Barisone Jury Deliberation

[Knights_Mom]

@frugalannie

Random question: Does anyone know how much jurors are paid in NJ?

Edited to add this: If the jurors aren’t reconvened until next Wednesday, not having notes would be a real issue I would think. Would it be a basis for an appeal?

$5 a day.

I googled and posted a few days ago.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@RegentLion

She clearly had no idea how deep his delusions ran, and they probably seemed somewhat reasonable based on LK/RG’s history of behavior.

Yes, I’m sure it was hard to tell how deep it ran, since it seems like everywhere they turned the basis of the delusions kept getting proven to be actually happening. And everyone testified to being terrified.

That was Dr Schlesinger’s point.

Yes…and it completely missed Dr. Simring and Hasson’s points.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@RegentLion

I feel that it was pretty obvious throughout her time on the stand that her story was inconsistent.

I was distracted so I don’t know how clear that was to the jury, or if it was blatant perjury, but her testimony was unclear and confusing.

Her story was inconsistent with what?

I find imperfect recall and slight inconsistencies (like exactly when she was in the porch vs patio) understandable given the trauma and the coma. It’s not perjury.

MB could perfectly well have testified. He could have said “I don’t remember” to the parts on Aug 7 and testified on the entire run up.

Why didn’t he chose to testify? It would have helped establish his state of mind.

Perhaps he did not want to face having to tell the truth or commit perjury?

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

They paid $5000 for a sweep and no one testified that they found any illegal ones.

Dr. Simring testified that they did find bugs. They played his testimony again yesterday for the jury if you missed it the first time.

[hut-ho78]

@Maude

Is this Day 14? I’ve lost track. Typically, when the jury is out this long it is either hung or rules in the defendant’s favor.

Yes

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

So everyone who had their memory refreshed was lying? Who is left then? The character witnesses? Your view impeaches all the mental health experts, all the lawyer friends, MHG, some LE and medical staff, RG, and LK.

Not very many of the other witnesses had to have their memory refreshed about threatening FB posts or about their ability access his office to forge signatures, mess with contracts, or “anything else they might need to do”……after being asked if she had ever threatened him on FB or could access his office….

Having to have your memory refreshed is not perjury.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Really? The whole discussion of The World’s Shortest Flounce TM wasn’t mockery?

I did belatedly wonder if Rowdy got his/her nose out of joint over that. But then I remembered it was in reaction to him/her calling us all cockroaches and stupid so I figured someone who slings around that kind of name calling and now accusing a very nice, civil poster (@trubandloki) of wishing LK had actually been murdered, I figured there’s no way someone capable of that behaviour would see that as mockery. I mean, I didn’t even insult him/her directly, belittle his/her intelligence, disparage his/her profession/professional competence.

I figured someone who posts as s/he posts could not possibly have gotten their knickers twisted about being rightfully called out for doing a scorched earth flounce only to return a very short time later. Again, calling people on their nonsense/drama is not mean.

Oh, it’s a “scorched earth flounce” now?

And you were “rightfully calling her out” on it?

In my view, her posts have merely been “calling people out on their nonsense/drama”, which you characterize as “not mean”.

Her posts have been lies.

Lies to protect her other lies. Lies were also used in an attempt to bully, harass and threaten other here. Lies on the stand.

She admitted that she lies. And trying to deny that and protect those lies and then impugn that the blame for those lies is us is both laughable and disgusting.

[jaj]

I think it’ll be one of those incredible Hulk moments that starts with a min pin, some drama, some music, and bam, Doberman.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Having to have your memory refreshed is not perjury.

Didn’t say it was….but it was definitely impeachment….as so, her testimony should be considered worthless by the jury.

[jellybean2]

The jury is going to be even more mind blown if they google all of the happenings from the last 2.5 years when the trial is over.

The biggest issue to me is that there is remarkably no video of the actual incident. How convenient (for some).

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@RegentLion

She clearly had no idea how deep his delusions ran, and they probably seemed somewhat reasonable based on LK/RG’s history of behavior.

Yes, I’m sure it was hard to tell how deep it ran, since it seems like everywhere they turned the basis of the delusions kept getting proven to be actually happening. And everyone testified to being terrified.

That was Dr Schlesinger’s point.

Yes…and it completely missed Dr. Simring and Hasson’s points.

