Barisone Jury Deliberation

[Graymaresrule]

With my 52 year old Biology degree I asked my daughter who got a PhD in Chem in 2007 and works in a tox lab If a person using suboxone would not be eligible for a job based on a drug test.

She said no.

The tests for opiates, suboxone, meth etc are individual and separate and actually based on antibodies. If someone DOES claim they were denied a job based on a false positive they could ask for a mass spec test which will confirm or deny the claim.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I guess I misunderstood your point; perhaps you were not trying to claim she had committed perjury and were simply saying you found her testimony less than forthright.

I still find the fact that she did not conscious design her testimony to fit exactly the prosecution’s narrative or even RGs narrative to be an act of honesty rather than self motivated expediency.

It was far less than forthright. And it was not an act of honesty… LK has shown us repeatedly that self-motivated expediency (your words) is her forte. Truth can be an inconvenience. When someone shows you what they are… over and over again… believe them.

Maybe JH was making her say the wrong things… or posting on SM and pretending to be her… just to make her look bad. Yeah, that’s it.

JH probably even said…

Finish.
The.
Bastard.

[wsmoak]

Alllll day we stare at the NJ state seal. Then occasionally we get to see what the lady reporter is wearing today! (Pretty sure she does not belong on this channel, she’s outside in Fairfax VA where the Amber Heard / Johnny Depp trial is happening.)

[Fat_Dinah]

Why are people arguing about perjury?
By asking about testimon y related to insanity defense, the jury has found the evidence compelling (and believeable) on at least one charge. They found the state made its case, which would have to include testimony by its witnesses.
My puzzle is whether it is attempted murder or aggravated assault because if you have found diminished capacity, for assault, does that mean you can also find insanity?

[Rel6]

Found it! In case anyone else missed it too -

Attempted murder of LK. Attempted murder of RG.
Aggravated assault of LK. (This is the lesser included).

2 firearm charges.

[ekat]

The lessers were 2 counts of Aggravated Assault, one for LK, one RG.

[MHM]

@ekat

Walked over to him and said, how do you plan to make things better, started to ask about Rob’s bill

Asked about Rob’s bill?!? What bill?

The bill that RG said under oath on the stand that he had never given to MB, per LK’s instructions?

[Rel6]

Oh interesting, thanks for clarifying.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

Really? Stupid cockroaches is calling people out on drama? That’s scorched earth lashing out at an entire group of people.

Or were you brought up that that’s how you call people out on their nonsense. We don’t do it that way where I’m from.

I know, I know

I’ll let it go. I know they are just having a go at me for sport and I shouldn’t rise to the bait.

LOL. In other threads, I was terrified at the way you came at @Erinmeri, @RND, and later at me.

You’ve been very admirably civil in this thread, but I don’t think it’s because viciousness is just not how you do it “where you’re from”, or because of “how you were raised.”

Terrified??? Of @FitzE???

WOW!!! Has she threatened you like many of us here have been threatened by LK???

I bet not!!!

Yes. I was first shocked by how she attacked @erinmeri in a thread months ago. I was viciously attacked by FitzE in one of the December threads, and withdrew to watch from the sidelines as she then attacked @RND. I flagged the attacking posts for the mods at the time, so I’m not sure whether they’re still there.

As I recall I was attacked by both FitzE and DreadPirateRoberts. I also recall that DreadPirate Roberts claimed to not be an alter for anyone participating in the threads.

She has never PMed me, but if she did, I would not respond.

She has been extremely civil in this thread; I’m just pointing out that the extreme civility is rather recently acquired.

[ekat]

@MHM

Asked about Rob’s bill?!? What bill?

The bill that RG said under oath on the stand that he had never given to MB, per LK’s instructions?
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Correct.

[DownYonder]

@MHM

Attempted assault, I believe.

I thought it was Aggravated Assault.

Also, wasn’t there was a discussion to the effect of “there is no such thing as Attempted Assault”? As in, you are either assaulted or not.

[ekat]

In NJ, the statute that covers Agg Assault includes “attempted to” language.

[SlamDunk]

I agree, but maybe they’re just a really slow methodical jury?

[MHM]

@wsmoak

Alllll day we stare at the NJ state seal.

I can’t even imagine how it feels for MB and his attorneys.

[EADoug]

For those of you joining this afternoon. Prediction poll at about post 495

[Fat_Dinah]

I think of it this way:
The jury is asked, do you find the state has proven attempted murder? Yes, then consider the not guilty by insanity.
If the jury says no to proving attempted murder, the question is, has the state proved assault? Yes, then consider the insanity question.
The weapons charges don’t come into play until the jury decide s there was an unlawful purpose, either murder or assault. Like dominoes.

[trubandloki]

@ScaredOfHorses

I just can’t imagine they are not deadlocked since there were so few exhibits in this case. However, if that was the case, it seems like they would have told the judge by now.

Maybe Bob is right, they like the food.

@CurrentlyHorseless

She has never PMed me, but if she did, I would not respond.

She has been extremely civil in this thread; I’m just pointing out that the extreme civility is rather recently acquired.

Pardon the confusion, lots of pronouns. Which person are you talking about in these she references?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was responding to the general situation that numerous posters write as if it is established that LK has committed perjury.

No, we post like it has been established that Bob lies, frequently. Maybe always, but for sure frequently.

LK has admitted that she lies on SM. Is that all you’re saying, that she lies on SM?

You’re not accusing her of having committed perjury?

[ohnoO]

I rewatched ST’s testimony and I did not see where he said that the de-bugging outfit found anything (as I could have sworn he did)—he only talked about his private conversations ending up on LK’s social media.*

Maybe I have the lawyer and the psychiatrist confused—both nicely dressed, grey haired men .

I would have sworn that one of the defense witnesses was handed (or had with them) a copy of the $5000 contract and said they found bugs, but didn’t read it aloud.

• they could have cut it out of the video days later, I suppose .

[Fat_Dinah]

If the jury said no to both attempted murder and aggravated assault, it would never consider not guilty by insanity.