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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Einhorn

Or trolling the internet for Lk posts? They aren’t supposed to, and most won’t. But I’ll bet you a few will.

I wonder if they will find these forums if they do…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Bilinkas has been using the technique of asking leading questions to get some suggestive words into the ears of the jurors even though he knows he’s going to get a sustained objection. He also paraphrases witness statements to change the meaning and then tries to get them to agree.

He’s supposed to do everything he can for his client, but I understand the judge’s need to keep him on a short leash.

The Vertetis case was Taylor and Bilinkas, but was it Schellhorn as well?

Yup. Schellhorn too.

I totally agree about technique. He has to provide his client with a robust defense. Is what it is.

But the way Taylor has gone after him this whole trial? It’s bound to create issues that Bilinkas can use to try and mount an appeal if MB is found not guilty.

If Bilinkas is constantly using those techniques (asking questions he knows will not be permitted to get it into the ears of the jurors, intentionally distorting a response and asking the witness to agree, etc), the judge needs to shut it down each time. Is the judge supposed to shut it down 10 times a day if Bilinkas uses the technique 50 times a day?

Schellhorn did not play those games, so the judge did not need to shut him down repeatedly.

Obviously Bilinkas will try to find a basis for appeal.

[MHM]

@Einhorn

@MHM

was thinking about that this morning. They have an unexpected day off today. I wonder if they are going about their regular lives, or sitting and staring off into space while they ponder what they’ve heard in the last two weeks.

Or trolling the internet for Lk posts? They aren’t supposed to, and most won’t. But I’ll bet you a few will.

They probably wouldn’t have to look too hard.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@Meshach1

When asked on the stand, didn’t she say she didn’t remember calling them? And then when Balinkas said that there were two calls to anonymous CPS tipline from her phone records, she came up with a story about how Justin had stolen her phone and could have called?

Someone testified that cps showed up prompted by SS
SS complaint was filed by LK

Going over charges… Lesser included charges
Att. Aggravated assault…

Bilinkis want s self defense as a lesser included.

The judge is stating that self defense has not been met. This was what had the Veretis trial reversed but she was in her home. In this instance since he allowed them to live there more than 30 days and they had tenant rights, it is their home as well. They were under no formal, legal order to leave. The eviction was a notice, it had not yet been filed so the clock to leave had not started. The agreement to leave was tentatively reached by the ear witness had just called LK to tell her the terms so she could agree or not agree when she was shot.

[Sdel]

@Mondo

So, I’m sure this has been asked and answered in the previous mammoth thread, but Taylor’s reason for excluding the zillions of texts and SM posts is that it is “hearsay,” right? But is it? Is it putting the victim on trial? I think it speaks 100% to the defendant’s state of mind and what drove him to the extremes he took.

Amen!

[MorganSercu]

@Angela_Freda

I was thinking about the comment by the Prosecution Expert witness… About MB feeling MHG didn’t find him attractive… Something like that…

Barisone has suffered from depression for a long time. It can settle in like a cold, greasy fog on a moonless night and you can’t see the stars. It can whisper in your ear and take the seeds of your worst fears and make them bloom.

Is there anyone here who has NEVER (not once!) worried that someone they loved didn’t love them as deeply? That their appearance wasn’t ‘good enough’? We have entire markets that are designed to install insecurities, prey upon them and then offer to ‘fix them’ - for a price. Ongoing or one-time only.

Now have a pair of vicious people (LK & RG) on your property whose only real skills lie in finding others’ weaknesses and tormenting them - and with plenty of funds and unlimited time as they don’t work - and a target they wish to destroy.

Those two (possibly three or more) live to pull the wings off of butterflies. Michael wasn’t immune.

[Jealoushe]

This is what I think too. They aren’t on trial so he doesn’t want anyone going after them. Jmo

[jaj]

It is required in New Jersey to plead not guilty by reason of insanity and not guilty by reason of self-defense together; in other words, if you plead to one, you must also plead to the other.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

@KarenK

And then you have RG searching the internet for info on MHG’s kids…no?

The judge said there was no evidence of that.

I beg to differ.

The judge said there was no evidence that MB was aware of it before the shooting. That is an entirely different thing.

[iridedressage]

So I’m going way out on a limb here - but I’m wondering (and maybe giving too much credit to him) if that is why RG referred to the house as “our property”. Maybe trying to insure the Castle doctrine couldn’t be used…which would point to MB using the gun in self defense with no duty to retreat?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

@Mondo

So, I’m sure this has been asked and answered in the previous mammoth thread, but Taylor’s reason for excluding the zillions of texts and SM posts is that it is “hearsay,” right? But is it? Is it putting the victim on trial? I think it speaks 100% to the defendant’s state of mind and what drove him to the extremes he took.

Amen!

This seems like a key area where they might find grounds for an appeal down the road, if MB is found guilty.

[Jealoushe]

Should I drop a link lol

[Jealoushe]

And then they use the evidence to narrow it down in closing?

[hut-ho78]

@Davignport

I definately feel the judge was prejudiced from the start. Not allowing the SM posts, which shows even more of just what LK and RG were doing to MB, is inexcusable. A large part of evidence was never allowed and the jury had no opportunity to fully understand the depths of what LK and RG were willing to go to to destroy MB. Tayor’s overall demeanor during the whole trial was so one sided. I would not think this is now honorable judges should behave.

He was just keeping the defense lawyer and prosecutor to follow the rules of the court. The defense lawyer pushed it.

[Sdel]

@jaj

It is required in New Jersey to plead not guilty by reason of insanity and not guilty by reason of self-defense together; in other words, if you plead to one, you must also plead to the other.

I got the impression that you didn’t have to plead them together (or even at all), but if you wanted to plead both of them you had to do it together. The previous process was to plead one, and if you got a guilty verdict to then go back and retry the other to see if you got a different outcome.

[DownYonder]

@MorganSercu

Those two (possibly three or more) live to pull the wings off of butterflies.

One of the most apt descriptions of them I have ever read.

[MHM]

@Mondo

Is it possible that a different judge would have allowed some of that into evidence? I don’t think Taylor is biased against MB, I think he hates Bilinkis and wants to stick it to him.

There was definitely a day early on in the first week when the judge admonished the defense attorney for something with no prompting, and then turned around and let the prosecutor do the exact same thing just a minute or two later.

The defense attorney objected, and the judge sustained that objection, so obviously the prosecutor was in the wrong. But the judge did nothing about it until the defense attorney brought it up.

To me, that seemed to set the tone for the whole trial.

[Jealoushe]

I think it depends whose witness is up also though, in regards to the way the judge acts.

[3PonyFarm]

I am glad to hear that MB has someone in his life beyond family and friends to help him through this time and whatever he faces in the future.

Again, like others here, I hope he can get mental health care regardless of the outcome of the trial.

[eggbutt]

And daddy likes to watch.