Annihilated Dr Hasson’s points. The prosecutor had Dr Simring’s report for lunch. Examples. Two dog bites to the eye instead of thigh. Used at least one FB message for diagnosis of MB’s mental state received after the shooting. Gun belonged to MHG, not RC.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Really? The whole discussion of The World’s Shortest Flounce TM wasn’t mockery?

I did belatedly wonder if Rowdy got his/her nose out of joint over that. But then I remembered it was in reaction to him/her calling us all cockroaches and stupid so I figured someone who slings around that kind of name calling and now accusing a very nice, civil poster (@trubandloki) of wishing LK had actually been murdered, I figured there’s no way someone capable of that behaviour would see that as mockery. I mean, I didn’t even insult him/her directly, belittle his/her intelligence, disparage his/her profession/professional competence.

I figured someone who posts as s/he posts could not possibly have gotten their knickers twisted about being rightfully called out for doing a scorched earth flounce only to return a very short time later. Again, calling people on their nonsense/drama is not mean.

Oh, it’s a “scorched earth flounce” now?

And you were “rightfully calling her out” on it?

In my view, her posts have merely been “calling people out on their nonsense/drama”, which you characterize as “not mean”.

Her posts have been lies.

Lies to protect her other lies. Lies were also used in an attempt to bully, harass and threaten other here. Lies on the stand.

She admitted that she lies. And trying to deny that and protect those lies and then impugn that the blame for those lies is us is both laughable and disgusting.

@Knights_Mom

In this exchange, when we say “her” @FitzE and I are referring to @Rowdy, not LK.

Was Rowdy lying on the stand? Was Rowdy on the stand at all?

[rothmpp]

@frugalannie

Edited to add this: If the jurors aren’t reconvened until next Wednesday, not having notes would be a real issue I would think. Would it be a basis for an appeal?

I don’t know the answer to the basis for appeal question - but - I found it interesting that now the judge is not available on Mon-Tues next week. Taylor made a big deal during the pre-trial conference that was aired about the problems of seating a jury if the potential jurors knew that it could go for 4 weeks, and running into planned vacations for the jurors around Easter.

How much testimony might they need to re-watch if they reconvene 6 days from now?

[MHM]

@rothmpp

How much testimony might they need to re-watch if they reconvene 6 days from now?

Oh, boy.

Probably a lot. It would be like holding a good chunk of the trial all over again.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

They paid $5000 for a sweep and no one testified that they found any illegal ones.

Dr. Simring testified that they did find bugs. They played his testimony again yesterday for the jury if you missed it the first time.

No one said where. No one testified to bugs in the office or lounge. No one testified to illegal listening devices.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

So everyone who had their memory refreshed was lying? Who is left then? The character witnesses? Your view impeaches all the mental health experts, all the lawyer friends, MHG, some LE and medical staff, RG, and LK.

Not very many of the other witnesses had to have their memory refreshed about threatening FB posts or about their ability access his office to forge signatures, mess with contracts, or “anything else they might need to do”……after being asked if she had ever threatened him on FB or could access his office….

Having to have your memory refreshed is not perjury.

Exactly! Thank you!

[MHM]

[Sparrowette]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

They paid $5000 for a sweep and no one testified that they found any illegal ones.

Dr. Simring testified that they did find bugs. They played his testimony again yesterday for the jury if you missed it the first time.

Did they testify when the sweep was done? If so, was it after the shooting event? I thought I heard in testimony that they did not find any in the office, so did RG have access to the office while LK was in the hospital? If so, would he have had access to remove any “alleged” office bugs?

I’ve tried to follow the trial, but have too many things in my life to do in a day. Just trying to keep up with the trial threads is a chore. Sorry if these have been asked already.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

Annihilated Dr Hasson’s points. The prosecutor had Dr Simring’s report for lunch. Examples. Two dog bites to the eye instead of thigh. Used at least one FB message for diagnosis of MB’s mental state received after the shooting. Gun belonged to MHG, not RC.

Oh to live in such denial of reality. You do realize that even the incredibly biased talking heads have thought Dr. Simring was treated with kid gloves by the prosecution, right? One even said they prosecution should have waived charges based on his assessment since they use him as a witness.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Having to have your memory refreshed is not perjury.

Didn’t say it was….but it was definitely impeachment….as so, her testimony should be considered worthless by the jury.

Again, lawyer friends, all mental health professionals, MHG, some LE and health professionals, RC, RG, and LK are all impeached by your view.