Barisone Jury Deliberation

[erinmeri]

@KarenK

This doesn’t even seem like the kind of case 48 Hours would be interested in.

Agree, but they are apparently in pre-production/production,

[Fat_Dinah]

I suspect the presence of the 48 Hours crew may have prompted the jurors’ concerns about them being recorded and perhaps that finding its way into the TV show.
I think the jury is going to reach a verdict. They have not indicated to the judge there is a deadlock.
Maybe after watch ing the testimony, they have debated the insanity issue. Some jurors might want “to sleep on it” before a final decisi on.

[jellybean2]

I’m hoping we find out tomorrow!

[IPEsq]

@Rel6

Not necessarily. If they find him guilty of a lesser included, they can’t retry on the the attempted murder because of double jeopardy. And there is no possibility where they find him not guilty on the lesser included offenses, but are hung on the attempted murder.

So I think in the case where there is a unanimous guilty verdict for a lesser included charge, but the jury can’t reach a consensus on the attempted murder charge - the judge either makes them deliberate longer, or declares a mistrial. Not 100% sure though.

According to the jury instructions they must first decide the attempted murder charge. If they reach a NG verdict there, then they can move on to the lesser charge. If they think guilty on the lesser charge, they are then allowed to consider the insanity defense on that charge as well. If they hang on attempted murder, they cannot decide the lesser charge. I think you go straight to mistrial.

[KarenK]

@MHM

they must have some interest.

It will be interesting to see for sure

[erinmeri]

@joliemom_again

Lord, I hope I never have to stare at the State of NJ emblem ever, ever again.

But, wait! It features a (badly illustrated) horse! Why WOULDN’T you want to stare at that?

[SillyHorse]

@erinmeri

@joliemom_again

Lord, I hope I never have to stare at the State of NJ emblem ever, ever again.

But, wait! It features a (badly illustrated) horse! Why WOULDN’T you want to stare at that?

[erinmeri]

OMG. That’s amazing.

ETA: Apple/Siri hate me and I have big thumbs. Typos.

[Sdel]

At this point, I think they hang, or go NGI on at least one charge as a compromise. If they were going to go guilty they wouldn’t have bothered to watch Simring’s testimony again.

[Sugarfoot1]

2 days means issues, fighting maybe even, so we shall see but this is how not guilty verdicts happen, praying for that

[Angela_Freda]

@Rowdy

There was no reason for her to also give him the ammunition. As for the other guns, I believe that Det. Stitt testified about the guns on the property. I’m not going to go back and look it up and I doubt you will either. Suffice it to say that I was left with the impression that the only gun that had ammunition was the Ruger. Admittedly, I may be wrong. There was a lot of testimony and I haven’t watched all of the videos. Regardless, Dr. Ruth is past her prime.

you must be new here.

[Danvers]

May I recommend an evacuation of Morris township on the day of the verdict -

[erinmeri]

Depends on what discipline. Start a new thread in the related channels. I am also close to this county and can provide recommendations for Hunter/Jumper, but not Dressage.

[eggbutt]

@Ambitious_Kate

@MHM

@trubandloki

And that makes me wonder, who is taking care of the horses, those same horses that they were not able to not leave in the care of anyone else.

Well, unless they had the horses parked outside the courthouse in a trailer last week, they must have figured out somebody trustworthy enough to care for them.

I thought his assistant trainer - is that JH? is running his farm down in FLA. I would presume they are well looked after.

JH certainly wouldn’t be taking care of Lauren’s horses at MB’s farm!

I would think the people at Paradigm are taking care of her horses while she is away (unless they packed them up and moved them somewhere else!).

[erinmeri]

@EADoug

The World’s Shortest Flounce ™, a delicate and flighty little grey

You forgot “opinionated”.

[eggbutt]

@MHM

@KarenK

@MHM

does that mean that the 48 Hours episode will be on hold?

This doesn’t even seem like the kind of case 48 Hours would be interested in.

Well, the 48 Hours crew has been there for the whole trial, so they must have some interest.

48 Hours has been working on this since last fall. They must have quite a bit of $$ already invested so far.

[Sticky_Situation]

I think 48 hours is going for the “Can you believe these crazy out of touch rich people spend 6-7 figures on horses and thousands every month on their upkeep, yet still have interpersonal drama to rival the sketchiest of trailer parks?” angle to sell it to the general public.

Ironically, aside from the Olympics I think the last time dressage got attention in the mainstream media was when it was used as evidence that Ann Romney was an out of touch spoiled rich lady, which of course led to MB’s first big TV appearance.

[Laurierace]

I still say if this was a movie no one would like it because it isn’t the slightest bit believable. Truth stranger than fiction and all that I guess. That said, I don’t watch it often but I don’t remember 48 hours ever wrapping the show up with a bow at the end. I am always wondering if the person did or didn’t do whatever the show was about.

[erinmeri]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Another rule of thumb I read somewhere. Take the number of days a trial lasted. Then… if a jury is out longer than that number of hours? It is more likely going to result in a hung jury.

So… this was an 11 day trial.

They deliberated an hour on day 1. Maybe 7 hours on day 2. They listened to 2 hours of Simring testimony today. And deliberated another 4 or 5 hours.

INAL and this a Google result, but… https://www.insider.com/experts-say-dont-anticipate-verdict-based-on-jury-deliberation-length-2021-12

[KBC]

@Rowdy

!2 Angry Men seems a fitting choice during jury deliberation. If you’ve never seen it, you should hunt it down. It’s a classic.

Glad someone mentioned it, a classic for sure!