Barisone assessment

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

It is funny you ask that….there is evidence that MB kept really good records of things like training agreements. LK has never admitted to written contracts…but has previously talked about (and subsequently deleted) who was involved in negotiating with MB for the renovations and has made quite a bit of commentary about enforcing contracts…

And didn’t she also text RG/JK that she knew how to gain access to the office and could get hold of agreements/contracts, etc?

[Sdel]

@BrendaJane

Isn’t there a bible passage about the beam in your eye vs the splinter in the other person’s?

we all know how effective tots and pears are. carry on.

edited for spelling, cos a bean was not mentioned in the bible…

[RHdobes563]

@Ghazzu

I believe it is also prudent to make a number of incisions to allow the release of post-mortem gas accumulation, which would make the corpse more buoyant.

Glad you mentioned that. On either (or both) the television shows, “Forensic Files” and “The New Detectives”, there were a couple of cases where corpses were weighed down with concrete blocks, and the subsequent gases actually caused the bodies to eventually float, which enabled them (obviously) to be found.

Sorry for the run-on sentence.

[RHdobes563]

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@Sdel

@DownYonder

@Sdel

n fact, maybe Ali actually refused to have anything to do with LK and that is the reason for the fraud allegations.
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I was thinking that LK’s rant on the SS thread about “fraud” at USEF was prompted when she learned that Brock was going to be a witness for the defense. ???

It’s way older than the witness list, and it’s been featured several times over the last 2-3 years. I don’t think the vague version was very long after the shooting….6 months or so…

Ok, thanks. I have missed stuff here and there on the various threads, and I admit my brain glazed over at times while trying to decipher her vague, meandering, illogical, and badly composed posts.

Brain not functioning fully here–I read that as “composted.”

[RHdobes563]

@BrendaJane

Beam meet splinter.

I think I figured out the name of the dead horse: Irony!

(I think I just found the name for my Kentucky Derby horse: Iron E wins! )

Is he/she by Ironicus?

I’m using “Psycho Analyze(d)” as mine. He/she will be by Freud or Overanalyze, although the latter is in South Korea now, I think.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Seems to me, the plan was to force him to evict her so she could sue him for broken contracts. Why else would she be talking about subpoenas, perjury and moles in the barn before the shooting…

Were there written contracts?

It is funny you ask that….there is evidence that MB kept really good records of things like training agreements. LK has never admitted to written contracts…but has previously talked about (and subsequently deleted) who was involved in negotiating with MB for the renovations and has made quite a bit of commentary about enforcing contracts…

Tarshis testified that there were no written contracts.

Verbal contracts are still contracts that can be enforced.

[DownYonder]

@KurPlexed

@DownYonder

tried to get her to seek “help.” She has boasted about having “multiple personalities,” which indicates to me that she was at one point at least evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist.

I believe she testified to being bipolar and having narcissistic personality disorder.

Ah, yes. Testified in court to being bipolar and having NPD. And stated on SM that she had multiple personalities (and couldn’t be sure what any of those personalities might do).

Bipolar + Narcissistic Personality Disorder + Dissociative Personality Disorder + drug addiction = a very volatile mix.

[Warmblood1]

Two questions:

Where was it being stablished that the breast implant was damaged when LK was shot? Was this one of the doctor’s testimony?

And where has it been established that LK has quit riding due to physical therapy on scar tissue? I suspect his one is unsubstantiated.

[MorganSercu]

You also do it when the victim is alive so they sink (Pinochet & the people he ordered to be murdered and were helicoptered out to sea).

[RHdobes563]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

With this post you’re confirming that by finding him NGRI, the jury did conclude that, beyond a reasonable doubt, Michael Barisone shot LK.

Not even a little bit since I wasn’t in the jury room. I can’t confirm what they concluded.

Maybe they figured LK had bullet holes, NGRI is a safe answer because there sure was overwhelming evidence as to his state of mind.

Maybe this was a compromise because anyone in my camp (NG) didn’t want to spend a 5 day weekend thinking about but not talking about the case, and again, NGRI was a safe answer.

Maybe to those 12 jurors, shoddy police work is so standard they don’t expect forensic evidence, so bullet holes was good enough.

I cannot confirm. I wasn’t there.

By saying you would have hung the jury by holding out for a straight NG because you don’t think the prosecution made its case that he shot her, that implies to me that the unhung jury that unanimously agreed on NGRI was in unanimous agreement that the prosecution did make its case.

Re bolded: according to the jury instructions, they’re not even supposed to consider the issue of insanity until after they’ve decided that the prosecution made its case that he shot her.

Not a legal expert here, but if the bolded were true, wouldn’t the verdict have been GUILTY?

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

How much more negotiation do you want? Per testimony, his lawyer spent at least a week, maybe two, negotiating. On Aug 2nd, they thought, along with her dad, that she was moving on out that weekend. And then she said nope. So notices were sent.

Why do you keep skipping over the negotiations that happened?

