Barisone assessment

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

That is incorrect. LK’s injuries were belittled for years and even after the testimony of the thoracic surgeon. That is why I started and continue to list them.

BS. Nobody has belittled her injuries or minimized how serious it is to be shot. People have questioned her false claims, such as being airlifted in a helicopter (and coding in the helicopter, Inthink?), being shot three times, or being in a coma for 3 weeks when her total hospital stay was only 19 days.

But nobody that I recall ever belittled the actual injuries. Since you recall differently, could you please post examples of such posts? They should be easy for you to find since you say they occurred for years.

Back when I was a mere lurker, I remember one of earlier threads was abruptly closed by the mods in the midst of a shouting match between LK and Eggbutt. One of the last posts was Eggbutt shouting “I HOPE YOU GOT YOUR BOOB FIXED!”

Charming.

After the surgeries to save her life, I suppose there must have been subsequent surgeries to repair the lung and replace the implant.

Does that qualify as belittling the seriousness of her injuries, or would you have interpreted having “I HOPE YOU GOT YOUR BOOB FIXED” on a public forum as a genuine conveying of good wishes? Good wishes from Eggbutt, no less?

Maybe it’s been cleaned up and deleted. It made quite an impression on me at the time.

You mean like Seekers lovely comment last night to @Danvers?

Did Seeker inquire as to whether Danvers had “HAD HER BOOBS FIXED”? No, I didn’t see that.

No it was worse.

[MHM]

@LilRanger

@ekat

Typically, does the judge make the decision right then and there? Or do they take it under advisement? Do they typically follow the Dr’s recommendation? Again - generally - not fact specific. I appreciate the insight!

In many cases, the Judge makes the decision at the hearing and the order is entered right then and there, with both parties signing it. Sometimes the orders are simply a form that the Judge fills out with check boxes and short determinations. other times the attorneys will bring a form or order prepared for the Judge to sign. That often happens if everyone is on the ssame page as to what will happen.

So does that mean the person would be released on the spot if that is the judge’s decision? Or is there some sort of discharge process to go through first?

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Assuming the amnesia was real, why do you imagine Barisone elected not to testify, Eggbutt?

Not Eggbutt, but I’ll tell you flat out - 99 out of 100 criminal defense attorneys don’t want their clients anywhere near the stand, amnesia or not. They don’t have to testify. The burden’s not on them, so why open themselves up to any kind of slip-up that could harm their case? That is kind of basic criminal trial defense strategy. You just don’t do it.

Edit to add: I didn’t say the jury in the civil case could hold it against him. I said they could infer something (could be good, could be bad, who knows) from his silence. Unlike a criminal trial where silence by the defendant is a constitutional right and nothing can be inferred (good bad or indifferent.). Does that clarify?

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Warmblood1

Of course not. All of these alleged posts CH and HH talk about have been “cleaned up” or “deleted” by mods.

Just because a rooster screams every morning, doesn’t mean CH or HH should

And yet, @Knights_Mom is not to be believed, per those same two, for having seen a Ruger gun post by a notorious post deleted.

The irony…

Especially with my posting proof of numerous other people both here and on FB in which they wrote of having seen the Ruger post too.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

Yes, I believe some now wonder who was the actual victim and who was the attacker. More and more it seems larger holes are being punched into the testimony of LK and RG. Too much does not add up for many. Personally I believe any “luring” that took place was LK luring MB to a spot easier for RG and the dog to attack him. But, of course the trial is over and verdict rendered. There will always be too many questions.

Barisone chose not to testify at the criminal trial, as was his right. According to Ekat, while he could decline to testify at the civil trial, jurors will be allowed to hold his refusal to testify against him.

Even if the amnesia during the time of the actual shooting is real, there is a lot he can be examined on with respect to the weeks prior to the shooting, when no amnesia has been claimed.

Assuming the amnesia was real, why do you imagine Barisone elected not to testify, Eggbutt? There’s a lot more that may come out in the civil trial, as it seems likely Barisone will need to testify.

Okay, I will be the target today…

Let’s say I had a horrible auto accident and was knocked unconscious, resulting in memory loss of the actual accident. In a criminal trial I would probably decline to testify about the actual wreck because I had no recollection, but in a civil trial I would definitely testify to the events that led up to the accident if, in fact I remembered them. I may be mistaken but I thought Simring said MB has pristine recollection up until arriving at his house and beat senseless (literally and figurally).

Does that answer your theoretical question?

I’ll be away for some time while I perform a system search of my alleged boob quote. I sure hope I’m able to find it, if not, well…

[Graymaresrule]

With out my husband I would be in serious difficulty.

[MHM]

@LilRanger

However I have seen people who were absolutely not going to ever going to be “productive members of society” get released because they were mostly harmless, fairly stable, and had a good support system to rely on.

That description would actually apply to an awful lot of people I’ve seen around horses, come to think of it. Lol.

[LilRanger]

@MHM

So does that mean the person would be released on the spot if that is the judge’s decision? Or is there some sort of discharge process to go through first?

