Barisone Criminal Case Update

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Also, no one went to bed, they just started another topic called “Sidebar, Your Honor” that continues the same old stew.

Uh, that “Sidebar” started way, way before last night.

Nope. Last night. It’s verifiable as 1st post is marked 1d. I noticed it when it had 4 posts.

[CanteringCarrot]

@trubandloki

@CanteringCarrot

If you don’t believe his side, then you’re not who I am referring to.

Do we know his side?
As far as I know he has not spoken about any of this.

I can say I believe actual court documents more than I believe journalistic articles that can not even identify a photo as not being the actual victim.

See my last post on the matter…#1000

[CanteringCarrot]

@endlessclimb

@hut-ho78

Question. We have some boarders that use hut-ho as part of their regular horse training vocabulary. I assume the HUT is a heads up that somethings coming, and then ho.

Except they go around saying “hut hut hut” to their horses and all I can think about is Mars Attacks with the aliens…

Is that where your username comes from? Is this a common verbal command? I only recently heard it.

this is a good question.

I heard my husband say it once or twice and I asked him where he learned this from, he doesn’t know/remember

[BrendaJane]

lol, I suppose when your local time is near the National Dateline…

[MHM]

@Inigo-montoya

When you tell the truth you don’t have to keep editing your story.

This is one of the funniest statements I’ve seen on here in a long time, given the subject and the history of extremely extensive edits by one of the parties involved. Sometimes years after the posts in question.

@Inigo-montoya

And I was able to get information from LK’s father

Really? That probably didn’t take long, did it? Lol.

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Also, no one went to bed, they just started another topic called “Sidebar, Your Honor” that continues the same old stew.

Uh, that “Sidebar” started way, way before last night.

Nope. Last night. It’s verifiable as 1st post is marked 1d. I noticed it when it had 4 posts.

I don’t know, the 1d is sort of vague since I saw it there yesterday before the evening, which would be my time zone in Europe, but still, it was there a bit earlier than last night (US time). There are posts from 23 hours ago. So perhaps it was a bit earlier than the evening when it was created.

[BigMama1]

@Inigo-montoya

Maybe . But you can’t go out and try to murder people because you’re angry.

From Day 1 this has been the heart of the matter. Whether you love MB or not. Whether you hate LK or not. Unless there is some compelling evidence produced at trial which shows Barisone didn’t bring the gun to the scene and / or didn’t pull the trigger, none of the other speculation really matters, does it?

[trubandloki]

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Also, no one went to bed, they just started another topic called “Sidebar, Your Honor” that continues the same old stew.

Uh, that “Sidebar” started way, way before last night.

Nope. Last night. It’s verifiable as 1st post is marked 1d. I noticed it when it had 4 posts.

I don’t know, the 1d is sort of vague since I saw it there yesterday before the evening, which would be my time zone in Europe, but still, it was there a bit earlier than last night (US time). There are posts from 23 hours ago. So perhaps it was a bit earlier than the evening when it was created.

It was there all day yesterday.

[trubandloki]

@BigMama1

@Inigo-montoya

Maybe . But you can’t go out and try to murder people because you’re angry.

From Day 1 this has been the heart of the matter. Whether you love MB or not. Whether you hate LK or not. Unless there is some compelling evidence produced at trial which shows Barisone didn’t bring the gun to the scene and / or didn’t pull the trigger, none of the other speculation really matters, does it?

Nope. Nothing we say here matters at all.
And it is all speculation and simply discussion.

[hut-ho78]

@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

Without VKB to keep everything running smoothly in the background so he could be a star, something he acknowledged publicly for years, making a point of how she enabled him to train horses and give clinics by handling everything else, all the frustration of running a facility with young horses, trained horses, boarders, staff, maintenance, a freeze, etc. just seemed more than he could handle on his own. Instead of being able to rely on the new girlfriend and the person pinch hitting as barn manager, it seems like they just helped him make the worst decisions of his life. Didn’t keep it together long without VKB.

Curious - was LK already a client of MB’s when he and VKB split? Or did LK come into the picture later?

