Barisone Criminal Case Update

[3PonyFarm]

In a criminal trial, does the prosecution separate the evidence for the two counts of attempted murder or is it lumped together? In other words, can the jury accept one count and not the other or is it an all or nothing for the charges?

[trubandloki]

It is sad to me that someone writing an article like this is not capable of tagging their included photos accurately. How is anyone to believe what is written when something so basic as identifying one of the victims is done incorrectly?

@3PonyFarm, that is a good question about the separation of charges. Hopefully someone in the know can answer it.

@Scribbler

Basically her charges are effectively dismissed

This confuses me (RC’s gun charges is where this quote is from) because in the other threads we were told that the gun laws in NJ do not allow for any option but jail time.

@La-LaPopRider

I will never believe the shooting by some Olympic alternate in dressage, has escaped your knowledge for 2.5 yrs.

I know it is hard to believe but I personally know more than one active horse person who had never heard of this case until like a month ago when at a gathering someone brought it up.
Lots of horse people are just too busy to pay attention to stuff like this.
Edit to add to this thought - These same horse people are very active in other areas of horses. They still have no real idea who MB is. The horse world is diverse, lots of people doing lots of things means there are many people who don’t now what is going on in the dressage world.

@3PonyFarm

I’m an optimist! Really I believe a large majority want to read about or discuss the case and a smaller group want to get the threads closed or bash each other.

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

[FitzE]

@3PonyFarm

It will be interesting if the recordings are admitted and what they contain. I think the validation process they used for the recordings will be important to authenticate them.

Question for legal professionals with experience with this issue: no matter what the tapes contain, what is the path to getting them admissible? How does the prosecution get past the exclusionary rule?

The only path I can think of would be to argue that there was no expectation of privacy where the recording devices were installed. However, given that they were on a private property that was not open to the public and not owned or managed by the person who installed the devices, that seems like an uphill climb.

Does anyone else with specific knowledge or relevant experience see a way to get around the fruit of the poisonous tree issue regarding the various recordings?

[Jealoushe]

@LexInVA

Michael Barisone is clearly a menace to society and must be incarcerated for the rest of his life!

He literally shot someone and tried to kill them. And you think this sarcastic post is something you want to put out there as how you view this?

Yikes. Not a good look.

[Jealoushe]

@Scribbler

I really doubt there was any plot here

The jury might see it otherwise when the guy is asking for and obtaining a gun days before the shooting happens.

[3PonyFarm]

I am very curious about this. Since this is a place of business but may not necessarily be open to anyone off the street to walk in, does this change anything?

[Jealoushe]

@eggbutt

As far as LK, there was discussion in the last thread of a cell video she posted on SM of some people walking around a store. I wouldn’t share that either. So, I may be missing your point.

You need help, for real.

[Jealoushe]

@Scribbler

But the charge has basically been dismissed against RC. So clearly no-one in the court system thinks she has culpability in the actual shooting.

Not true. She accepted a deal so they wouldn’t prosecute. Not the same thing at all as them not thinking they could get her. Clearly, they have enough to charge and convict her or she wouldn’t have agreed to the deal. Very common in criminal trials. Many bad bad people get off scott free by agreeing to testify.

You guys will literally twist every single detail to fit what you HOPE is true. It’s boring

[Jealoushe]

@DownYonder

With every post, she reveals who - and what - she truly is. What a piece of work.

I know, EB should be banned from these threads already.

[Jealoushe]

@Angela_Freda

So if he’s some kind of dastardly murderous bad guy… it seems he hid it well.

This is a bad argument. Do you have any idea how many serial killers and rapists have friends and families who say the same thing?

“oh he was such a nice guy” “he would have never” “there were no signs”

Again, keep making up whatever imaginary things you have to so you can convince yourself that this Dressage god to some of you couldn’t possible, maybe, be a bad person who can’t control himself.

