Barisone Criminal Case Update

[eggbutt]

I’ve met MB exactly three times - in Raleigh, NC at various CDIs. He was always gregarious, loud, boisterous and seemed respected by his peers. I’m certainly not an MB groupie anymore than I’m a Robert Dover, Lars Petersen, or George Williams groupie.

I’ve always thought this horrible situation could have been avoided if not for stubbornness and desire to control…the stay and fight mentality. Such a shame.

[AnastasiaBeaverhousen]

What are you afraid of now?
Did he ever threaten you or your horse with physical violence,
Was your horse ever abused?

Was he ever verbally abusive?

Did he ever threaten you with violence or other forms of retaliation if you left?

If yes, why didn’t you go to the authorities?

We all have our own ideas about what constitutes abuse.

I am very sorry your experience was that bad, but so far you had not posted anything that meets a legal standard of criminal behavior.

Nor do you have to. This is not a court and I am not making any demands.

However, I do question your posting about someone in such nebulous terms .

Again, never met the man . Never had lessons or knew anybody in real life who has.

[Knights_Mom]

@CanteringCarrot

@Dragonfly90

Just staying she spoke out and at the end of it all she was shot. Never said direct cause of her speaking out was being shot. Obviously a lot went on in between. People often walk away, taking a hit financially, to avoid conflict and the possibility of being hurt. I have done that myself. LK decided to stay and fight, she ended up getting shot. And that is why people may have not spoken out against a man they felt could be dangerous. They may be speaking out, just not online. Not everyone is interested in getting involved with online drama.

Serious question; fight what?

I mean, speaking out against a bully, person with bad character, dishonesty, and/or whatever may apply is one thing. Especially if one can warn against working with a bad person or prevent people from getting involved. However, one could still do that while getting far away from the individual.

It’s not as if LK, in this case, was on her own land, at her own stable, being bullied by a tenant, boarder, employee, associate, or whomever. She was a tennant, boarder, and client of MB (as far as I know). So in that case, one would leave the property, move themselves and their animals. They could then still speak out and expose the bad individual (MB in this case). I am not looking to criticize what LK did or didn’t do, since that’s not my point here. Even if we remove names, but keep a similar scenario, what is “the fight” to be fought by staying in place.

People do often take a hit financially to avoid conflict, remain safe, avoid a headache, or any future problems. I’ve done this before. If my horse were at a stable that provided care not to my standards/proper standards in general, I wouldn’t “stay and fight” I would move. I could then leave a negative, but truthful, review, and tell people about my experience if I wanted to…but stay and fight? Force the BO/BM or whoever to change? Fight them until they do as I say?

I could chose to fight them legally, as in if there’s breach of contract or other doings that are worthy of a legal battle. I’d still get out though.

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t disagree that others might not have spoken out due to fear that they would have been victims of a violent act, much like LK.

I can also understand why people may choose to not speak out online, want to avoid online drama, and/or don’t want to complain in writing. On the other hand, the internet is also a powerful tool that can be used to spread word, in a good way, sometimes this can be done anonymously.

@CanteringCarrot

I agree 100% with every word you said.

[Dragonfly90]

@Angela_Freda

So you believe she was shot because she spoke out against MBs anger issue/violent tendencies?
Based on what?

Based on nothing as I never said that! My comment was the cliff notes version on what happened. She goes on Facebook telling what is happening and what a bad guy he is, she gets shot, she gets trashed online. I guess I should have put in everything that went on in between. But I never said “she got shot because she spoke out against him.”
He has referred to things she said on Facebook on his 911 calls and his lawyer has also in the suits he has filed, so certainly that didn’t help the situation. But not a direct cause and effect of the shooting.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

Honestly, I think when people are treated with respect they get respect in return. I have been slashed and bashed and gutted in so many ugly ways by LK I now refuse to respond to her snarky, rude posts directed at me. She does not exist on this forum as far as I am concerned, partly because of advice from my attorney.

KM and others were attacked via messaging out of the blue. At least one of the messaging victims was so fearful she erased all her vanilla posts and has never posted again. So, yeah, perhaps KM could have a different tone with you but I know she will never have a different tone toward LK.

I do appreciate your response to my question.

I have the tone I have with IM due to nasty things they said to me. Like a mirror, I reflect back.

[trubandloki]

@Inigo-montoya

Yes…I’m aware LK sent KM a what she perceived to be a threatening PM. Maybe it was. People receive cease and desist letters from lawyers all the time. Perhaps LK should have employed a lawyer to write a letter instead of that “harrowing” private message. Perhaps then KM would not have suffered such permanent trauma.

Is that KM’s excuse for her insane response to my conversation with Eggbutt?