Because it contradicts the narrative k-klan wishes to force. It’s very clear that MB went to great lengths to have LK removed, per testimony under oath. Many involved. MB did not just wake up one day, give a 1-2 day notice and shoot her as CH would like all to believe.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would have requested she leave earlier, and negotiate a buyout of some form

How much more negotiation do you want? Per testimony, his lawyer spent at least a week, maybe two, negotiating. On Aug 2nd, they thought, along with her dad, that she was moving on out that weekend. And then she said nope. So notices were sent.

Why do you keep skipping over the negotiations that happened?

Yes, JK was in the process of negotiating an exit on LKs behalf, presumably with LKs consent to the process of the negotiation. As principal, she did not agree to the terms proposed by Tarshis and JK on Aug 5 or 6, and intended to continue negotiating via ED. All perfectly legal.

So LK and JK thought the issue was being resolved via door #2. The tragedy is that Barisone in his delusions was unable to let the negotiations continue for another few days and shot her.

[Warmblood1]

@Seeker1

I find it truly amusing when you and others make definitive assertions about what happened and you have absolutely no clue…

Are you now stating you witnessed the shooting? You weren’t there seeker, you know just as much as we do about the shooting. You’re simply believing the word of LK who also believed she was evacuated by helicopter to the hospital. Unreliable interpretation of events.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

1. No, I didn’t realize someone could get banned without being flagged. How would a poster be banned without someone bringing their behavior to the attention of the mods by flagging the offensive posts?

2. Is it considered bad behavior by the mods to “tag” or mention a banned poster? I mentioned both Equkelly and RND, and happened to do so by using their full screen name with the @. Are you saying its OK to mention a banned poster but just not OK to include the @??? You and others are constantly bringing up YD; is it acceptable to mention a banned poster as long as one omits the @? What difference does it make whether one happens to include the @?

1. Because maybe they have brought their posting behavior to the attention of the mods… or mods have been messaged about them or they have replied to mods in an inappropriate way… yet you maintain it is exclusively due to flagging, flagging, flagging - were you not bragging about flagging posts a while back? So many posts lecturing others about how to post and what to post about… my recollection may not be clear.

2. But why are you tagging them? As a way to show that you think they were wronged and you want them to know it and applaud you for it? If they were banned from the forum, they will not see it - which is what the @CurrentlyHorseless does (by example) - it is a notification to that poster. You can mention whoever the hell you like - but tagging them like that repeatedly if they cannot even get the notifications is just a grandiose exercise in futility. It is also something YD embraced - constantly tagging everyone and anyone ad nauseum - not a tactic to admire or adopt, IMO. Quoting someone - and then tagging them as well in your(g) reply - is just redundant and specious. They will get a notification for the quote - as well as the tag. And the next tag. And the one after that.

Deja vu… I have had this conversation before. YD gets brought up because the very tactics and MO that contributed to her getting banned are now being used again…

[Joanne]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he had served the 30 day notice on or before July 1, I think she would honored the 30 day notice and left prior to August 1.

I think that she would not have gone quietly and actually ramped up her goal to ruin him.

[LexInVA]

@Warmblood1

Two questions:

Where was it being stablished that the breast implant was damaged when LK was shot? Was this one of the doctor’s testimony?

And where has it been established that LK has quit riding due to physical therapy on scar tissue? I suspect his one is unsubstantiated.

The ruptured implant was removed during her surgery in the Trauma ER, according to the surgeon who testified. The wounds were in her upper chest, and correspond to where the implant would have sat behind her chest tissue, so the implant was ruptured due to the passage of the bullets through her body.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Verbal contracts are still contracts that can be enforced.

Seems to me it would be very difficult for a “verbal contract” to be enforced if the involved parties disagreed about the substance of said contract, particularly when one party is a highly successful and respected individual in his chosen profession and has a stellar reputation in the community (not a nuisance or a problem, no arrest record, etc.). And the other party is a lifelong grifter and self-admitted drug addict with an arrest record, and has admitted in court to lying whenever it suited her.

[smoofox]

@Joanne

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he had served the 30 day notice on or before July 1, I think she would honored the 30 day notice and left prior to August 1.

I think that she would not have gone quietly and actually ramped up her goal to ruin him.

Agreed. She all but spelled that out all over SM.

[ekat]

@Seeker1

Ok msg me please.

Nah, I’m good on the msg me thing. I’ll put stuff out here.

First, I have to correct myself. RG testified that he thought the lawyers were involved so he could get paid for his work, and LK told him not to submit his bill because it would ruin the plan.

It’s your daughter who testified that she, RG and your husband were planning on suing MB. Starting at 6:31:41. While you’re there, take a scroll through the comments. Might be enlightening for you.

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@ekat

How much more negotiation do you want? Per testimony, his lawyer spent at least a week, maybe two, negotiating. On Aug 2nd, they thought, along with her dad, that she was moving on out that weekend. And then she said nope. So notices were sent.

Why do you keep skipping over the negotiations that happened?

Because it contradicts the narrative k-klan wishes to force. It’s very clear that MB went to great lengths to have LK removed, per testimony under oath. Many involved. MB did not just wake up one day, give a 1-2 day notice and shoot her as CH would like all to believe.

I have answered for myself, Warmblood1.

I have never said that MB “woke up one day, gave a 1-2 day notice and shot her”.