Barisone Criminal Case Update

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@Dragonfly90

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

Why would she have the “right” to be there. Did she own it?

You’ve answered this yourself many times, KM! By occupying the residence for more than thirty days, by June or earlier she had established rights as a tenant, even in the absence of a lease, and even if she was not paying rent beyond what she was paying for board and training.

Barisone’s civil lawyers created a detailed timeline which stated that Barisone in his speech in the police station stated that the request to vacate had been issued that day, Aug 5, 2019.

IM has stated that both sets of lawyers had negotiated the departure of LK and RG (along with the horses, dogs, tack, etc). But the demanded departure date could not have been prior to 30 days later, right?

If LK gets a vacate demand Aug 5 to leave by Sept 5, she has the right to remain all the way though Sept 4!

In your own story, when asked to leave, you said you left “in a month or two” when you could arrange a new place. “A month or two”, not 30 days, not the next day.

I’m not disputing any of this. I don’t think there was an expectation of immediate this second vacatur.

It’s the facts and actions of that final confrontation that remain open.

[CHT]

We will probably never know why he decided to shoot her. I doubt LK knows, and I doubt that even MB knows/will fully admit.

I do think there is more to it on the financial side that LK didn’t want to just walk away from, but we likely won’t learn that either as it likely isn’t relevant to the case.

Didn’t she have an agreement with the Property owner to live on the property vs MB?

The victim blaming continues. Although LK is no angel apparently, and may have some issues, I can’t imagine being in her position and reading the things being written excusing what happened and blaming her actions/lack of actions. I also can understand why she continues to read it even though it really sucks.

I don’t know why so much of the case speculation focuses on LK and not MB. She is not the one on trial.

[Blugal]

@seahorse thanks for your participation. I’m not sure why you got the tone of responses you did. You had valid reasons and emotions and don’t owe anyone an explanation.

[RND]

@Blugal

I’m not sure why you got the tone of responses you did.

Because there are some really disgusting people here who have no idea what it means to be decent. I wonder if they blame their parents?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’ve answered this yourself many times, KM! By occupying the residence for more than thirty days, by June or earlier she had established rights as a tenant, even in the absence of a lease, and even if she was not paying rent beyond what she was paying for board and training.

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He told her leave on Aug 5.
He shot her on Aug 7.

It would have been far, far preferable for him to have taken your non legal approach of putting “her crap” on the street and moving her horses without her permission. Better for LK, better for MHG, and far, far better for MB. Better for all the other clients at that beautiful farm.

That’s the tragedy here. He shot her rather than merely violating her rights as a tenant. Or simply waiting a couple weeks until the date negotiated by his own lawyers, which is what most responsible grown ups would have done.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

He told her leave on Aug 5.
He shot her on Aug 7.

It would have been far, far preferable for him to have taken your non legal approach of putting “her crap” on the street and moving her horses without her permission. Better for LK, better for MHG, and far, far better for MB. Better for all the other clients at that beautiful farm.

Just want to point out that in those 2 days his house and barn were condemned, the residents evicted, and CPS had shown up to investigate for child abuse……after already being harassed and threatened for a week straight. How much more were they expected to endure during that 30 days? How much more was the police expected to ignore?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’ve answered this yourself many times, KM! By occupying the residence for more than thirty days, by June or earlier she had established rights as a tenant, even in the absence of a lease, and even if she was not paying rent beyond what she was paying for board and training.

Who the hell does that? Who stays and vows to destroy other people because their training agreement fell through? Who vows to ruin a woman and her family becausecthey were evicted? That’s sociopathic behaviour. You don’t get to defend that, lol. That’s a nightmare person, one I would want off my property. If it were me, she’d find her crap on the street and her horses in a new barn hundreds of miles away near her permanent home, come hell or high water, and I’d happily face her in court and face any judgement. But she would be gone off my farm.

He told her leave on Aug 5.
He shot her on Aug 7.

It would have been far, far preferable for him to have taken your non legal approach of putting “her crap” on the street and moving her horses without her permission. Better for LK, better for MHG, and far, far better for MB. Better for all the other clients at that beautiful farm.

That’s the tragedy here. He shot her rather than merely violating her rights as a tenant. Or simply waiting a couple weeks until the date negotiated by his own lawyers, which is what most responsible grown ups would have done.

You’re right. But the point of a criminal trial is to ascertain the step by step, moment by moment, words and actions of each of the people present in order to properly ascertain the exact measure of culpability.

The law insists on open minds until such time as a verdict is rendered. Innocent until proven guilty is a standard that isnt always emotionally possible. So although for those closest to the parties the situation is clear and obvious in their own minds, the law requires the formal steps of learning and judging every moment and action that led to the offense charged.