She threatened to take KM’s farm when KM had done nothing to her. Go back and read the first bunch of threads if you wonder who was out of line there. Deep down you know that LK was totally out of line and sometimes when you poke someone they come back at you.
KM might not be as polite as you would like them to be here, but they have done nothing to the level of threatening to ‘take your farm’.
LK sent threatening PM’s to lots of people. LK was clearly showing her bully side. The same side she has shown on her social media pages previously (unrelated to the shooting, before the shooting).

[Knights_Mom]

@Dragonfly90

@Angela_Freda

So you believe she was shot because she spoke out against MBs anger issue/violent tendencies?
Based on what?

Based on nothing as I never said that! My comment was the cliff notes version on what happened. She goes on Facebook telling what is happening and what a bad guy he is, she gets shot, she gets trashed online. I guess I should have put in everything that went on in between. But I never said “she got shot because she spoke out against him.”
He has referred to things she said on Facebook on his 911 calls and his lawyer has also in the suits he has filed, so certainly that didn’t help the situation. But not a direct cause and effect of the shooting.

Of course he reported on her FB posts!! They were alarming, spoke of multiple personalities, etc.

[Dragonfly90]

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

[Fat_Dinah]

It is likely RC routinely kept her gun in her vehicle, especially when traveling a long distance alone. Many people do that, men and women. There is no need to create conspiracies from ordinary events jus t because they come prior to an extraordinary occurence.
I think this story of RC sleeping with a gun outside a stall has been shown as false.
At some point, RC and MB discussed her gun, she gave it to him, and from there, we have no factual information about the gun. I assume the prosecution is calling RC and perhaps others to es tablish a chain of custody for the gun until police recover it at the scene of the shooting.

[Knights_Mom]

@Dragonfly90

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

Why would she have the “right” to be there. Did she own it?

[seahorse]

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[eggbutt]

@seahorse

I was and still am afraid. I was a coward for not speaking up about my experiences with MB.

I actually tried to send a warning message to the victim before the shooting through another prior barn member that knew both parties. I wanted the victim to be aware that when I was there he had guns and was experienced with them and that I saw his quick (in my opinion) temper.

I don’t know what happened with anyone after I left the barn about 5 years ago.

You mention you “tried to send warning to the victim”. Did you send it? Did she receive it?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Dragonfly90

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

I was not asking you to speak for her (none of us can), make judgment on how she felt or how she assessed the situation. If you don’t want to answer my question or have an objective discussion, then fair enough.

She may of felt she had a right to be there and may have had a right to be there. However, if my safety, life, or animals are at risk, I don’t care if I have a right to be there, I’ll leave to save myself and them. That being said, I don’t know all of the details in the MB/LK saga. So, can’t say exactly what happened, or the thought processes there. Just speaking in general.

[Knights_Mom]

I just want to reiterate again:

I feel and I believe most of us feel bad for the lives impacted by an event that NEVER should have happened.

With a story as choppy and inconsistent as this it’s important to look closely at how things tie together and that’s what we are discussing.

We all want justice to prevail.

If the intention was to kill then a proper sentence must be made. No matter what the truth turns out to be, there must be just relief and punishment if need be.

[Knights_Mom]

@seahorse

I could answer some of your questions and I could elaborate further and I could provide written proof of what I have written (in deliberate nebulous terms), but I don’t want to get sued and I don’t want to become a target of anyone connected or interested in this case.

Sorry, but I don’t want to risk my wellbeing, my horses wellbeing or my family’s wellbeing.

You don’t have to say anything further and I wish you peace.

[seahorse]

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[CanteringCarrot]

Possibly some rights as a tennant?

[Dragonfly90]

Perhaps she stayed as she either felt she had the right to stay until terms of their leaving were worked out as the original agreement now had to be changed or a some other reason. I don’t know. You would have to ask her. But she probably quite done with that question(why didn’t you leave?) and as much as it bothers some people they probably are not going to be satisfied with any answer.

[CanteringCarrot]

Could be a simple as hindsight is 20/20

[Knights_Mom]

@CanteringCarrot

Possibly some rights as a tennant?

Yes if someone has occupied a space for 30 days they have rights. To get them out you begin with a 30 day vacate notice.

My take on what’s being said is that LK felt the right to stay indefinitely. And I think that because if a landlord tells a tenant to go (as I cited in my own case in an earlier post) then you have a conversation.

LL: You need to vacate. This is your 30 day notice

Tenant: Ok it’s a shame we couldn’t work things out but I’ll start looking for a place. It may take time to find a place. I’ll leave as soon as I can.

There. Done.

We know LK had access to homes, money and I read of at least a dozen, maybe 2 dozen offers for stabling. So why the drama? THAT’S what I can’t wrap my head around.