Barisone Case on 48 Hours, 10:00 PM Eastern, Saturday, 9/17

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

So I’m guessing with all the back and forth, the obsession with trying to control the conversation, trying to force others to agree with a point of view, trying to force others to say a poster is right, is a reflection of how unhappy the Ks are with this recent 48 Hours episode.

No one drones on and on and feels an obligation to argue ad nauseam with posters on a b-board, despite voicing they don’t like doing it, unless they are invested.

And gauging by temperaments this morning and “RG’s” recent posts, I’d say Camp K is not happy. Not happy at all.

Oh well. You reap what you sew.

I am not a Kanarek, so I won’t speak for them, but I thought the 48 hours episode was excellent.

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

Can we all please cross our fingers and, as a group, tell @CurrentlyHorseless she is correct about everything so she will stop this nonsense??

Well, I wouldn’t go that far. It might just be easier to scroll on by. We were doing that very well, and it seems the reaction was to get more out there in the desperation to get a reaction from us. We really just need to buckle down and get back on the wagon and understand it’ll get worse before it gets better.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Bogey2

Of course she wanted her gone, I would have wanted her gone as a boarder not a love interest. I would not have tolerated LK for more than a couple of months. She had more backbone than Michael did and saw what LK was doing to him and others helped him act on it. MHG did not cause any of this so leave her alone, she’s not being sued either.

MHG: “I’m going to effing kill her.”

MHG: (not a direct quote) If all of us here and the others I have in my list complain to USEF, we can get her a lifetime ban.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

Can we all please cross our fingers and, as a group, tell @CurrentlyHorseless she is correct about everything so she will stop this nonsense??

Oh @CurrentlyHorseless you are so correct you’re oozing with correctness

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHG: “I’m going to effing kill her.”

MHG: (not a direct quote) If all over us here and the others I have in my list complain to USEF, we can get her a lifetime ban.

I just… can’t.

It’s an expression. Like I’m so tired I could die. Or a sister telling a brother “I could kill you!”

There is no limit or end to the ridiculous.

And LK deserves a lifetime ban.

[MorganSercu]

Oh yes, the threats. I’ve stated I was going to kill one of my kids, or kill a dog and serve it for dinner but you know what? I didn’t mean it, no one who overheard me was foolish enough to think I meant it because they’re not morons.

They recognize hyperbole, frustration and venting some steam when a person (or a pet!) is being particularly difficult or unpleasant.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

I just… can’t.

It’s an expression. Like I’m so tired I could die. Or a sister telling a brother “I could kill you!”

There is no limit or end to the ridiculous.

Also brings to mind the question of the accuracy of the transcripts that are currently subject to subpoenas etc in the civil suit…

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Jealoushe

Do people feel the episode hurt or will help the Civil case, or does it have no bearing?

I think it will have little if any bearing on the civil case. But… it might help drive more donations to MB’s GFM, just because of the publicity and sympathy that seems evident from the public reaction.

Also… I think the outpouring of public sympathy might sway Taylor toward releasing him at the next Krol hearing, should the report from the professionals monitoring and treating MB also be positive.

I would think the GoFundMe should get a boost of some kind as more people become aware of it.

I think the idea that Taylor will be swayed by anything other than judicial oversight may be a little optimistic. He seems to be pretty set on his current path.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

To be fair, LK did not out eggbutts identity. She just drew attention to eggbutt posting her own identity in a very understandably proud and happy post about her daughter’s success with her barn, riding, and training.

Isn’t it more accurate to say that LK scoured old posts of Eggbutts and FOUND the info from a post many years ago?

That’s how I remember it. Am I wrong?

Your comment is speculation on motive and your speculation may or may not be correct, I don’t know. My comment was the fact that LK did not out eggbutt but rather Eggbutt outed herself years before. I then went on to speculate that eggbutt outed herself because she was (and is) quite understandably proud of her daughter’s achievements. I really don’t know why eggbutt outed herself though.

[Warmblood1]

I got curious and looked at the GFM and there have been numerous donations in the past day or so.

[Mersidoats]

Exist? Ride well? Be a nice person? See through the Kanarek ? Chastise LK for laziness?

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

I also think that’s why the Ks are so desperate to control the internet’s reaction.

That doesn’t seem to be going too well for them.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

To be fair, LK did not out eggbutts identity. She just drew attention to eggbutt posting her own identity in a very understandably proud and happy post about her daughter’s success with her barn, riding, and training.

Isn’t it more accurate to say that LK scoured old posts of Eggbutts and FOUND the info from a post many years ago?