[Angela_Freda]

@DownYonder

Chiming in to say that the toxic nastiness continually displayed by a “certain someone” in this thread and others only serves to reinforce the notion put forth by others that the “certain someone” is a narcissistic bully incapable of normal relationships with anyone who doesn’t kiss her a**.

With every post, she reveals who - and what - she truly is. What a piece of work.

Its certainly not very smart to keep doing.
Anyone literally involved in the case, who cares about getting to the bottom of it, should really leave it alone until they hit the courtroom.
I’m shocked anyone who is involved, and/or being advised by lawyers or with knowledge of the law or the judicial system, would continue.

[FitzE]

Yes, I’m not sure. That’s why I hope someone like vxf111 will weigh in. While it is a place of business, it is not, in the traditional sense, a public place. People cannot come on the property as one is able to enter a shopping area or store. Given the nature of stables, I imagine that it’s access by invitation since the owner cannot have people wandering around for the safety of the horses and the people.

So, if I pop into a shop and have a poke around, the owner cannot exclude me from that space as long as I’m acting normally and not loitering. However, if random members of the public pops into a boarding facility (and it’s worth noting it’s hard to do so; one would have to find one and purposely go there and, in this case, drive up a very long drive) the BO/BM can ask then to leave promptly. Only people who have some right to be on site can be (owners, boarders, scheduled professionals like farriers and vets, staff) and others can be excluded.

I imagine there is a different analysis for places like this as opposed to places we would all understand as public in which we have no right to expect privacy (e.g., being recorded at the local shopping mall).

[Jealoushe]

@Angela_Freda

I’m shocked anyone who is involved, and/or being advised by lawyers or with knowledge of the law or the judicial system, would continue.

Once again proving you guys have no idea how PTSD, trauma, and being a victim of a crime like this effects you. ZERO.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

This is a bad argument. Do you have any idea how many serial killers and rapists have friends and families who say the same thing?

“oh he was such a nice guy” “he would have never” “there were no signs”

Again, keep making up whatever imaginary things you have to so you can convince yourself that this Dressage god to some of you couldn’t possible, maybe, be a bad person who can’t control himself.

Lol
Now he’s a God in your mind?
Hey, to each his own.

[Jealoushe]

“to some of you”

Thanks for proving your imagination runs wild

[Angela_Freda]

Certainly it could be ptsd, or it could just be their nature.

[3PonyFarm]

Would they be considered hearsay since it would be what someone said but not in person?

[eggbutt]

It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Someone seems to have called in reinforcements to bash others. So be it. Yet, we are the ones who should be banned. Mkay.

Again, I can only imagine what anyone expects RC to testify to. Perhaps her testimony will be more about MHG than MB (remember IM insisted all would come out about MHG and she would be destroyed). Such hateful people who are so blind to their own behavior.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@La-LaPopRider

@eggbutt

If I’m not mistaken that letter was written many months after his arm was broken. I don’t think anyone has implied he is now disabled.

You didn’t even know about the letter until I mentioned it on the BB. How many people did you have to call to pretend verify that I was NOT making this up, so someone- anyone- might share a copy with you? 100? IIRC …… and I DO- you told me you “highly doubted,” such letter exists…. And if it did, you further doubted it would be shared with me.

Well- take this in. It was shared with ME before it ever shared with you. Why? Bc…… YOU are a nobody in this. A nobody. Even the CBS people are sick of you! I could tell you some stories…… but I’d rather wait. You know nothing. Yet, you are here morning and night spewing bs all day - everyday. Lady……. SEEK HELP!

QFP

[MadTrotter]

Yes, I mean I obviously knew Michael Barisone had been arrested but until I started reading COTH again, I had NO idea that people so close to the case were continuously posting here, and I certainly haven’t been able to follow all of the legal facets of each new development. I tried to go back through the archives to catch up but the threads run into the 1000s and a lot of it is petty sniping and just general insanity. Given that I’m trying to follow the Jan 6 developments, and run my farm and raise my kid, I only have so much mental real estate!!