And it is in that light that discussions such as this should take place.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Barisone’s civil lawyers created a detailed timeline which stated that Barisone in his speech in the police station stated that the request to vacate had been issued that day, Aug 5, 2019.

IM has stated that both sets of lawyers had negotiated the departure of LK and RG (along with the horses, dogs, tack, etc). But the demanded departure date could not have been prior to 30 days later, right?

If LK gets a vacate demand Aug 5 to leave by Sept 5, she has the right to remain all the way though Sept 4!

Well, to be fair….LK’s version of the story is that she’d NEVER been asked to leave….

So which version is correct? What is someone supposed to do when one person is completely denying reality?

ETA: Also, I thought LK said that lawsuit was all bunch of lies……so, someone is lying….

Barisone’s lawyers allege in the filing that the demand to vacate had been made that day, Aug 5. Maybe he meant “that day” in the way some people say “the check is in the mail”. Who knows. (Well, IM probably knows.)

If LK did not receive a demand to vacate prior to Aug 5, then most of MBs 911 calls were made prior to the demand to vacate. I am willing to cut LK some slack for saying “MB never asked me to leave” if the actual situation was that LK had already voluntarily agreed, through the lawyers, to leave within a couple weeks, in an agreement dated Aug 5. If she had already negotiated and agreed to leave within a few weeks, then I think it’s fair to say “MB never asked me to leave”.

[BrendaJane]

well, enter the building inspectirwho condemmed the place which meant ‘get out now’

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@Dragonfly90

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

Why would she have the “right” to be there. Did she own it?

You’ve answered this yourself many times, KM! By occupying the residence for more than thirty days, by June or earlier she had established rights as a tenant, even in the absence of a lease, and even if she was not paying rent beyond what she was paying for board and training.

Barisone’s civil lawyers created a detailed timeline which stated that Barisone in his speech in the police station stated that the request to vacate had been issued that day, Aug 5, 2019.

IM has stated that both sets of lawyers had negotiated the departure of LK and RG (along with the horses, dogs, tack, etc). But the demanded departure date could not have been prior to 30 days later, right?

If LK gets a vacate demand Aug 5 to leave by Sept 5, she has the right to remain all the way though Sept 4!

In your own story, when asked to leave, you said you left “in a month or two” when you could arrange a new place. “A month or two”, not 30 days, not the next day.

I’m not disputing any of this. I don’t think there was an expectation of immediate this second vacatur.

It’s the facts and actions of that final confrontation that remain open.

So, just to be clear, you agree she had a right to be there through about Sept 5.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Barisone’s lawyers allege in the filing that the demand to vacate had been made that day, Aug 5. Maybe he meant “that day” in the way some people say “the check is in the mail”. Who knows. (Well, IM probably knows.)

Nice try…but IM has also confirmed that LK was asked to leave, and the lawyers were “negotiating” it. You can assume she “knew” she was going to have to leave. And LK has said more than once she called the BI and FM, SS, USEF and others….and MB et al. certainly didn’t call CPS on themselves.

[iris2006]

@eggbutt

@iris2006

None of them my fault. I honestly had no idea what I was walking into. I mean, I knew the divorce was happening right then, but I didn’t know much else.
Once I put the puzzle together, it all made sense. It was also too late to do anything about it - except wish I saw right through her from day 1.

Was anything LK’s “fault”?? A potential juror is logically going to ask why she didn’t leave when she became aware of all this plotting and danger? We are aware she had several offers to leave and take the animals with her but chose not to. Of course, not leaving does not give grounds for acquittal, but all the “puzzle pieces” falling into place regarding the harassment, pressure, taunts (we’ve all seen examples of LK’s taunting and belittling tactics) sure does imply mental breaks. I still haven’t ruled out self defense either, as I know others also suspect.

So instead it was a big plot by MH to get a horse. Does that make any sense to anyone?

Who know? After all, IM brought up the MH stuff again. It sounds like there may really be tapes, and La-La always said that RC owned the gun and that ended up being true. I was really surprised when I looked back at those old posts and saw all the detail La-La went into. It is very interesting to read it all again. That’s why I brought those old posts forward.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@Dragonfly90

@CanteringCarrot

So I am just confused about the “stay and fight” statement. Fight, maybe, but stay and fight, I don’t know. Unless it were on my own property, for example.

I don’t want to speak for her but I am assuming that is how she felt, that she had the right to be there. Not my place to make judgement on how she felt or how she assessed the situation.

Why would she have the “right” to be there. Did she own it?

You’ve answered this yourself many times, KM! By occupying the residence for more than thirty days, by June or earlier she had established rights as a tenant, even in the absence of a lease, and even if she was not paying rent beyond what she was paying for board and training.