I think they filed in 2017. Found it in an article on the internet. She started her own LLC in April 2019 and bought a house in Florida in 2019. Again found it in an article on the internet. LaLa said they were in the middle of the divorce at some point.

I was trying to verify something posted in comments. Way way back in the beginning of the comments someone said they thought VK was living in the house in one upstairs apartment and LaLa in another and MB had moved into the barn with his girlfriend. I never saw a comment that she returned from Florida with them in the summer of 2019 so I guess by then things were winding down. Not sure how New Jersey handles divorce and separately separating assets out of LLCs. Don’t think they would proceed on separate timelines.

If he was trying to lean on the young girlfriend to “handle” things but she didn’t have a status yet and certainly not the status of wife, very successful top level trainer who can also bring on young horses with years of experience and full business partner who ran the business (the whole package), that could really set up a situation for friction even if everyone had good intentions.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@hut-ho78

@Inigo-montoya

No….we disagree. LK does not start posts. She responds to character assassination and then is blamed for being nasty. She’s in a lose/lose situation.
But what anyone reading these posts does see clearly is that there were just a few LK supporters here at one time….but now they’ve become an army unafraid of the abuse thrown on them from Mean Girls Inc.
It may be a cliche……but good is clearly winning out over evil here……and that’s bad news for you.

Agree. I’ve never seen LaLa start an argument, just jump in when the LaLa bashing went on too long. She jumps in pretty hard but can’t blame her. She also fights pretty fair, mainly just calling out actions and untruths. The PMs came long after amateur self proclaimed psychiatrists and people saying they are smarter than licensed lawyers and arguing with same making all kinds of claims and diagnoses.

Also, no one went to bed, they just started another topic called “Sidebar, Your Honor” that continues the same old stew.

I think MB made a series of unfortunate decisions and ruined his own life and nearly destroyed two others. From all accounts MB and VKB were quite the power couple and he had a very good life with her. Then somehow she was replaced with a young girlfriend who was then engaged to someone else within a year of MB’s arrest. Not a good trade for MB.

Without VKB to keep everything running smoothly in the background so he could be a star, something he acknowledged publicly for years, making a point of how she enabled him to train horses and give clinics by handling everything else, all the frustration of running a facility with young horses, trained horses, boarders, staff, maintenance, a freeze, etc. just seemed more than he could handle on his own. Instead of being able to rely on the new girlfriend and the person pinch hitting as barn manager, it seems like they just helped him make the worst decisions of his life. Didn’t keep it together long without VKB.

That LaLa is a fighter and survived and her boyfriend tackled a larger though older man with a gun he was firing saved MB from the worst possible result of the very worst decision.

I can’t imagine all the stress everyone is under with the trial coming up and knowing it has to be relived on the stand. The lawsuit against LE that was dismissed was chilling. No responsibility. No remorse. Just chilling.

It’s all so sad. It is good to see VKB, VK now, moving on with her life and teaching clinics and LaLa working hard and riding well. That must be physically very painful after two 9mm in the chest but the last ride by LaLa posted by RG looks awesome.

I guess people blame victims to convince themselves they are safe from the same horrible crime. People say it’s where someone is or what they were wearing so they can feel safe by not wearing that short skirt or being in that bar or getting in the car with that particular date. I guess it applies to this too, especially if it’s someone who speaks without filters. Then the victim is said to be way out there because if one can get shot just for being mouthy and upset then that hits too close to home.

I think there are a lot of people supporting LaLa. To comment though, seems to set off new rounds of other comments trying to justify positions and prior comments that are unjustifiable. Not sure it is helpful. Maybe so. Can’t imagine what it was like to come out of medically induced coma and read the social media.

Re bolded: I also think that there are — or may be — a lot of people supporting LLPR, but afraid to post, or afraid to state their opinion on the “unjustifiable comments” about her for fear of being attacked themselves.
When IM talked about a “changing tide” I think he was referring to a new dynamic within the thread in which silent LLPR supporters, or people who are not partisan supporters, but simply object to the “unjustifiable comments”, are starting to come out of the woodwork to express legitimate opinions they had been suppressing for fear of being attacked.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@CanteringCarrot

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Also, no one went to bed, they just started another topic called “Sidebar, Your Honor” that continues the same old stew.

