Barisone KROL this Friday, 5/26

[CanteringCarrot]

I find the obsession with MHG interesting. Especially in respect to other parties that also have an obsession with the same individual. Eh, well, birds of a feather and all that.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MHG gave MB an ultimatum, “I’m leaving you if you don’t get rid of LK right now” (notice the word “if”; I don’t know if she gave him an ultimatum or not), and MB, in his delusional state shoots LK, that makes it the business of LK, RG, JK, KK, and the state of New Jersey.

So weird if this was the case, I wonder why Schellhorn did not ask MHG about if she gave Michael an ultimatum while she was testifying at the criminal trial. I mean, if that was the cause of all the issues, it seems like that would have been a very logical question for the prosecution to ask their own witness, don’t you think? Did Schellhorn neglect to bring up this amazing point you are trying to explain here, or was it just not a thing at all?

The cause of MBs mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

All that needed to be established was 1) did he shoot her and 2) if yes, was he insane at the time.

Lemme get this straight…

It needed to be established if he was insane at the time, but his mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

Hm. I would’ve thought that his mental breakdown would’ve had something to with and/or played into whether or not he was insane at the time.

Whether he was insane mattered.

The origin or cause of his insanity did not need to be established in order to determine he was insane at the time he shot her.

What or who caused John Hinckley’s insanity?

[SoCoPony]

Do you really want to round pen in the heat?

You arguments today are already lame on three, do you want to go for four?

[jaj]

Again, this has no place here.

[eggbutt]

What a shame to take this mess even further down the rabbit hole. BTW, I’m not sure what the honorable Adam Shiff has to do with this .

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MHG gave MB an ultimatum, “I’m leaving you if you don’t get rid of LK right now” (notice the word “if”; I don’t know if she gave him an ultimatum or not), and MB, in his delusional state shoots LK, that makes it the business of LK, RG, JK, KK, and the state of New Jersey.

So weird if this was the case, I wonder why Schellhorn did not ask MHG about if she gave Michael an ultimatum while she was testifying at the criminal trial. I mean, if that was the cause of all the issues, it seems like that would have been a very logical question for the prosecution to ask their own witness, don’t you think? Did Schellhorn neglect to bring up this amazing point you are trying to explain here, or was it just not a thing at all?

The cause of MBs mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

All that needed to be established was 1) did he shoot her and 2) if yes, was he insane at the time.

Lemme get this straight…

It needed to be established if he was insane at the time, but his mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

Hm. I would’ve thought that his mental breakdown would’ve had something to with and/or played into whether or not he was insane at the time.

Whether he was insane mattered.

The origin or cause of his insanity did not need to be established in order to determine he was insane at the time he shot her.

What or who caused John Hinckley’s insanity?

What’s your point here?

In the trial what or who caused Hinckley’s insanity was discussed. You can’t just say, “he was insane at the time” some context and back story is required. That can include the mental deterioration or state that the person was in. So the mental breakdown is of relevance.

They actually did introduce some origin and cause in the MB trial.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MHG gave MB an ultimatum, “I’m leaving you if you don’t get rid of LK right now” (notice the word “if”; I don’t know if she gave him an ultimatum or not), and MB, in his delusional state shoots LK, that makes it the business of LK, RG, JK, KK, and the state of New Jersey.

So weird if this was the case, I wonder why Schellhorn did not ask MHG about if she gave Michael an ultimatum while she was testifying at the criminal trial. I mean, if that was the cause of all the issues, it seems like that would have been a very logical question for the prosecution to ask their own witness, don’t you think? Did Schellhorn neglect to bring up this amazing point you are trying to explain here, or was it just not a thing at all?

The cause of MBs mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

All that needed to be established was 1) did he shoot her and 2) if yes, was he insane at the time.

I would bet my farm on the fact that if you are found NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY, your mental breakdown is an issue at the trial.

@CurrentlyHorseless, do you ever go back and actually read what you type? If you don’t, you might want to.

[LilRanger]

What the heck just happened? Weren’t we just discussing the police taking complaints?

Is this vk/mental status thing a way to stop that Convo?

[Sdel]

It’s an attempt at thread lock….

No thread = no discussion of LK and family’s actions. And that is what CH wants to avoid having discussed, highlighted, placed front and center.

Just like a few others who can’t take responsibility for their actions.

[iberianfan]

Just one little point: It has been said that MB had feelings/delusions/thoughts of grandiosity, and that was stated by his care team at Greystone. HOWEVER, it was pointed out in the Krol hearing that the basis for that “diagnosis” were true. He HAD the Colbert show at his farm, he HAD been on the Olympic team, he HAD book and movie offers.

So to base an assumption of his attitude at the police station, or anywhere, on that erroneous statement simply perpetuates the falsehood and the assumption is wrong. If one is going to cite sources, at least make sure those sources are accurate.