That’s how I remember it. Am I wrong?

Your comment is speculation on motive and your speculation may or may not be correct, I don’t know. My comment was the fact that LK did not out eggbutt but rather Eggbutt outed herself years before. I then went on to speculate that eggbutt outed herself because she was (and is) quite understandably proud of her daughter’s achievements. I really don’t know why eggbutt outed herself though.

I don’t know why someone was rummaging searches to find identifying info either. That’s not normal.

[Sdel]

You know….I’m going to go with the idea that since Deininger is asking for the transcripts that KK has, that the recording where that comes from doesn’t exactly match to context given in the summary it was included in….

[Warmblood1]

There is a reason the recordings weren’t used to convict MB (or MHG) for conspiracy to commit murder, etc.

The common person uses phrases such as “I’ll kill you if you do this” or “I could kill you” all the time.

Some people might even shoot at the tires of a SO’s motorcycle without intent to kill.

DH is knocking on death’s door this morning because of an alleged stick up his butt. I may threaten him, but he will live.

The common person understands that these are phrases, not true plots to act, hence why the recordings were never pursued criminally. It’s all proverbial fluff.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHG: “I’m going to effing kill her.”

MHG: (not a direct quote) If all over us here and the others I have in my list complain to USEF, we can get her a lifetime ban.

I just… can’t.

It’s an expression. Like I’m so tired I could die. Or a sister telling a brother “I could kill you!”

There is no limit or end to the ridiculous.

And LK deserves a lifetime ban.

MHG: “I’m going to effing kill her” (said twice)

Compare to:

LK: “Finish the bastard”

I agree with you that if I heard “I’m going to effing kill her”, as a sane person for whom it is unheard of that people go around settling disputes with guns, I would interpret it as an expression of rage and frustration, but not literally.

But she said that in front of a mentally unstable man who was or became delusional.

Not surprising that you don’t take MHG statement literally, but do take LKs statement literally.

[MHM]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes. I’m one of the very few posters representing a minority view. The mob has succeeded in bullying off almost all the posters who offer opinions disagreeing with their “narrative”.

Any lurkers or readers of the archived threads can see how minority posters are attacked and harassed.

Or, those of us that held the “minority view” went into the trial with clear eyes, hearts and minds and saw that the facts presented did not support our previously held opinions.

I mean… I think there are still people who hold the “minority view” that the earth is flat, or what have you.

That doesn’t mean they’re right about it. Or that all the other people telling them they’re wrong on the subject are harrassing or attacking them.

[LexInVA]

@Warmblood1

I think where 48 Hours could become relevant is if a jury member googles names during the civil trial. They are not supposed to but curiosity can get the best of us.

I also think that’s why the Ks are so desperate to control the internet’s reaction. They don’t want people to see who they truly are and have it effect their end game.

I did not know how the general public would respond to the 48 Hours episode but from what I’ve seen from various sources, the vast majority are pro MB. I think if jury members dig during the trial, their opinions could be swayed the same way as well. The Ks have not come across as sympathetic AT ALL. Probably more so than any case I’ve seen.

If you look at the local media coverage - newspapers, news sites, and such for NJ/NY area - for the trial, it stopped after the beginning of the trial, when the court testimony reflected poorly on LK and RG. From what I saw, it never picked up again, not even after the verdict, which was publicized extensively in the worldwide Equestrian media space and regular news media space.

[DownYonder]

@Maria

Didn’t they also call the house they were squatting on MB’s farm their house.

RG referred to it as “our property.” IIRC, it was during his testimony at the criminal trial when he expressed outrage at how MB came onto “our property” to confront them.

So they apparently consider anyplace they are living as “their property,” and it sounds as though that mindset also extends to anyplace where they are paying board for horses.

(Yippee, I am now only 4 hours behind and closing the gap on catching up…)

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

There is a reason the recordings weren’t used to convict MB (or MHG) for conspiracy to commit murder, etc.

The common person uses phrases such as “I’ll kill you if you do this” or “I could kill you” all the time.

Some people might even shoot at the tires of a SO’s motorcycle without intent to kill.

DH is knocking on death’s door this morning because of an alleged stick up his butt. I may threaten him, but he will live.

The common person understands that these are phrases, not true plots to act, hence why the recordings were never pursued criminally. It’s all proverbial fluff.

One could say the same types of things about “Finish the bastard”, but I haven’t heard the argument that it was “all fluff”made in that case.

Perhaps we should have T shirts printed with
LK: Finish the bastard
On the front, and
MHG: I’m going to effing kill her.
On the back.