Uh, that “Sidebar” started way, way before last night.

Nope. Last night. It’s verifiable as 1st post is marked 1d. I noticed it when it had 4 posts.

I don’t know, the 1d is sort of vague since I saw it there yesterday before the evening, which would be my time zone in Europe, but still, it was there a bit earlier than last night (US time). There are posts from 23 hours ago. So perhaps it was a bit earlier than the evening when it was created.

It was there all day yesterday.

All these threads involve endless speculation on things that have not been verified one or the other.

But in this one particular case, it’s easy enough to verify that thread was there all day yesterday. I just took this screenshot at 10:26 AM Eastern today, showing that the 30th post on that thread happened 19 hours ago. Ergo, the thread was indeed there all day yesterday, not started last night.

And it was very polite and on point until a few of the usual suspects discovered it and started their typical muck raking diversions.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@Inigo-montoya

So my question for you is why aren’t you part of the changing tide. Do you condone attempted murder? Do you seriously believe there was anything about self defense in this case?
It’s time you begin to accept that this is simply a man with a violent erratic temper who was given access to a handgun. Simple as that. Was he mad at LK? Probably. Was he upset CPS came asking questions? Maybe . But you can’t go out and try to murder people because you’re angry. Do you agree?
You seem to be one of the more vocal supporters of the Barisone crowd. Why?
I do give you credit for calling out people who attempted to berate LK’s mom after her message of peace and kindness.
But unless you’re a member of the family of MB or MH I’d ask you to take a fresh look at what had to have happened snd think things over.
The audios are irrelevant, the building inspector is irrelevant……this was simply an angry man with a gun and a horrible temper who was under pressure from his significant other to show LK who is the bigger bully.
Join the tide of good vs evil. It’s the right thing to do.

This actually sounds like a political ad. Are we to assume LK is the “good” and MB is the “evil”. I guess it truly does depend on the perspective. Aside from the horrible shooting, which obviously still has unanswered questions for the court to sort out, MB was never evil and did quite a bit of good. How about LK? Her past behavior seems to leave a wake of unpleasantness and still does. Perhaps it is just a situation where two really nasty people found each other and went at it.

And for the umpteenth time, this isn’t the MB fan club or the Mean Girls Club. This really isn’t middle school although it seems like a middle school juvenile sleepover some nights slinging insults and giggling.

So much for Kirby’s “message of peace and love”.

I did not interpret good and evil as being “LK = good” and “MB=evil”. I interpreted “evil” as being gratuitous, insulting, possibly libelous comments addressed to anyone — LK, MB, other posters.

The closest I have come to meeting MB is watching the Colbert clips. I was incredibly impressed with MBs performance playing the straight man. To have the confidence to be part of the comedy routine without losing your dignity is admirable. I hope he gets the strongest possible defense and a just outcome. I also have a lot of empathy for him and feel sorry for him for his ruined life. It doesn’t make me “anti-MB” to disapprove, strongly, of the way his victim has been treated in these threads.

[BrendaJane]

@CurrentlyHorseless

starting to come out of the woodwork to express legitimate opinions they had been suppressing for fear of being attacked.

like being told they ought to get hobbled, Misery style?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I did not interpret good and evil as being “LK = good” and “MB=evil”. I interpreted “evil” as being gratuitous, insulting, possibly libelous comments addressed to anyone — LK, MB, other posters.

This is almost comical. Most of the posters here do not comprehend LK has posted attack posts on FB and other media for YEARS out of the blue. I guess that is okay for some of you. She did everything she could to ruin a young trainer who gave her a lunge lesson on a school pony that went south. She attacked another trainer personally with her local BFF’s laughing and bodyshaming saying said trainer couldn’t hide behind a bus or 747. (SS found it appalling btw.) Include her attacks on GJ, attacks that IM disregards, and you see a pattern of behavior. As the cherry on top add all the messages sent to total strangers in this board threatening them. She said I had called her to tell her some woman had killed her husband, and that I got a bunch of people fired (all blatantly untrue). These are just a smidgen of examples of LK’s disrespect over time.