[SoCoPony]

Also to control the narrative.

[CanteringCarrot]

We on a diet of nothing burgers in here.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MHG gave MB an ultimatum, “I’m leaving you if you don’t get rid of LK right now” (notice the word “if”; I don’t know if she gave him an ultimatum or not), and MB, in his delusional state shoots LK, that makes it the business of LK, RG, JK, KK, and the state of New Jersey.

So weird if this was the case, I wonder why Schellhorn did not ask MHG about if she gave Michael an ultimatum while she was testifying at the criminal trial. I mean, if that was the cause of all the issues, it seems like that would have been a very logical question for the prosecution to ask their own witness, don’t you think? Did Schellhorn neglect to bring up this amazing point you are trying to explain here, or was it just not a thing at all?

The cause of MBs mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

All that needed to be established was 1) did he shoot her and 2) if yes, was he insane at the time.

Lemme get this straight…

It needed to be established if he was insane at the time, but his mental breakdown was not at issue in the trial.

Hm. I would’ve thought that his mental breakdown would’ve had something to with and/or played into whether or not he was insane at the time.

Whether he was insane mattered.

The origin or cause of his insanity did not need to be established in order to determine he was insane at the time he shot her.

What or who caused John Hinckley’s insanity?

What’s your point here?

In the trial what or who caused Hinckley’s insanity was discussed. You can’t just say, “he was insane at the time” some context and back story is required. That can include the mental deterioration or state that the person was in. So the mental breakdown is of relevance.

They actually did introduce some origin and cause in the MB trial.

Of course the fact of the mental breakdown needs to be established for a NGRI verdict.

I doubt that actual psychiatrists would have the hubris to claim that they can trace a person’s mental breakdown to a single, specific cause.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I doubt that actual psychiatrists would have the hubris to claim that they can trace a person’s mental breakdown to a single, specific cause.

But clearly you think you can do that, hu?

Even though you were not there.

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Of course the fact of the mental breakdown needs to be established for a NGRI verdict.

I doubt that actual psychiatrists would have the hubris to claim that they can trace a person’s mental breakdown to a single, specific cause.

Perhaps not, but they would look at any and all possible causes, no? They’d consider people and/or events that led to the person being insane (or contributed to) in an attempt to establish and enforce the claim of insanity.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LilRanger

What the heck just happened? Weren’t we just discussing the police taking complaints?

Is this vk/mental status thing a way to stop that Convo?

Someone said they remembered a video of the confrontation between MB and the police in the police station lobby, including details of whether the cops drew their guns and how distraught MB looked.

I stated that I remember no such video being posted on these threads and suggested that the “movie in the head” some people thought they remembered was based on Deininger’s dramatic account of the confrontation in the civil lawsuit.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@LilRanger

What the heck just happened? Weren’t we just discussing the police taking complaints?

Is this vk/mental status thing a way to stop that Convo?

Someone said they remembered a video of the confrontation between MB and the police in the police station lobby, including details of whether the cops drew their guns and how distraught MB looked.

I stated that I remember no such video being posted on these threads and suggested that the “movie in the head” some people thought they remembered was based on Deininger’s dramatic account of the confrontation in the civil lawsuit.

Wow, your story has changed quite a bit since it started today.

[CanteringCarrot]

CH, I know that you’re riding that LK train, but when you say something you have to back it up. You(g) cannot just say, “he was insane” so the origins and contributing factors are relevant. I did not say nor am I saying that any actual psychiatrists would have the hubris to claim that they can trace a person’s mental breakdown to a single specfic cause, but you know that.

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@LilRanger

What the heck just happened? Weren’t we just discussing the police taking complaints?

Is this vk/mental status thing a way to stop that Convo?

Someone said they remembered a video of the confrontation between MB and the police in the police station lobby, including details of whether the cops drew their guns and how distraught MB looked.

I stated that I remember no such video being posted on these threads and suggested that the “movie in the head” some people thought they remembered was based on Deininger’s dramatic account of the confrontation in the civil lawsuit.

Someone also said that the earth is flat. I don’t know who this someone is, or when/where they said that.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CanteringCarrot

@CurrentlyHorseless

Of course the fact of the mental breakdown needs to be established for a NGRI verdict.

I doubt that actual psychiatrists would have the hubris to claim that they can trace a person’s mental breakdown to a single, specific cause.

Perhaps not, but they would look at any and all possible causes, no? They’d consider people and/or events that led to the person being insane (or contributed to) in an attempt to establish and enforce the claim of insanity.

Yes, the defense might well appeal to possible contributing factors to help establish the fact of the insanity. In MBs trial, they brought up traumatic childhood issues, feelings of inadequacy, and longstanding depression.

But his having been found NGRI doesn’t establish the precise cause or source of his insanity.