Barisone’s civil lawyers created a detailed timeline which stated that Barisone in his speech in the police station stated that the request to vacate had been issued that day, Aug 5, 2019.

IM has stated that both sets of lawyers had negotiated the departure of LK and RG (along with the horses, dogs, tack, etc). But the demanded departure date could not have been prior to 30 days later, right?

If LK gets a vacate demand Aug 5 to leave by Sept 5, she has the right to remain all the way though Sept 4!

In your own story, when asked to leave, you said you left “in a month or two” when you could arrange a new place. “A month or two”, not 30 days, not the next day.

I’m not disputing any of this. I don’t think there was an expectation of immediate this second vacatur.

It’s the facts and actions of that final confrontation that remain open.

So, just to be clear, you agree she had a right to be there through about Sept 5.

If you are asking me, my answer is that I do not know. I don’t have enough facts to either support or oppose her right to stay. The Building Dept/Inspection information is as of yet very unclear, for one.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

He told her leave on Aug 5.
He shot her on Aug 7.

It would have been far, far preferable for him to have taken your non legal approach of putting “her crap” on the street and moving her horses without her permission. Better for LK, better for MHG, and far, far better for MB. Better for all the other clients at that beautiful farm.

Just want to point out that in those 2 days his house and barn were condemned, the residents evicted, and CPS had shown up to investigate for child abuse……after already being harassed and threatened for a week straight. How much more were they expected to endure during that 30 days? How much more was the police expected to ignore?

Yeah, it was bad. What he did made it literally 1,000 times worse.

[CHT]

I don’t think LK has the power to condemn a barn/residence unless there is a reason for it to be condemned. We don’t know if there was child abuse. It seems likely that MB had some anger control/judgement issues given that he shot someone, so it doesn’t seem out of line to think there may have been issues.

Police aren’t courts. They don’t get to decide outcomes. People can’t use them as their personal conflict dispute arbitrators. The police did make mistakes, but they are bound by the law and have limits as to what they can do, and I am not sure what they could do to immediately resolve/diffuse the situation. What do you think they should have done @Sdel ?

[BrendaJane]

@CHT

I don’t think LK has the power to condemn a barn/residence

ahhhhh, you are new, aren’t you…
There is the issue of an unlicensed handyman (RG) doing substandard work on the farmhouse.
And it is suggested that LK called the building inspector…

[Sdel]

@BrendaJane

And it is suggested that LK called the building inspector…

Ummm, she outright stated she did. Too many “fire hazards” living in the barn….

[BrendaJane]

thank you. Even I get overwhelmed at times by the details. (LOL, does not take much, really)

[La-LaPopRider]

@Ambitious_Kate

Imagine thinking you had the right to live on the farm after MB asked you to leave. Imagine creating a “fight” to ruin a man because you were jealous of his relationship and plans with his girlfriend. Imagine setting out to ruin a woman and her family because your trainer stopped wanting you as a client and you perceived his girlfriend supported his decision to sever your business relationship. Get it through your head, MB didn’t want you as a client. And didn’t want you on his property anymore. What do you care why? It’s done. Leave.

You want to wreak havoc on your way out? That says everything about who you are as a person. No wonder he wanted you gone.

Why would I “imagine,” any of that? If that is where your imagination brings you, that’s on you. If your imagination is this limited, I actually feel sorry for you. And yes, all that you’ve just imagined would be bad! If only…… if only…… one single word or syllable were true. But, hey, let your imagination run wild! Maybe it’ll help your “ambitions,” @Ambitious_Kate. (Doubt it. But to quote Wayne Gretzky “you miss 100% of the shots you never take.”)

While I’m here, @Knights_Mom- the Fb post you mention re: “multiple personalities,” had an entire extra paragraph. How do you suppose the police felt after being summoned by 911 call over said post, only to read it in its entirety & find it to be a post expressing FEAR rather than causing it. Then, realizing they were called based on an out-of-context reading of a post’s opening lines, rather than the post itself, which was kept from them by the caller, until I showed it to them, myself. If I were a cop, I’d begin to see a pattern in the caller’s behavior. Police are not pawns. And yes, that post should have been alarming. That post’s expression of the need/desire to “build a bunker to keep the horses and myself, safe,” (the actual crux of the post) should have raised alarm bells. Probably why the caller “forgot,” to read that part.

One last thing …… KM- no, there were NOT “two dozen,” or even 1 dozen offers to “rescue,” my horses or me. Stop lying. That’s first. Next, since you don’t know ANY of the Fb friends who DID offer various things, probably best you don’t assume that they were local, known by me in a IRL & very personal way, or anything else you’ve falsely (as always) asserted. You are just as ridiculous as AK and THAT is really saying something!

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