[Edit] I’ll repeat again, had LK never posted her first attack posts on these threads, the entire Barisone incident would be old news. Readers flock here to read the rambling, sometimes incoherent posts of whatever she likes to conjure up in the middle of the night and scratch their heads in wonder.

I can understand (somewhat) her parent’s undying support…they are used to her behavior and find nothing wrong with it apparently. But the rest of you should consider how you would react being on the receiving end of her unprovoked vicious media posts.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BrendaJane

@CurrentlyHorseless

starting to come out of the woodwork to express legitimate opinions they had been suppressing for fear of being attacked.

like being told they ought to get hobbled, Misery style?

I did not understand that at all, Brenda.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

I did not interpret good and evil as being “LK = good” and “MB=evil”. I interpreted “evil” as being gratuitous, insulting, possibly libelous comments addressed to anyone — LK, MB, other posters.

This is almost comical. Most of the posters here do not comprehend LK has posted attack posts on FB and other media for YEARS out of the blue. I guess that is okay for some of you. She did everything she could to ruin a young trainer who gave her a lunge lesson on a school pony that went south. She attacked another trainer personally with her local BFF’s laughing and bodyshaming saying said trainer couldn’t hide behind a bus or 747. (SS found it appalling btw.) Include her attacks on GJ, attacks that IM disregards, and you see a pattern of behavior. As the cherry on top add all the messages sent to total strangers in this board threatening them. She said I had called her to tell her some woman had killed her husband, and that I got a bunch of people fired (all blatantly untrue). These are just a smidgen of examples of LK’s disrespect over time.

So, sometimes one gets payback for the ugliness they have done in the past…definitely not saying anyone deserves to be shot. I’ll repeat again, had LK never posted her first attack posts on these threads, the entire Barisone incident would be old news. Readers flock here to read the rambling, sometimes incoherent posts of whatever she likes to conjure up in the middle of the night and scratch their heads in wonder.

I can understand (somewhat) her parent’s undying support…they are used to her behavior and find nothing wrong with it apparently. But the rest of you should consider how you would react being on the receiving end of her unprovoked vicious media posts.

Thanks, Eggbutt. That’s an excellent recap of the “gratuitous, insulting, possibly libelous comments” that I, along with IM, Equkelly, and some others starting to come out of the woodwork, object to.

If the moderators find those comments fall within the forum rules, I absolutely acknowledge the right of the moderators to exercise their judgement and discretion in providing the moderation.

As others have said, it’s a tad ridiculous to say LK is responsible for starting or fueling this mess when it was well underway when she woke up from a medically induced coma. Hell of a way to communicate “Get well” to a gunshot victim.

[Mersidoats]

@eggbutt

She did everything she could to ruin a young trainer who gave her a lunge lesson on a school pony that went south. She attacked another trainer personally with her local BFF’s laughing and bodyshaming saying said trainer couldn’t hide behind a bus or 747. (SS found it appalling btw.) Include her attacks on GJ, attacks that IM disregards, and you see a pattern of behavior. As the cherry on top add all the messages sent to total strangers in this board threatening them. She said I had called her to tell her some woman had killed her husband, and that I got a bunch of people fired (all blatantly untrue). These are just a smidgen of examples of LK’s disrespect over time.

So she was reported to SS for bullying? Was any action taken?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Einhorn

She probably only admitted her role because the charges were lessened to no jail time. If the state had to try her as well, they might not get testimony about how the gun ended up at the altercation. For some it’s clear without RCs testimony how the gun got there, but it may not look very clear at trial of no one can support how it got too the shooting. The police description was that the gun was under MB. But that MB was also injured and RC was on him. So did RC save LK or did MB?

Yes, I understand what the prosecution’s case is, but there is a gap here that can be exploited by a good defense attorney, that’s why the state needed to cut a deal with RC.

I think you’re confusing RC with RG.

RG was on MB.

[Einhorn]

I think you’re right, I’ll change that, thanks! Too many initials!