]

Blinkis had info on the amount and LK confirmed she did intend to bring suit in her testimony however she couldn’t recall the $ amount