Barisone Case on 48 Hours, 10:00 PM Eastern, Saturday, 9/17

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@Angela_Freda

But she also quickly deleted those comments too. So I’m not calling her a liar, but I do wonder where the disconnect is because…

Yes, deleted the moment it was news that MB was rejecting the plea and going to trial. She said she did not want to be involved.

And then Seeker spun it as “the prosecution kindly allowed her not to testify”….

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@CurrentlyHorseless

She was outed by her IRL name and told she was not a good enough rider to have a horse MB would be interested in. Sound familiar?

She gave it gladly and unprompted. She wasn’t “outed”.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Gee, I wonder why other former students with unfavorable experiences don’t post on COTH?

Interesting.
You assume there are others who feel their experience relates…

Could be they were unhappy, but understand it doesn’t approach the nature of the (wild) allegations made by the Kanareks and supporters.
For example.
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[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

Always with the personal attacks, Eggbutt. Can you not have a discussion without the snipes?

Irony?

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

Eggbutt. Can you not have a discussion without the snipes?

Indeed if posters stop with the constant innuendo and generally blaming others for everything.

[CindyB59]

I can’t think of a trainer I’ve worked with, that didn’t have former students that were unhappy with them for one reason or another. Some people don’t mesh. Most of us that ride have changed trainers or boarding facilities because of reasons that made it not a good fit. If asked, we may share our experiences with a particular trainer/facility. Then others can take our experience into consideration when choosing.

Guess what? 99.99999% of us leave the situation. Don’t like the horses care? Leave. Don’t like the trainers style? Leave. Feel they’re abusive, etc? Leave.

Common denominator? LEAVE

[Jealoushe]

@Angela_Freda

Irony?

How is that a personal attack? It was a valid question.

[Angela_Freda]

Exactly.

[Jealoushe]

@eggbutt

Indeed if posters stop with the constant innuendo and generally blaming others for everything.

why is it reliant on other posters? Why can’t you just have a discussion here without being nasty. I don’t get it?

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As far as the use of the word “attacked” goes, LK is always on the attack, always threatening, always waging war (via her own words and actions) and has done so for years…so there is a precedent and an outline to follow. That is a term she would embrace.

Yes - if MB was such a terrible, abusive, cruel trainer… then why did I-M/JK say they would consider riding with MB again with no mention of those issues? No need to think hard about that one…

No one here outted seahorse. She volunteered her info. As I mentioned in the other thread, she was probably very justified in her feelings and concerns about what happened in her experience. What is sad is the scramble to jump on that and wave it around as undeniable proof that MB is some kind of evil, infamous trainer that everyone has known about for years. Some clients and trainers just are not a good fit.

@CindyB59

I can’t think of a trainer I’ve worked with, that didn’t have former students that were unhappy with them for one reason or another. Some people don’t mesh. Most of us that ride have changed trainers or boarding facilities because of reasons that made it not a good fit. If asked, we may share our experiences with a particular trainer/facility. Then others can take our experience into consideration when choosing.

Guess what? 99.99999% of us leave the situation. Don’t like the horses care? Leave. Don’t like the trainers style? Leave. Feel they’re abusive, etc? Leave.

Common denominator? LEAVE

EXACTLY RIGHT and very well said. Personalities may clash. Schedules may conflict. Different styles of management may not work for some. There are many reasons that anyone unhappy with a trainer or barn can just… what was that word again? Oh yeah… LEAVE. LK had no intention of leaving.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

As we know, we really can’t take LK’s word for…anything, really. Which is actually rather sad and frustrating.

It’s entirely possible that MB simply asked, “Would you ever consider selling this horse?” And she dramatized the whole conversation. That’s actually not abnormal. I’ve had trainers, both my own and those who did not train me, ask if one of my horses were for sale/would I consider selling? I actually did end up selling one to a pro, and don’t find these type of conversations to be greedy, demanding, or weird. It’s really not that outlandish for a pro to see a horse that catches their eye, either for themselves or a client, and ask if the owner would consider a sale or trade.

As far as MB bullying his way into a sale or using other forceful tactics or even dishonest tactics, I’m not sure if there is any evidence of this? Is there?

Yes. There was a former client who posted here that MB wanted to campaign her PSG horse himself, she said “no”
and MB had the horse shipped to Florida without her knowledge of consent.

Years prior to the shooting, she posted here in response to a query on top dressage trainers in NJ after Barisone’s name came up. She stated that she had trained with Barisone and did not recommend him to others, describing him as “abusive”
and “dishonest”.

Ok. If that’s enough “proof” for you then fair enough. What one person says and what another (with a reputation of being dishonest and exaggerating) is enough to convince you, then alright. I still don’t know and will never know if or how that conversation actually happened between him and LK and if he was habitually abusive or dishonest.

I’m not debating that another poster shared their experience and says xyz, just so you know. That part did happen.

Yes, and there are two sides to the story @CurrentlyHorseless is referring to. The other side regarding the horse being shipped to FL was a lack of communication between the owner and Barisone (witnesses confirm) and the horse was immediately returned and all ties were mutually cut.