If the judge finds no evidence to support a civil commitment, then yes, the person is free to leave, provided there isn’t some other reason (like they are alreadyinn custody for something else) keeping the there. There is sometimes some guidance from the provider about where to get meds or community supports and usually an offer of transportation, depending on the location.

[LilRanger]

Honestly, I think that applies to more people than you’d think!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

Eggbutt shouting “I HOPE YOU GOT YOUR BOOB FIXED!”

Hmmmm, that doesn’t sound like me! Do you have a screen shot or a phenomenal memory?

I just noticed this convenient out at the end of her post…of course!

Maybe it’s been cleaned up and deleted. It made quite an impression on me at the time.
Who would have cleaned up or deleted? I see a credibility issue.

I don’t have a phenomenal memory, or even an above average memory. I do, absolutely, remember seeing it, and the only reason I would remember a post is because of the over the top nastiness. I remember it was in all caps.

Who would have cleaned it up or deleted it? Well, either you or the mods, obv.

Instead on “suggesting” you didn’t post it by deflecting with a meaningless question or talking about “credibility issues”, please answer directly, yes or no, whether you posted it.

Despite my non phenomenal memory, I remember it distinctly. If you want to deny having written it, please make a straight denial, instead of hiding behind the deflection.

[BrendaJane]

I have a FB friend who wants to have Florida to be declared a 2nd sanctuary state, I am sure he was upset when I reacted with the laughing emoji.
So basically you get one issued at the state line…

[MHM]

@Sdel

There was that one time MHG told LK she couldn’t use a bridle. Of course, the bridle didn’t belong to LK and it seems she had failed to ask permission and just decided to borrow it.

I had forgotten about that one. Off with MHG’s head, obviously!

[BrendaJane]

you said booby?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

Eggbutt shouting “I HOPE YOU GOT YOUR BOOB FIXED!”

Hmmmm, that doesn’t sound like me! Do you have a screen shot or a phenomenal memory?

I just noticed this convenient out at the end of her post…of course!

Maybe it’s been cleaned up and deleted. It made quite an impression on me at the time.
Who would have cleaned up or deleted? I see a credibility issue.

I don’t have a phenomenal memory, or even an above average memory. I do, absolutely, remember seeing it, and the only reason I would remember a post is because of the over the top nastiness. I remember it was in all caps.

Who would have cleaned it up or deleted it? Well, either you or the mods, obv.

Instead on “suggesting” you didn’t post it by deflecting with a meaningless question or talking about “credibility issues”, please answer directly, yes or no, whether you posted it.

Despite my non phenomenal memory, I remember it distinctly. If you want to deny having written it, please make a straight denial, instead of hiding behind the deflection.

Okay @CurrentlyHorseless I just ran a search. I found all sorts of posts with the word “boob” posted on various forums in various forms by various posters, and guess what? Not one by me!

PERHAPS YOUR MEMORY IS FAULTY.

Apologize and delete your post. NOW.

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

That’s going to be up to the judge. On a personal level, I hope so. I also can see, based on views of the criminal trial, that Law & Crime might have some interest in doing so, and may ask permission.

Do you think his upcoming MH hearing will follow up with Judge Taylor from the criminal trail? I believe that is his name. In a lot of ways, I wish it were a different judge. Judge caught a lot of flack from others on YT so I suppose it’s not just me. I wondered during the criminal trial if the judge was more comfortable scolding the Mr. B because (IIRC), they had previously worked together, or if the judge had relations to a certain family.

I hope it’s public, too. Like the Heard/Depp trail, the trial was able to set the story straight regarding their characters and reputations. Maybe that, and the upcoming 48 hours episode and the Law and Crime interest will encourage its publicity.

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

And according to seeker, LK was paying MB to be the center of his life. In what universe does a client pay a trainer to be the center of their universe? Unbelievable.

I’ve actually seen that arrangement a few times. But in that case, the person hires their own private trainer, and compensates that trainer appropriately for the arrangement.

That is usually not the situation when a person is one customer among many in the trainer’s barn.

[LilRanger]

@Warmblood1

Do you think his upcoming MH hearing will follow up with Judge Taylor from the criminal trail

it should be the same judge who presided over the criminal trial. I have no reason to think he (the judge) would not rely on the expert’s opinion. That is their expertise and he is onl there to weigh the evidence presented by the state. MB will also have an attorney, if he wants to bring one to advocate for his position and to promote his interests.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

Yes, particularly if the civil trials are not broadcast she will have free rein to say whatever she wants and dare anyone to dispute her. If it is broadcast and recorded at least there will be fact checkers posting along just as the criminal trial.

It would certainly be helpful if the civil trial is broadcast to the public. But even if it’s not, even the most casual observer of the criminal trial would probably have a pretty strong opinion of her credibility.

[Warmblood1]

@MHM

I’ve actually seen that arrangement a few times. But in that case, the person hires their own private trainer, and compensates that trainer appropriately for the arrangement.

That is usually not the situation when a person is one customer among many in the trainer’s barn.

MB was not employed as LK’s sole trainer at her facility or whatever. MB had his own facility with working students, multiple clients, multiple directives (IE sales, training, board, etc) so I do not feel in any way it was reasonable for LK to expect that.

[Warmblood1]

Thank you, @LilRanger