After almost 40 years in the business I’m thrilled they found 1 disgruntled client other than Miss Kanarek, who’s father said would consider riding with him again, as thought he would remotely consider it!

I choose to believe the owner herself. She said Barisone had the horse shipped without her knowledge or consent after she expressly declined his request to campaign the horse.

No doubt a poll on the thread would show most people believe Eggbutt, LOL.

[eggbutt]

I’m sorry @Jealoushe, I responded to your edit of my comment and have absolutely no intention of being baited into an argument with you. As far as being “attacked”, suffice to say I have endured more than my fair share over the past three years.

[Angela_Freda]

Attack.
Everything is an attack.
The word has lost it’s oomph through overuse and mis-use

I no longer know what anyone means by using “attack”.
It’s now an ineffective word.
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[Jealoushe]

I’m not trying to argue at all. It was a question and you of course don’t have to answer.

[Jealoushe]

@Angela_Freda

Attack.
Everything is an attack.
The word has lost it’s oomph through overuse and mis-use

I no longer know what anyone means by using “attack”.
It’s now an ineffective word.

Congrats?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

thread would show most people believe Eggbutt, LOL.

Yes, for sure because I am not known to lie.

[BatCoach]

well, your quotes are not verbatim. Here is the post from November 2015 that I believe you are referencing:

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

As we know, we really can’t take LK’s word for…anything, really. Which is actually rather sad and frustrating.

It’s entirely possible that MB simply asked, “Would you ever consider selling this horse?” And she dramatized the whole conversation. That’s actually not abnormal. I’ve had trainers, both my own and those who did not train me, ask if one of my horses were for sale/would I consider selling? I actually did end up selling one to a pro, and don’t find these type of conversations to be greedy, demanding, or weird. It’s really not that outlandish for a pro to see a horse that catches their eye, either for themselves or a client, and ask if the owner would consider a sale or trade.

As far as MB bullying his way into a sale or using other forceful tactics or even dishonest tactics, I’m not sure if there is any evidence of this? Is there?

Yes. There was a former client who posted here that MB wanted to campaign her PSG horse himself, she said “no”
and MB had the horse shipped to Florida without her knowledge of consent.

Years prior to the shooting, she posted here in response to a query on top dressage trainers in NJ after Barisone’s name came up. She stated that she had trained with Barisone and did not recommend him to others, describing him as “abusive”
and “dishonest”.

Ok. If that’s enough “proof” for you then fair enough. What one person says and what another (with a reputation of being dishonest and exaggerating) is enough to convince you, then alright. I still don’t know and will never know if or how that conversation actually happened between him and LK and if he was habitually abusive or dishonest.

I’m not debating that another poster shared their experience and says xyz, just so you know. That part did happen.

Yes, and there are two sides to the story @CurrentlyHorseless is referring to. The other side regarding the horse being shipped to FL was a lack of communication between the owner and Barisone (witnesses confirm) and the horse was immediately returned and all ties were mutually cut.

After almost 40 years in the business I’m thrilled they found 1 disgruntled client other than Miss Kanarek, who’s father said would consider riding with him again, as thought he would remotely consider it!

I choose to believe the owner herself. She said Barisone had the horse shipped without her knowledge or consent after she expressly declined his request to campaign the horse.

No doubt a poll on the thread would show most people believe Eggbutt, LOL.

I mean, I don’t always believe random strangers (any random strangers), but hey, that’s me.

[smoofox]

Hello? Moderator 1 recently posted that the tit for tat, neener-neener back and forth pokes and insults needed to stop. Posts were deleted in an attempt to facilitate that. Can we please stop it?

Good news about your old guy, @ekat! When our old 95 pound Lab-Newf mix had a similar episode, he did not do it at the vet but as I was getting him in the car to go see the vet. It was very hard - on both of us! He was 12 years old and responded well to treatment. He enjoyed another year of happy retirement until he just… loped off to the rainbow bridge as he slept in the sun on the deck.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

He’s 13 years old with arthritis. Yesterday he somehow got overexcited and did something that pinched a nerve in his back, or at least that’s the diagnosis we are at. It’s a little scary when your old man dog can’t stand up on his own. Luckily it actually happened while we were AT THE VET, and I didn’t have to figure out how to get his big ole self TO the vet.

So glad he is doing better! We had a similar experience with our dog a few years ago. She could barely stand up one morning and once she got to her feet, she could barely move her hindlimbs. X-rays didn’t show anything out of the ordinary but we were referred to a veterinary neurology service, who recommended MRI and CSF tap. Between pain meds and rest, she was pretty much back to normal by the time the MRI appt rolled around (during Covid, took 3 weeks to schedule), but we went through with it anyway so we could rule out spinal issues (I had just lost my riding horse a few months prior to that due to a herniated disc so I was pretty gun-shy). It was a scary - and very expensive - experience but thank God, everything came back as normal and (knock on wood) she hasn’t had a recurrence.